Moving up

[John K]

I'll see you SHSU and raise you JMU, who is 5-0 and doing so well that the AG of the State of Virginia is putting pressure on the NCAA to let them be bowl eligible (they aren't due to the 2 year ban after moving up). They also received 3 votes in the top 25.

I mean if you think we are closer to SHSU than we are to JMU...

So true. Hen picking teams that had zero following or fan support before they went FBS. Had really no business going FBS. Ignoring App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, JMU, Boise State. These are the guys that show up at the YMCA to flex on 6th graders in a pickup BBall game.

Didn't you already use that one?

What have App State and Georgia Southern done since their move? Talk about cherry picking. Boise State moved 30 years ago. Let's look at Nevada, Idaho, Marshall...

Yes because people keep pointing to teams that had little support prior to moving up. Idaho has a top 5 FCS team and still can’t sell out that Quonset. Nevada was a mediocre BSC team when they moved up. Schools that have support and success tend to repeat it at the next level. App St has made a bowl game damn near every year since moving up and upset Texas A&M in front of a national audience last season. Same for Marshall.
And seriously stop crapping on bowl games. They have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher viewership and payout than FCS playoffs. There is a reason they exist and have more respect than FCS playoffs. There’s a reason why HBCUs do the bowl thing instead of playoffs. MSU would get SIGNIFICANTLY more exposure and more $$. Wyoming is about to be nationally ranked and I think the Cats could beat them.

In its 14 years in Division I-AA, Nevada made the playoffs seven times, and went undefeated during the regular season three times (1978, 1986, 1991), compiling an overall record of 122–47–1 (.721). Nevada had a record of 9–7 in the I-AA playoffs during their time in the Big Sky and in 13 years of membership, the Wolf Pack won four conference titles (1983, 1986, 1990, 1991). Nevada made the National Championship game in 1990 and the quarterfinals in 1991. Nevada moved up in 1992.

So they never won a national title and only went past the qtrs once. Is that your point? Try harder.

You wrote that they were mediocre. Is that true though? .721 winning percentage. Try harder.

Nevada had 4 conference titles in 92. MSU had 8. Mid. Try harder.

MSU had been in the BSC for 29 years through 1992, UNR was only in the BSC for 13 years. 4 for 13 = .308, 8 for 29 = .276. You might want to brush up on your math skills. Five of MSU's BSC titles came before UNR even joined the league. MSU won only three BSC titles, and had a .364 winning percentage during the 13 years that UNR was in the conference.

You need to dig a little deeper regarding the bowl games too. Most schools lose money, in some cases a lot of money, playing in the lower tier bowl games. They have to guarantee a certain number of tickets sold, and if they don't meet that (and they almost never do), then they have to make up the difference, which amounts to a big chunk of change in most cases.

[CelticCat]

Love the research AFCAT! Prodigal spouts opinions and platitudes and you counter with facts. Well done.

You're being far too generous to Prodigal. He spouts uninformed BS.

Not sure what I did to you but the informed FACTS are Nevada only made to past the qtrs and to the title game once during their entire 1-AA tenure. By no means a powerhouse. I didn't say they were bad. I said they were mid and its true. The Cats have had more success in just the last 3 years with semi's and a title game appearance. If winning % was the measure of success we probably should have kept Ash as coach. None of those are opinion or platitudes, they are facts.

What? Determining what constitutes "mid" is 100% opinion.

[coloradocat]

@Colter_Nuanez We talk about it here a lot and you mentioned it during your interview with Keaton Gillogly but are there any actual signs that the G4/P5/FCS split/reorganization is on the horizon or does it just make logical sense so that's what everyone assumes will happen eventually.

[Prodigal Cat]

You need to dig a little deeper regarding the bowl games too. Most schools lose money, in some cases a lot of money, playing in the lower tier bowl games. They have to guarantee a certain number of tickets sold, and if they don't meet that (and they almost never do), then they have to make up the difference, which amounts to a big chunk of change in most cases.

Wait till you dig deeper on what the FCS playoffs are financially to the teams that make them.

While yes some schools initially lose money on some bowl games due to what you described above, they make it back in revenue sharing from the playoff and conference sharing.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/ncaa ... ial-fumble

And this is what I've been arguing this entire time. When teams like FIU or North Texas make a bowl game they don't draw fans but they never draw fans. Most of those teams have a big brother in their back yard that get fan support. My sister got her nursing degree from Carroll and she couldn't care less about the Saints. She grew up a Bobcat and follows them. When it comes to fan support MSU and UM are the big brothers. Its why they are always near the top in attendance in FCS.

So if the Cats went to a bowl game they would most likely not have to pay some guarantee because the fans would be there. We are more like a Boise or Fresno than an Idaho or SHSU.

[Prodigal Cat]

Love the research AFCAT! Prodigal spouts opinions and platitudes and you counter with facts. Well done.

You're being far too generous to Prodigal. He spouts uninformed BS.

Not sure what I did to you but the informed FACTS are Nevada only made to past the qtrs and to the title game once during their entire 1-AA tenure. By no means a powerhouse. I didn't say they were bad. I said they were mid and its true. The Cats have had more success in just the last 3 years with semi's and a title game appearance. If winning % was the measure of success we probably should have kept Ash as coach. None of those are opinion or platitudes, they are facts.

What? Determining what constitutes "mid" is 100% opinion.

I was stating that Nevada's record was fact, not opinion.
While I do agree that it's arbitrary, I do think you can present some facts that really can't be argued. During their time in the BSC, Nevada had 4 conference titles and one significant playoff run. Idaho during that time had 5 conference titles and MSU had 3 and won a National title. Those resumes are superior to Nevada's and the really isn't debatable and they certainly aren't comparable to Georgia Southern or Marshall of that same period. However they were much better than NAU, UM, and Weber were during that period. That means Nevada was a middle BSC team or mid 1-AA program. Not top but not bottom.

[Cataholic]

If any of you are watching the James Madison - Georgia Southern game on ESPN2 this morning, you should be able to see the appeal of playing in the G5. And the Sun Belt has been a crappy conference. You could argue that the Sun Belt is a much better conference with the addition of these two teams.

[BleedingBLue]

If any of you are watching the James Madison - Georgia Southern game on ESPN2 this morning, you should be able to see the appeal of playing in the G5. And the Sun Belt has been a crappy conference. You could argue that the Sun Belt is a much better conference with the addition of these two teams.

Why? What're they playing for? The R&L Carriers New Orleans Bowl, The Camellia Bowl, The Roofclaim.com Boca Raton Bowl. Cool

[Cataholic]

If any of you are watching the James Madison - Georgia Southern game on ESPN2 this morning, you should be able to see the appeal of playing in the G5. And the Sun Belt has been a crappy conference. You could argue that the Sun Belt is a much better conference with the addition of these two teams.

Why? What're they playing for? The R&L Carriers New Orleans Bowl, The Camellia Bowl, The Roofclaim.com Boca Raton Bowl. Cool

Saturday afternoon. Full stadium. JMU is still undefeated. Run the table and they get a higher profile bowl, maybe even crack the 12 team playoff when that gets instituted. But a season like they are having will only increase exposure for the university. If you can’t see the benefits, then benefits, or at a minimum the success they are having, then you are simply not evaluating the option faulty. You have closed your mind to even consider the possibility of moving up.

[cats2506]

If any of you are watching the James Madison - Georgia Southern game on ESPN2 this morning, you should be able to see the appeal of playing in the G5. And the Sun Belt has been a crappy conference. You could argue that the Sun Belt is a much better conference with the addition of these two teams.

I'm not watching it, what is the appeal besides a SBC game that isn't on a weeknight?

[MSU01]

If any of you are watching the James Madison - Georgia Southern game on ESPN2 this morning, you should be able to see the appeal of playing in the G5. And the Sun Belt has been a crappy conference. You could argue that the Sun Belt is a much better conference with the addition of these two teams.

Why? What're they playing for? The R&L Carriers New Orleans Bowl, The Camellia Bowl, The Roofclaim.com Boca Raton Bowl. Cool

Three events that the average sports fan cares about a hell of a lot more than the FCS playoffs.

[Cataholic]

If any of you are watching the James Madison - Georgia Southern game on ESPN2 this morning, you should be able to see the appeal of playing in the G5. And the Sun Belt has been a crappy conference. You could argue that the Sun Belt is a much better conference with the addition of these two teams.

I'm not watching it, what is the appeal besides a SBC game that isn't on a weeknight?

See last post.

[cats2506]

If any of you are watching the James Madison - Georgia Southern game on ESPN2 this morning, you should be able to see the appeal of playing in the G5. And the Sun Belt has been a crappy conference. You could argue that the Sun Belt is a much better conference with the addition of these two teams.

Why? What're they playing for? The R&L Carriers New Orleans Bowl, The Camellia Bowl, The Roofclaim.com Boca Raton Bowl. Cool

Three events that the average sports fan cares about a hell of a lot more than the FCS playoffs.

I never watch those bowl games, Maybe a quarter or so when there is absolutely nothing else on, they are usually about as interesting as watching grass grow.

[cats2506]

If any of you are watching the James Madison - Georgia Southern game on ESPN2 this morning, you should be able to see the appeal of playing in the G5. And the Sun Belt has been a crappy conference. You could argue that the Sun Belt is a much better conference with the addition of these two teams.

I'm not watching it, what is the appeal besides a SBC game that isn't on a weeknight?

See last post.

I cant say that I have any idea who was in any of those games last December.

[MSU01]

If any of you are watching the James Madison - Georgia Southern game on ESPN2 this morning, you should be able to see the appeal of playing in the G5. And the Sun Belt has been a crappy conference. You could argue that the Sun Belt is a much better conference with the addition of these two teams.

Why? What're they playing for? The R&L Carriers New Orleans Bowl, The Camellia Bowl, The Roofclaim.com Boca Raton Bowl. Cool

Three events that the average sports fan cares about a hell of a lot more than the FCS playoffs.

I never watch those bowl games, Maybe a quarter or so when there is absolutely nothing else on, they are usually about as interesting as watching grass grow.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2022-c ... %20million.

[cats2506]

If any of you are watching the James Madison - Georgia Southern game on ESPN2 this morning, you should be able to see the appeal of playing in the G5. And the Sun Belt has been a crappy conference. You could argue that the Sun Belt is a much better conference with the addition of these two teams.

Why? What're they playing for? The R&L Carriers New Orleans Bowl, The Camellia Bowl, The Roofclaim.com Boca Raton Bowl. Cool

Three events that the average sports fan cares about a hell of a lot more than the FCS playoffs.

I never watch those bowl games, Maybe a quarter or so when there is absolutely nothing else on, they are usually about as interesting as watching grass grow.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2022-c ... %20million.

Looks like a little over 1M viewers for the Frisco Bowl and the Potato Bowl isn't too good. I don't think the average fan is very interested in them.

[Cataholic]

If any of you are watching the James Madison - Georgia Southern game on ESPN2 this morning, you should be able to see the appeal of playing in the G5. And the Sun Belt has been a crappy conference. You could argue that the Sun Belt is a much better conference with the addition of these two teams.

I'm not watching it, what is the appeal besides a SBC game that isn't on a weeknight?

See last post.

I cant say that I have any idea who was in any of those games last December.

See my last post, not the one just above. Here it is again:

Saturday afternoon. Full stadium. JMU is still undefeated. Run the table and they get a higher profile bowl, maybe even crack the 12 team playoff when that gets instituted. But a season like they are having will only increase exposure for the university. If you can’t see the benefits, then benefits, or at a minimum the success they are having, then you are simply not evaluating the option faulty. You have closed your mind to even consider the possibility of moving up.

[Bocephus]

Watching the Utah State/ Fresno State game had me thinking they have nothing on Montana State. Pretty boring crowd in Utah.

[RickRund]

If any of you are watching the James Madison - Georgia Southern game on ESPN2 this morning, you should be able to see the appeal of playing in the G5. And the Sun Belt has been a crappy conference. You could argue that the Sun Belt is a much better conference with the addition of these two teams.

Why? What're they playing for? The R&L Carriers New Orleans Bowl, The Camellia Bowl, The Roofclaim.com Boca Raton Bowl. Cool

Three events that the average sports fan cares about a hell of a lot more than the FCS playoffs.

I never watch those bowl games, Maybe a quarter or so when there is absolutely nothing else on, they are usually about as interesting as watching grass grow.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2022-c ... %20million.

Looks like a little over 1M viewers for the Frisco Bowl and the Potato Bowl isn't too good. I don't think the average fan is very interested in them.

I have that site as a favorite.

[BleedingBLue]

If any of you are watching the James Madison - Georgia Southern game on ESPN2 this morning, you should be able to see the appeal of playing in the G5. And the Sun Belt has been a crappy conference. You could argue that the Sun Belt is a much better conference with the addition of these two teams.

I'm not watching it, what is the appeal besides a SBC game that isn't on a weeknight?

See last post.

I cant say that I have any idea who was in any of those games last December.

See my last post, not the one just above. Here it is again:

Saturday afternoon. Full stadium. JMU is still undefeated. Run the table and they get a higher profile bowl, maybe even crack the 12 team playoff when that gets instituted. But a season like they are having will only increase exposure for the university. If you can’t see the benefits, then benefits, or at a minimum the success they are having, then you are simply not evaluating the option faulty. You have closed your mind to even consider the possibility of moving up.

Yeah not too difficult to go undefeated and HOPE you get in the 12 team playoff JMU does have a great fan base, and that's awesome, but they are still going to play in a mean nothing bowl game.

[Cataholic]

If any of you are watching the James Madison - Georgia Southern game on ESPN2 this morning, you should be able to see the appeal of playing in the G5. And the Sun Belt has been a crappy conference. You could argue that the Sun Belt is a much better conference with the addition of these two teams.

I'm not watching it, what is the appeal besides a SBC game that isn't on a weeknight?

See last post.

I cant say that I have any idea who was in any of those games last December.

See my last post, not the one just above. Here it is again:

Saturday afternoon. Full stadium. JMU is still undefeated. Run the table and they get a higher profile bowl, maybe even crack the 12 team playoff when that gets instituted. But a season like they are having will only increase exposure for the university. If you can’t see the benefits, then benefits, or at a minimum the success they are having, then you are simply not evaluating the option faulty. You have closed your mind to even consider the possibility of moving up.

Yeah not too difficult to go undefeated and HOPE you get in the 12 team playoff JMU does have a great fan base, and that's awesome, but they are still going to play in a mean nothing bowl game.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nca ... ba7c6p0ksl

From the article:

The 12-team format will feature, in order, the top four conference champions, followed by some combination of the top six at-large bids and two highest-ranked remaining conference champions. Teams will be ordered based on the College Football Playoff rankings.

That guarantees at least one "Group of 5" team will make the Playoff each year and, while it's unlikely, allows the possibility of more than one G5 team making the Playoff in lieu of a "Power 5" team.