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El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:11 am

Just a quick question, street; if the facemask took place at/near the line of scrimmage, why did the flag fly into the screen AFTER the ball was intercepted? If that was the infraction, it sure took the ref a LONG time to toss his hanky...

I'm not disputing what you're saying; as I stated, I didn't SEE the infraction; it just didn't make much sense to me.

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:12 am

STREETCAT wrote:
El_Gato wrote:My 2 cents worth: How about the run by Groves 2 plays before the Jefferson TD???

Groves has the ball on his chest, with his shoulders & head in the end zone, and the idiot side judge comes running in, saying he was down at the 1 inch line? On TV it appeared he clearly broke the plane with the ball and all the Cats were celebrating & signalling a TD. Get that one right, it's 20-3, game over, and the Jefferson play never happens.

Or what about the mystery PF facemask on UNC's next 4th down? You couldn't see it on TV but I've NEVER heard of a DB facemasking a receiver WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE BALL NOR EVEN A PLAY ON THE BALL! I have to believe that facemask happened AFTER we had possession of the ball. As I said, you couldn't see the "infraction" on TV, was that one a bad call too?

Add in the 4th down GIFT that the refs gave the Griz in their game and the zebras damned-near singlehandedly handed them the outright conference championship in about a 5 minute span!

I beg to differ on the facemask call. I have it on dvr and you can clearly see Beach trying to jam the guy at the line. And as the reciever runs buy he grabs the facemask and almost pulls the guy to the ground.

But it was called on Henderson!

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:13 am

El_Gato wrote:Just a quick question, street; if the facemask took place at/near the line of scrimmage, why did the flag fly into the screen AFTER the ball was intercepted? If that was the infraction, it sure took the ref a LONG time to toss his hanky...

I'm not disputing what you're saying; as I stated, I didn't SEE the infraction; it just didn't make much sense to me.

I was just thinking the same thing. That was the main reason I thought the flag was for pass interference. The flag flew in so late in the play that I it gave every indication that it was for PI or something like that.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:33 am

bcats wrote:Yeah, once he has it and has a foot down in the endzone the play is over. If it happens somewhere else on the field then I can see a possible interception but not in the endzone. It is similar when a player dives and gets the ball over the line and then fumbles. It is a TD once it crosses and everything after is dead. Plus the official that calls the INT is totally out of position and the one who has the best view call it a TD. Big Sky Officials have to be among the worst in the country.

You said it. Once the ball/possesion has occurred past the goal line the play is over. Pretty easy concept eh? Keep in mind the DB didn't even have the ball until they were down on the ground/rolling through then the CB has the ball. Also, I agree on the Groves call as well. His back was going over that guy and ball CLEARLY breaks the plane of the goal line and no TD call. Give me a break. This crew was out to get us I had a feeling the whole game.

STREETCAT · Post by **STREETCAT** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:59 pm

El_Gato wrote:Just a quick question, street; if the facemask took place at/near the line of scrimmage, why did the flag fly into the screen AFTER the ball was intercepted? If that was the infraction, it sure took the ref a LONG time to toss his hanky...

I'm not disputing what you're saying; as I stated, I didn't SEE the infraction; it just didn't make much sense to me.

You can see that the flag is thrown late as hell, but the back judge moves the flag up to where the infration occured. It was definatly 24 of the foul. I believe it was a good call he praticly throws the reciever down on the play by the facemask. I will see if I can get it uploaded to my computer tonight

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:11 pm

STREETCAT wrote:
El_Gato wrote:Just a quick question, street; if the facemask took place at/near the line of scrimmage, why did the flag fly into the screen AFTER the ball was intercepted? If that was the infraction, it sure took the ref a LONG time to toss his hanky...

I'm not disputing what you're saying; as I stated, I didn't SEE the infraction; it just didn't make much sense to me.
You can see that the flag is thrown late as hell, but the back judge moves the flag up to where the infration occured. It was definatly 24 of the foul. I believe it was a good call he praticly throws the reciever down on the play by the facemask. I will see if I can get it uploaded to my computer tonight

Is that possible to do? I would love to be able to do this with my DVR.

BTW, are you on Bresnan's DVR? Ours hasn't worked for about three weeks due to some programming issue with the manufacturer of the box; pissin' me off as I can't get my Desparate Housewives recorded on Sunday nights

STREETCAT · Post by **STREETCAT** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:19 pm

barechestcat wrote:
STREETCAT wrote:
El_Gato wrote:Just a quick question, street; if the facemask took place at/near the line of scrimmage, why did the flag fly into the screen AFTER the ball was intercepted? If that was the infraction, it sure took the ref a LONG time to toss his hanky...

I'm not disputing what you're saying; as I stated, I didn't SEE the infraction; it just didn't make much sense to me.

Is that possible to do? I would love to be able to do this with my DVR.

BTW, are you on Bresnan's DVR? Ours hasn't worked for about three weeks due to some programming issue with the manufacturer of the box; pissin' me off as I can't get my Desparate Housewives recorded on Sunday nights
You can see that the flag is thrown late as hell, but the back judge moves the flag up to where the infration occured. It was definatly 24 of the foul. I believe it was a good call he praticly throws the reciever down on the play by the facemask. I will see if I can get it uploaded to my computer tonight

I had that same ****** happen this summer. You gotta give em a call there was somthing faulty with the box.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:21 pm

barechestcat wrote:
STREETCAT wrote:
El_Gato wrote:Just a quick question, street; if the facemask took place at/near the line of scrimmage, why did the flag fly into the screen AFTER the ball was intercepted? If that was the infraction, it sure took the ref a LONG time to toss his hanky...

I'm not disputing what you're saying; as I stated, I didn't SEE the infraction; it just didn't make much sense to me.
You can see that the flag is thrown late as hell, but the back judge moves the flag up to where the infration occured. It was definatly 24 of the foul. I believe it was a good call he praticly throws the reciever down on the play by the facemask. I will see if I can get it uploaded to my computer tonight

Is that possible to do? I would love to be able to do this with my DVR.

BTW, are you on Bresnan's DVR? Ours hasn't worked for about three weeks due to some programming issue with the manufacturer of the box; pissin' me off as I can't get my Desparate Housewives recorded on Sunday nights

Jason - now is when the huge beer can falls from the sky and crushes you!!!

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:32 pm

P.S - Nice spot in the Griz game on that too to give the Griz a first down (on 4th down). Nothing like home cookin

94VegasCat · Post by **94VegasCat** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:10 pm

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:P.S - Nice spot in the Griz game on that too to give the Griz a first down (on 4th down). Nothing like home cookin

does anyone have the video of that ???

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:48 pm

94VegasCat wrote:
CARDIAC_CATS wrote:P.S - Nice spot in the Griz game on that too to give the Griz a first down (on 4th down). Nothing like home cookin

does anyone have the video of that ???

Go to KPAX.com and you can watch the whole game.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:13 am

Bump - anyone know if any of the refs got reprimanded, or suspended for a game? I know they review all the game tapes... they must do it for a reason.

Post by **rtb** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:16 am

catatac wrote:Bump - anyone know if any of the refs got reprimanded, or suspended for a game? I know they review all the game tapes... they must do it for a reason.

Do they actually make that information public? For some reason I thought the BSC kept information on the refs suspensions, etc private.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:25 am

rtb wrote:
catatac wrote:Bump - anyone know if any of the refs got reprimanded, or suspended for a game? I know they review all the game tapes... they must do it for a reason.
Do they actually make that information public? For some reason I thought the BSC kept information on the refs suspensions, etc private.

Could be - I'm not sure. I know other conferences suspend officials after major screw-ups, and it is public info.

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:36 am

catatac wrote:
barechestcat wrote:
STREETCAT wrote:
El_Gato wrote:Just a quick question, street; if the facemask took place at/near the line of scrimmage, why did the flag fly into the screen AFTER the ball was intercepted? If that was the infraction, it sure took the ref a LONG time to toss his hanky...

I'm not disputing what you're saying; as I stated, I didn't SEE the infraction; it just didn't make much sense to me.
You can see that the flag is thrown late as hell, but the back judge moves the flag up to where the infration occured. It was definatly 24 of the foul. I believe it was a good call he praticly throws the reciever down on the play by the facemask. I will see if I can get it uploaded to my computer tonight

Is that possible to do? I would love to be able to do this with my DVR.

BTW, are you on Bresnan's DVR? Ours hasn't worked for about three weeks due to some programming issue with the manufacturer of the box; pissin' me off as I can't get my Desparate Housewives recorded on Sunday nights
Jason - now is when the huge beer can falls from the sky and crushes you!!!

I'd like to comment on this topic further, but it's hard to reach my computer from under this massive beer can on top of me.

Belgrade Big Dog · Post by **Belgrade Big Dog** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:01 am

Yes, they can be suspended. Cannot remember if it was 3 years ago or 5 years ago, against ISU. ISU caused a fumble. Not sure about all the details, but I believe an inadvertant flag was thrown. An ISU player picked up the fumble and began to run it back for a TD. The ref blew the whistle, and stopped the runback at about the 50. It should have been a TD for ISU. But ISU got the ball where the whistle was blown, the CATS stopped them, and changed the tempo of the game. An ISU player was kicked out of the game, and CATS won. It was maybe even more pathetic than Saturday's call. That paticular crew was suspended and it made the press. The same crew made another horrible call later that season at another BS game. Hopefully this situation will make the press too. They should be held accountable.

083190 · Post by **083190** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:13 am

The ISU player that picked the ball up was Jared Allen , currently of the Kansas City Chiefs. He also received a personal foul penalty after being pancaked by the left tackle in that game.