Poll - can you root for the Griz

[tailbone]

Sorry man, but I don't buy it. If this was so beneficial to the conference, then we'd have other teams outside of the griz over the years going just as deep in the playoffs year in and year out.

Afraid not, what it will do is promote the perception that the BSC is a strong conference and thereby improve the chances of teams not named Montana to join the play-off party.

The truth of the matter is the last comment made by the AGS poster above is probably something that all griz fans agree with.

I'm a Griz fan, I don't agree with it. Please don't "put words in my mouth".

Besides, the poster above is probably some whiny poster from Northern Iowa or some other directional school.

Read the post again, it says VARIOUS AGS POSTERS, that means more than one, and that perception appears to be somewhat widespread.

A win for a BSC school only benefits one school in the BSC.....the one that wins.

Nope. It benefits every school that plays them by raising strength of schedule, etc. MSU is in the play-offs due less to the fact of their OOC record (which, as it turns out was dismal) and more for the fact that it won most games against a "middle of the pack" conference (GPI) and a close loss to the #2 team in the CFS. If all that was required was beating conference mates, regardless of how weak, USD would have your spot in the postseason.

An effective means of improving one's chances at winning in the playoffs (of course, playing well during the season is stating the obvious) is offering the highest bid. In this long playoff run by the griz, have they ever started off on the road for a 1st round playoff game?

Irrelevant, and illuminating. It appears that your animosity toward the UM trumps your consideration for MSU.

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

Afraid not, what it will do is promote the perception that the BSC is a strong conference and thereby improve the chances of teams not named Montana to join the play-off party.

Ok, what has the history of the last 20 years shown you? Care to comment on how the BSC has been regarded? Other than the occasional trip by MSU, PSU, NAU, or EWU, the griz are about the only ones who have consistently been in, regardless of how much the BSC beats the hell out of each other every year. Shoots your theory out of the water.

I'm a Griz fan, I don't agree with it. Please don't "put words in my mouth".

Well I still will. Maybe I was wrong with you, but I'd put plenty of betting down to indicate that my assertion is still right for the most part. It's easy to say such things when you're a fan of the team that has been the dominating factor in the BSC over the past decade plus.

Read the post again, it says VARIOUS AGS POSTERS, that means more than one, and that perception appears to be somewhat widespread.

As I said, I insinuated it was likely a directional school poster. Show me how I'm completely wrong. No condescension need be required in your response, mmmkay?

Nope. It benefits every school that plays them by raising strength of schedule, etc. MSU is in the play-offs due less to the fact of their OOC record (which, as it turns out was dismal) and more for the fact that it won most games against a "middle of the pack" conference (GPI) and a close loss to the #2 team in the CFS. If all that was required was beating conference mates, regardless of how weak, USD would have your spot in the postseason.

Maybe so, but as I said, a win for the most part benefits one school only and that's the one that wins. Finally some factors came about that helped MSU this year. However, you're severely amiss to think that Big Sky teams have been frequently privy to this benefit over this period of time that the griz have had success.

Irrelevant, and illuminating. It appears that your animosity toward the UM trumps your consideration for MSU.

Animosity? Reread the damn point I made and tell me how I'm wrong. I hate the griz with a passion but my point isn't off by any means regardless of my animosity. Way to deflect from WHAT I said.

[tailbone]

RPI, GPI, SOS, you pick the acronym.
It is the tool by which a team's performance is measured.
In the absence of head-to-head competition there is no other credible yardstick.

I'll make it simple for you.

Since play-off consideration is directly influenced by GPI, it is to a teams benefit to do two things, win games and play against high GPI competition
If you play, and win against, teams with a strong GPI, it is reflected in your own GPI.
Since most games are within conference, you benefit from a strong conference GPI - which comes at the expense of OOC competition (meaning wins against OOC competition by conference mates).

As I said, despite your feeble attempts at refutation, what's good for the conference, is good for you.

Your inveterate disdain for all things Griz is clouding your judgement.
But, I suppose that should be expected by one so juvenile as to present the 1-finger salute every time he drives through Missoula.

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

RPI, GPI, SOS, you pick the acronym.
It is the tool by which a team's performance is measured.
In the absence of head-to-head competition there is no other credible yardstick.

I'll make it simple for you.

Since play-off consideration is directly influenced by GPI, it is to a teams benefit to do two things, win games and play against high GPI competition
If you play, and win against, teams with a strong GPI, it is reflected in your own GPI.
Since most games are within conference, you benefit from a strong conference GPI - which comes at the expense of OOC competition (meaning wins against OOC competition by conference mates).

As I said, despite your feeble attempts at refutation, what's good for the conference, is good for you.

Your inveterate disdain for all things Griz is clouding your judgement.
But, I suppose that should be expected by one so juvenile as to present the 1-finger salute every time he drives through Missoula.

Show me where all of these acronyms have been beneficial to anyone but the griz over the past decade plus. Can you do that?

You refuted nothing except what has proven valuable only to those who cheer for the griz. All of those griz wins in the playoffs have been so beneficial to PSU, MSU, NAU, etc haven't they?

My judGMent has never been clouded. It's quite clear thank you. I hate the griz and with condescending pri*ks like yourself, you only add to that feeling. But since you're such a know it all about these one-fingered salutes, I'll keep it real simple for you. It's always been reserved for griz fans like you. You can't truly hate a football team that plays well year in and year out. However, it's easy to find that inveterate disdain (nice choice of words, by the way) for the fans that invite such a gesture.

Again, all I ask is some proof how those aforementioned acronyms have been so beneficial to the rest of the conference. Of course, I realize that this is all a moot point if winning is consistently done.

I just like arguing with know it alls like you. Is that vein still bulging out of your head with each post you make?

Since you're one to bring up things from the past, could you honor us Cat fans again with another post where you highlight all of us as characters in a Shakespeare play again?

[GrizzlyEdd]

I haven't been on here for awhile but am soooooo proud of both Montana teams. This is the greatest. The Griz and the Cats should meet each year for the BSC championship and get into the playoffs.... Hell, since we are in different brackets, lets meet again in Chatty... Why not play for the NC also.

Congrats to the Cats for having one helluva second half when all thought you were out of it early on. Shows what kind of guts the Cat players have.

This Griz fan will definitely be rooting for the Cats on Saturday.... the Cats and Griz need to show how "real man" football is played in the north country.... Go Griz/Go cats....

[catbooster]

Tailbone - I generally agree with you. I think that if the Big Sky was ranked much lower this year, the Bobcats would not have been selected for the playoffs considering the choices for an at-large 7-4 or weak conference with a better record. If our conference is considered a one team conference, which it has been to some extent, it does not help the rest of us.

However, I think that the griz doing well is a double edged sword for the rest of us in the conference who are trying to gain ground on them. A win for the griz does indirectly help the entire conference, but the direct benefit for the griz is greater than the benefit for other teams in the league. It also does nothing to get rid of the perception that the Big Sky is a one team league.

In terms of recruiting, fan interest, etc. there is a far greater benefit for the team that does well, and relatively little benefit for the other team in the conference - particularly for us, since we go head to head to a large degree for many of the same recruits, fans, etc. In your shoes, as the (arguably) dominant team (in recent history), it is much easier to make (and accept) the argument you have. For the rest of the conference, which I believe is closing the gap, it is a little harder.

Throw in some of the attitude from a segment of the griz fans, and it is hard to convince people that rooting for the griz is a good idea.