MSU Backs out of the Game with NDSU to play a DII
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MSU Backs out of the Game with NDSU to play a DII
Well the news is now MSU has signed the deal with Texas A&M and originally was understood if that happened you wouldn't be playing us. Now the word is that date was not the date you were scheduled to come to Fargo and you guys instead have scheduled a DII team to come to your house and play rather then honoring your contract with NDSU for the game here in Fargo next year. If all this comes to pass I can honestly say I have lost all respect for both Montana schools. I know the fans on both sides wanted to see this game. The Texas deal is understandable had that been the reason but this news is just ******. If your schools AD is that ****** that he won't honor a contract then I hope your AD enjoys scheduling DII's because the word will get around that you don't honor your contracts. I used to laugh about the Griz whining about ot playing teams away and that they always wanted home games outside of the conference except in the case of big money games. Well I guess your AD took their lead and is turning the BSC into the Bull ****** Conference. Sorry to all the good fans out there for this rant but your AD is an ASS.
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Here's the link to NDSU's message board on this topic, for any who care to see what your AD is doing for your schools reputation.
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This is definitely unfortunate, and was probably brought on in large part by the addition of UNC to the conference...Before the addition of UNC, MSU would have been scheduled for 4 home conference games and 3 road conference games in '07. When UNC was added, that bumped it up to 4 road conference games and only 3 non-conference games. Since our administration seems committed to having 6 home games a year, and also to playing a I-A game every year, the NDSU trip had to be removed from the schedule. I'm sure this is frustrating both to NDSU fans and to the MSU fans who, quite frankly, would love to have NDSU and SDSU as Big Sky members right now.
The thing that concerns me about this is as long as this policy is continued, MSU will not be playing any non-conference road games against I-AA opponents unless a 12th game is added to the schedule. In the long run, I don't think this is a good thing at all. Hopefully, we can get to the point where we don't have to play the I-A game every year. My preference would be for MSU to be playing all I-AA opponents with no I-A's or D-II's, but that's not going to happen any time soon!
The thing that concerns me about this is as long as this policy is continued, MSU will not be playing any non-conference road games against I-AA opponents unless a 12th game is added to the schedule. In the long run, I don't think this is a good thing at all. Hopefully, we can get to the point where we don't have to play the I-A game every year. My preference would be for MSU to be playing all I-AA opponents with no I-A's or D-II's, but that's not going to happen any time soon!
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What is NDSU's facination with playing MT schools. The game didn't work our for the cats in the end, A&M will provide a geat game, in a big time atmosphere, and will bring in some good coin for MSU. Sure it isn't ideal to have to back out of anything, but a school's got to do what is best for them. I think getting a DII school instead of NDSU is a bad move, but you'll have to realize NDSU isn't the end all be all of the scheduling thoughts of MSU.
Calling MSU, or UM for that matter, chicken is assinine and laughable, and any intelligent fan knows that isn't the case. Are NDSU fans ego's so bloated that they think MSU is scared of NDSU while they travel to Texas A&M?
All NDSU has to do is find another game. And realize that fitting in a game with the Dakota schools isn't the most important thing for MSU/UM, or to a lot of our fans. Seems getting a MT school on your schedule is your super bowl the way you whine about not getting to play.
Calling MSU, or UM for that matter, chicken is assinine and laughable, and any intelligent fan knows that isn't the case. Are NDSU fans ego's so bloated that they think MSU is scared of NDSU while they travel to Texas A&M?
All NDSU has to do is find another game. And realize that fitting in a game with the Dakota schools isn't the most important thing for MSU/UM, or to a lot of our fans. Seems getting a MT school on your schedule is your super bowl the way you whine about not getting to play.
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What about honor and integrity? What good is a contract if you don't intend to honor it? It's being debated in some circles that your AD never intended to honor the contract. If you want teams to come to your house to play a game you need to return the favor. Schools are going to start to require you to make the trip to their house first or otherwise have a huge buyout. Otherwise you will find it hard to get quality opponents to come to Montana to play games. Scheduling a DII in our place when he already has a contract with us to play in Fargo after we made the trip out their? Thats just Bull$hit. As fans you should demand more of your ad then to give your University a black eye like this.
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I highly, highly, highly doubt that the contract was never intended to be honored. The home and home arrangement would have been agreed upon BEFORE Northern Colorado was admitted to the conference. When this happened, it removed one non-conference game per year from every BSC team's schedule. This is why the NDSU game is being dropped, not because MSU is scared to go play there or because there was never any intention of playing that game. At least get your facts straight before accusing MSU of not ever intending to play that game.
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That game is fine but that game isn't the reason they cancelled. The date for the A&M game is not the date the Cats were scheduled to come to Fargo. I never said your teams were afraid to come to Fargo. Its so easy for you when your in a conference to say just schedule another game, in reality it doesn't work that easily as most schools have their schedules for conference games set so their OOC games are limited and when you have a contract and have held up your end of the deal its expected the other party fulfills their end. I would think you would take it as a compliment that we want to play you instead you make ridiculous comments and insult a team who's done nothing to deserve it. The fans of both schools deserve better. Like I said earlier, have fun with the DII cupcake your scheduling. Just remember fans and AD's don't forget and are all paying attention to who honors their contracts. After this year I would have thought your AD had learned his lesson about scheduling DII's anyway. Why not play a good DIAA team and take your chances, at least you'll earn people respect.JahGriz wrote:What is NDSU's facination with playing MT schools. The game didn't work our for the cats in the end, A&M will provide a geat game, in a big time atmosphere, and will bring in some good coin for MSU. Sure it isn't ideal to have to back out of anything, but a school's got to do what is best for them. I think getting a DII school instead of NDSU is a bad move, but you'll have to realize NDSU isn't the end all be all of the scheduling thoughts of MSU.
Calling MSU, or UM for that matter, chicken is assinine and laughable, and any intelligent fan knows that isn't the case. Are NDSU fans ego's so bloated that they think MSU is scared of NDSU while they travel to Texas A&M?
All NDSU has to do is find another game. And realize that fitting in a game with the Dakota schools isn't the most important thing for MSU/UM, or to a lot of our fans. Seems getting a MT school on your schedule is your super bowl the way you whine about not getting to play.
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Please show me in any of my post where I said you were scared to come to Fargo? One of your other posters said that not me. So you need to get your facts straight not me. As far as the UNC excuse it doesn't fly. The date your scheduling A&M was not the date you were scheduled to come to Fargo. That date you were scheduled to come to Fargo is being replaced with a DII. You can make all the excuses you want but its still wrong. Your opinion that it was never intended to be honored is just that an opinion. I stated it was being discussed in many circles your AD never intended to honor the contract. I never said it myslef as a matter of fact just that its being discussed in many circles "that is a fact"MSU01 wrote:I highly, highly, highly doubt that the contract was never intended to be honored. The home and home arrangement would have been agreed upon BEFORE Northern Colorado was admitted to the conference. When this happened, it removed one non-conference game per year from every BSC team's schedule. This is why the NDSU game is being dropped, not because MSU is scared to go play there or because there was never any intention of playing that game. At least get your facts straight before accusing MSU of not ever intending to play that game.
So please don't try to put words in my mouth. You can defend your AD all you want but you know as well as I its a hollow arguement on your part. Your AD isn't honoring his end of the deal. That my friend is BS and you know it.
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You know what if we didn't have only 4 home games scheduled it wouldn't be a big deal, the reason I am pissed about this and many other Bison fans are pissed is because now we have 3 home games and will get to have 5 if we are lucky. I wish it was just as easy as finding another a game but it's not so easy when your looking for 3 games and suddenly need to find another one and it hurts even more that the game we lost was a sellout. About the only good thing was MSU paying us a 100k so we can go find an SUU type of team and pay them to come to Fargo.JahGriz wrote:What is NDSU's facination with playing MT schools. The game didn't work our for the cats in the end, A&M will provide a geat game, in a big time atmosphere, and will bring in some good coin for MSU. Sure it isn't ideal to have to back out of anything, but a school's got to do what is best for them. I think getting a DII school instead of NDSU is a bad move, but you'll have to realize NDSU isn't the end all be all of the scheduling thoughts of MSU.
Calling MSU, or UM for that matter, chicken is assinine and laughable, and any intelligent fan knows that isn't the case. Are NDSU fans ego's so bloated that they think MSU is scared of NDSU while they travel to Texas A&M?
All NDSU has to do is find another game. And realize that fitting in a game with the Dakota schools isn't the most important thing for MSU/UM, or to a lot of our fans. Seems getting a MT school on your schedule is your super bowl the way you whine about not getting to play.
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your an angry elf... find someone else to play yeesh! Your excitement to play us is flattering and If our AD backed out of a contract thats lame and i understand but, schools back out of games like thiss all the time seriously, your really mad about something thats just not a big deal especially since it gives us another HOME GAME to go to how could we say no to giving ourselves an advantage especially since we have alwasy been one win from playoffs in the last few years.... dont worry we'll probobly lose to the DIV II team (it'll be a great new pattern
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Everyone has been down this path over and over. But the easy story is
MSU wants to have more home games than away in an 11 game season (I think everyone understands that).
Then with 8 conference games (4 home and 4 away) that leaves 3 other games that can be scheduled.
So with 3 games, and wanting to have more at home, that means two at home and only one away.
Since MSU wants to balance the budget (good thing), they go for a money game for the away game where they are paid large amounts to go play someone else there. Unless NDSU wants to pay $400,000 to have the bobcats go there, that is just not going to happen. Texas A&M is. So is Minnisota the next year.
So we have two home games. If NDSU wants to come to one of those (without a return date there) it might happen.
Instead of that, MSU will pay a couple of teams to come here and MSU will come out ahead with large crowds (13,000+ or more after enlarging the stadium).
It has nothing to do with not wanting to play NDSU, it is simply money.
And don't talk about MSU should do this or that. If there was no contract, it was just maybes. Now with the schedule limited to 11 games and 8 being conference games, there is no magic to what is happening.
Just follow the money!!! Clear and simple.
NDSU (and SDSU) have a different story, they have only 5 league games. Thus they have 6 games to fill (3 or 4 at home and 2 or 3 away). So it's easy for them to want to play MSU which is close. With the BSC teams all being in the same boat (8 conference games), all the west teams just don't want to play them there in Dakota. It just doesn't make sense to them. So NDSU has to look East and South East for games (outside their conference) unless they want away games only west.
That is the same reason Cal Poly and Cal Davis will not get home games against MSU or UM from now on.
When NDSU is playing two Div I teams for big money, they could probably throw $350,000 to MSU to come over there and play and MSU might go.
MSU wants to have more home games than away in an 11 game season (I think everyone understands that).
Then with 8 conference games (4 home and 4 away) that leaves 3 other games that can be scheduled.
So with 3 games, and wanting to have more at home, that means two at home and only one away.
Since MSU wants to balance the budget (good thing), they go for a money game for the away game where they are paid large amounts to go play someone else there. Unless NDSU wants to pay $400,000 to have the bobcats go there, that is just not going to happen. Texas A&M is. So is Minnisota the next year.
So we have two home games. If NDSU wants to come to one of those (without a return date there) it might happen.
Instead of that, MSU will pay a couple of teams to come here and MSU will come out ahead with large crowds (13,000+ or more after enlarging the stadium).
It has nothing to do with not wanting to play NDSU, it is simply money.
And don't talk about MSU should do this or that. If there was no contract, it was just maybes. Now with the schedule limited to 11 games and 8 being conference games, there is no magic to what is happening.
Just follow the money!!! Clear and simple.
NDSU (and SDSU) have a different story, they have only 5 league games. Thus they have 6 games to fill (3 or 4 at home and 2 or 3 away). So it's easy for them to want to play MSU which is close. With the BSC teams all being in the same boat (8 conference games), all the west teams just don't want to play them there in Dakota. It just doesn't make sense to them. So NDSU has to look East and South East for games (outside their conference) unless they want away games only west.
That is the same reason Cal Poly and Cal Davis will not get home games against MSU or UM from now on.
When NDSU is playing two Div I teams for big money, they could probably throw $350,000 to MSU to come over there and play and MSU might go.
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I wish very much we could play NDSU every year. When NDSU gets in the Gateway, which they will in a year or two, the playoffs will be the only place we'll ever meet.
We must have had NDSU tenatively on the schedule. When Texas A&M came-a-calling we needed to free up another date for a home game (I'm guessing we don't have a lot of leverage with Texas A&M in telling them what date to schedule us). The only date that we could free up I presume was the NDSU date. If a contract was signed with NDSU, I'm guessing there was some sort of buyout clause. These things happen.
We need a 12th game or there is no possibility of a home and home with another 1-AA school with an 8 team Big Sky Conference (if we insist on having at least 6 home games).
We must have had NDSU tenatively on the schedule. When Texas A&M came-a-calling we needed to free up another date for a home game (I'm guessing we don't have a lot of leverage with Texas A&M in telling them what date to schedule us). The only date that we could free up I presume was the NDSU date. If a contract was signed with NDSU, I'm guessing there was some sort of buyout clause. These things happen.
We need a 12th game or there is no possibility of a home and home with another 1-AA school with an 8 team Big Sky Conference (if we insist on having at least 6 home games).
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According to our AD you guys dropped NDSU for a DII home game, he said he was trying everything he can to make the game happen but it looks very unlikely at the moment. If the game can't be rescheduled MSU will pay NDSU 100k to buyout the contract.BelgradeBobcat wrote:I wish very much we could play NDSU every year. When NDSU gets in the Gateway, which they will in a year or two, the playoffs will be the only place we'll ever meet.
We must have had NDSU tenatively on the schedule. When Texas A&M came-a-calling we needed to free up another date for a home game (I'm guessing we don't have a lot of leverage with Texas A&M in telling them what date to schedule us). The only date that we could free up I presume was the NDSU date. If a contract was signed with NDSU, I'm guessing there was some sort of buyout clause. These things happen.
We need a 12th game or there is no possibility of a home and home with another 1-AA school with an 8 team Big Sky Conference (if we insist on having at least 6 home games).
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NDSU was obviously tentatively on the schedule, but my guess is that it was a tentative commitment prior to UNC joining the conference. As has been hashed (and re-hashed), the addition of UNC leaves only one OOC road game each year and the 'Cats are going to play the money game- hard to pass up $450,000 vs a road trip to NDSU. Too bad it's that way, but it is what it is.BelgradeBobcat wrote:I wish very much we could play NDSU every year. When NDSU gets in the Gateway, which they will in a year or two, the playoffs will be the only place we'll ever meet.
We must have had NDSU tenatively on the schedule. When Texas A&M came-a-calling we needed to free up another date for a home game (I'm guessing we don't have a lot of leverage with Texas A&M in telling them what date to schedule us). The only date that we could free up I presume was the NDSU date. If a contract was signed with NDSU, I'm guessing there was some sort of buyout clause. These things happen.
We need a 12th game or there is no possibility of a home and home with another 1-AA school with an 8 team Big Sky Conference (if we insist on having at least 6 home games).
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But we wouldn't have dropped NDSU for a DII if the Texas A&M game didn't come about-the two events are related. $100K is really steep-but we're still making more on the Texas A&M game ($400K+) than we did on the Colorado game this season.NDSUbison wrote:According to our AD you guys dropped NDSU for a DII home game, he said he was trying everything he can to make the game happen but it looks very unlikely at the moment. If the game can't be rescheduled MSU will pay NDSU 100k to buyout the contract.BelgradeBobcat wrote:I wish very much we could play NDSU every year. When NDSU gets in the Gateway, which they will in a year or two, the playoffs will be the only place we'll ever meet.
We must have had NDSU tenatively on the schedule. When Texas A&M came-a-calling we needed to free up another date for a home game (I'm guessing we don't have a lot of leverage with Texas A&M in telling them what date to schedule us). The only date that we could free up I presume was the NDSU date. If a contract was signed with NDSU, I'm guessing there was some sort of buyout clause. These things happen.
We need a 12th game or there is no possibility of a home and home with another 1-AA school with an 8 team Big Sky Conference (if we insist on having at least 6 home games).
When NDSU was a D-II powerhouse did you ever travel for non-conference games? I seem to recall a lot of seasons where you guys had 7 home games and your only road games were in the NCC.
When you're in the Gateway you're AD is going to have the same quandary as MSU. The 1-A money game is almost a necessity these days, and you'll probably renew your rivalry with UND. Will your coach and fans settle for five home games on alternate years then? You may have to, but you won't like it.
P.S. I personally would rather us travel to Fargo than schedule a D-II at home-I've spend some time in the Fargo-Moorhead area and have some friends there. A Bobcat-Bison game would be awesome for me. But I'm sure our coach and AD see road games to NDSU and Texas A&M in the same season as somewhat suicidal.
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Well yeah, but still, you shouldn't bring logic into this conversation. If it was more beneficial for us to play NDSU, we would, and if it wasn't we wouldn't.BelgradeBobcat wrote:
P.S. I personally would rather us travel to Fargo than schedule a D-II at home-I've spend some time in the Fargo-Moorhead area and have some friends there. A Bobcat-Bison game would be awesome for me. But I'm sure our coach and AD see road games to NDSU and Texas A&M in the same season as somewhat suicidal.
NDSU fans on this board can go play in traffic and chew on rocks, and think about it in MSU's point of view.
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In reality Montana State is probably doing the same thing that NDSU would do. I hate to break this to you, but it is about money.............and money usually means success.
I don't blame MSU for doing this..........although I would have loved that the game had been played. It was the one I was going to go back to Fargo and watch next year......
I don't blame MSU for doing this..........although I would have loved that the game had been played. It was the one I was going to go back to Fargo and watch next year......

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When a contact has a buy out clause and clause is exercised, the contact is being honored.BisonBacker wrote:What about honor and integrity? What good is a contract if you don't intend to honor it? Thats just Bull$hit. As fans you should demand more of your ad then to give your University a black eye like this.
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