Moving up

[Prodigal Cat]

I'll see you SHSU and raise you JMU, who is 5-0 and doing so well that the AG of the State of Virginia is putting pressure on the NCAA to let them be bowl eligible (they aren't due to the 2 year ban after moving up). They also received 3 votes in the top 25.

I mean if you think we are closer to SHSU than we are to JMU...

So true. Hen picking teams that had zero following or fan support before they went FBS. Had really no business going FBS. Ignoring App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, JMU, Boise State. These are the guys that show up at the YMCA to flex on 6th graders in a pickup BBall game.

Didn't you already use that one?

What have App State and Georgia Southern done since their move? Talk about cherry picking. Boise State moved 30 years ago. Let's look at Nevada, Idaho, Marshall...

Yes because people keep pointing to teams that had little support prior to moving up. Idaho has a top 5 FCS team and still can’t sell out that Quonset. Nevada was a mediocre BSC team when they moved up. Schools that have support and success tend to repeat it at the next level. App St has made a bowl game damn near every year since moving up and upset Texas A&M in front of a national audience last season. Same for Marshall.
And seriously stop crapping on bowl games. They have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher viewership and payout than FCS playoffs. There is a reason they exist and have more respect than FCS playoffs. There’s a reason why HBCUs do the bowl thing instead of playoffs. MSU would get SIGNIFICANTLY more exposure and more $$. Wyoming is about to be nationally ranked and I think the Cats could beat them.

[JohnGotti]

Spot on!!

[AFCAT]

I'll see you SHSU and raise you JMU, who is 5-0 and doing so well that the AG of the State of Virginia is putting pressure on the NCAA to let them be bowl eligible (they aren't due to the 2 year ban after moving up). They also received 3 votes in the top 25.

I mean if you think we are closer to SHSU than we are to JMU...

So true. Hen picking teams that had zero following or fan support before they went FBS. Had really no business going FBS. Ignoring App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, JMU, Boise State. These are the guys that show up at the YMCA to flex on 6th graders in a pickup BBall game.

Didn't you already use that one?

What have App State and Georgia Southern done since their move? Talk about cherry picking. Boise State moved 30 years ago. Let's look at Nevada, Idaho, Marshall...

Yes because people keep pointing to teams that had little support prior to moving up. Idaho has a top 5 FCS team and still can’t sell out that Quonset. Nevada was a mediocre BSC team when they moved up. Schools that have support and success tend to repeat it at the next level. App St has made a bowl game damn near every year since moving up and upset Texas A&M in front of a national audience last season. Same for Marshall.
And seriously stop crapping on bowl games. They have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher viewership and payout than FCS playoffs. There is a reason they exist and have more respect than FCS playoffs. There’s a reason why HBCUs do the bowl thing instead of playoffs. MSU would get SIGNIFICANTLY more exposure and more $$. Wyoming is about to be nationally ranked and I think the Cats could beat them.

In its 14 years in Division I-AA, Nevada made the playoffs seven times, and went undefeated during the regular season three times (1978, 1986, 1991), compiling an overall record of 122–47–1 (.721). Nevada had a record of 9–7 in the I-AA playoffs during their time in the Big Sky and in 13 years of membership, the Wolf Pack won four conference titles (1983, 1986, 1990, 1991). Nevada made the National Championship game in 1990 and the quarterfinals in 1991. Nevada moved up in 1992.

[Prodigal Cat]

I'll see you SHSU and raise you JMU, who is 5-0 and doing so well that the AG of the State of Virginia is putting pressure on the NCAA to let them be bowl eligible (they aren't due to the 2 year ban after moving up). They also received 3 votes in the top 25.

I mean if you think we are closer to SHSU than we are to JMU...

So true. Hen picking teams that had zero following or fan support before they went FBS. Had really no business going FBS. Ignoring App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, JMU, Boise State. These are the guys that show up at the YMCA to flex on 6th graders in a pickup BBall game.

Didn't you already use that one?

What have App State and Georgia Southern done since their move? Talk about cherry picking. Boise State moved 30 years ago. Let's look at Nevada, Idaho, Marshall...

Yes because people keep pointing to teams that had little support prior to moving up. Idaho has a top 5 FCS team and still can’t sell out that Quonset. Nevada was a mediocre BSC team when they moved up. Schools that have support and success tend to repeat it at the next level. App St has made a bowl game damn near every year since moving up and upset Texas A&M in front of a national audience last season. Same for Marshall.
And seriously stop crapping on bowl games. They have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher viewership and payout than FCS playoffs. There is a reason they exist and have more respect than FCS playoffs. There’s a reason why HBCUs do the bowl thing instead of playoffs. MSU would get SIGNIFICANTLY more exposure and more $$. Wyoming is about to be nationally ranked and I think the Cats could beat them.

In its 14 years in Division I-AA, Nevada made the playoffs seven times, and went undefeated during the regular season three times (1978, 1986, 1991), compiling an overall record of 122–47–1 (.721). Nevada had a record of 9–7 in the I-AA playoffs during their time in the Big Sky and in 13 years of membership, the Wolf Pack won four conference titles (1983, 1986, 1990, 1991). Nevada made the National Championship game in 1990 and the quarterfinals in 1991. Nevada moved up in 1992.

So they never won a national title and only went past the qtrs once. Is that your point? Try harder.

[AFCAT]

I'll see you SHSU and raise you JMU, who is 5-0 and doing so well that the AG of the State of Virginia is putting pressure on the NCAA to let them be bowl eligible (they aren't due to the 2 year ban after moving up). They also received 3 votes in the top 25.

I mean if you think we are closer to SHSU than we are to JMU...

So true. Hen picking teams that had zero following or fan support before they went FBS. Had really no business going FBS. Ignoring App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, JMU, Boise State. These are the guys that show up at the YMCA to flex on 6th graders in a pickup BBall game.

Didn't you already use that one?

What have App State and Georgia Southern done since their move? Talk about cherry picking. Boise State moved 30 years ago. Let's look at Nevada, Idaho, Marshall...

Yes because people keep pointing to teams that had little support prior to moving up. Idaho has a top 5 FCS team and still can’t sell out that Quonset. Nevada was a mediocre BSC team when they moved up. Schools that have support and success tend to repeat it at the next level. App St has made a bowl game damn near every year since moving up and upset Texas A&M in front of a national audience last season. Same for Marshall.
And seriously stop crapping on bowl games. They have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher viewership and payout than FCS playoffs. There is a reason they exist and have more respect than FCS playoffs. There’s a reason why HBCUs do the bowl thing instead of playoffs. MSU would get SIGNIFICANTLY more exposure and more $$. Wyoming is about to be nationally ranked and I think the Cats could beat them.

In its 14 years in Division I-AA, Nevada made the playoffs seven times, and went undefeated during the regular season three times (1978, 1986, 1991), compiling an overall record of 122–47–1 (.721). Nevada had a record of 9–7 in the I-AA playoffs during their time in the Big Sky and in 13 years of membership, the Wolf Pack won four conference titles (1983, 1986, 1990, 1991). Nevada made the National Championship game in 1990 and the quarterfinals in 1991. Nevada moved up in 1992.

So they never won a national title and only went past the qtrs once. Is that your point? Try harder.

You wrote that they were mediocre. Is that true though? .721 winning percentage. Try harder.

[Prodigal Cat]

I'll see you SHSU and raise you JMU, who is 5-0 and doing so well that the AG of the State of Virginia is putting pressure on the NCAA to let them be bowl eligible (they aren't due to the 2 year ban after moving up). They also received 3 votes in the top 25.

I mean if you think we are closer to SHSU than we are to JMU...

So true. Hen picking teams that had zero following or fan support before they went FBS. Had really no business going FBS. Ignoring App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, JMU, Boise State. These are the guys that show up at the YMCA to flex on 6th graders in a pickup BBall game.

Didn't you already use that one?

What have App State and Georgia Southern done since their move? Talk about cherry picking. Boise State moved 30 years ago. Let's look at Nevada, Idaho, Marshall...

Yes because people keep pointing to teams that had little support prior to moving up. Idaho has a top 5 FCS team and still can’t sell out that Quonset. Nevada was a mediocre BSC team when they moved up. Schools that have support and success tend to repeat it at the next level. App St has made a bowl game damn near every year since moving up and upset Texas A&M in front of a national audience last season. Same for Marshall.
And seriously stop crapping on bowl games. They have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher viewership and payout than FCS playoffs. There is a reason they exist and have more respect than FCS playoffs. There’s a reason why HBCUs do the bowl thing instead of playoffs. MSU would get SIGNIFICANTLY more exposure and more $$. Wyoming is about to be nationally ranked and I think the Cats could beat them.

In its 14 years in Division I-AA, Nevada made the playoffs seven times, and went undefeated during the regular season three times (1978, 1986, 1991), compiling an overall record of 122–47–1 (.721). Nevada had a record of 9–7 in the I-AA playoffs during their time in the Big Sky and in 13 years of membership, the Wolf Pack won four conference titles (1983, 1986, 1990, 1991). Nevada made the National Championship game in 1990 and the quarterfinals in 1991. Nevada moved up in 1992.

So they never won a national title and only went past the qtrs once. Is that your point? Try harder.

You wrote that they were mediocre. Is that true though? .721 winning percentage. Try harder.

Nevada had 4 conference titles in 92. MSU had 8. Mid. Try harder.

[BleedingBLue]

I'll see you SHSU and raise you JMU, who is 5-0 and doing so well that the AG of the State of Virginia is putting pressure on the NCAA to let them be bowl eligible (they aren't due to the 2 year ban after moving up). They also received 3 votes in the top 25.

I mean if you think we are closer to SHSU than we are to JMU...

So true. Hen picking teams that had zero following or fan support before they went FBS. Had really no business going FBS. Ignoring App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, JMU, Boise State. These are the guys that show up at the YMCA to flex on 6th graders in a pickup BBall game.

Didn't you already use that one?

What have App State and Georgia Southern done since their move? Talk about cherry picking. Boise State moved 30 years ago. Let's look at Nevada, Idaho, Marshall...

Yes because people keep pointing to teams that had little support prior to moving up. Idaho has a top 5 FCS team and still can’t sell out that Quonset. Nevada was a mediocre BSC team when they moved up. Schools that have support and success tend to repeat it at the next level. App St has made a bowl game damn near every year since moving up and upset Texas A&M in front of a national audience last season. Same for Marshall.
And seriously stop crapping on bowl games. They have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher viewership and payout than FCS playoffs. There is a reason they exist and have more respect than FCS playoffs. There’s a reason why HBCUs do the bowl thing instead of playoffs. MSU would get SIGNIFICANTLY more exposure and more $$. Wyoming is about to be nationally ranked and I think the Cats could beat them.

I guess if success is regularly being over .500, beating a P5 team now and again and playing in the Bahamas bowl, then yes we can call Marshall and App State successes. That's not success in my book. Boise State is an extreme outlier in terms of moving up and having real success.

This is the problem though, it's all about the money. Cool that bowl games generate higher viewership, it doesn't get the engine going for plenty of fans. There's a reason bowl games outside the New Years 6 are played in front 20k-30k fans (if that many), because it's not interesting. Honestly, how many people would watch Montana State vs. Bowling Green in the Idaho Potato bowl, even on TV? Not many. The average attendance the last 2 years in that game has been 10k. Even when Boise or BYU are playing its not even reaching 20K. It paid out a whopping 800k last year. We'll get paid 360k next year to beat New Mexico at their place.

The argument has been made about it being better playing in front of more fans in better stadiums at MWC teams. But is 15,000 in a 40,000 seat stadium in Albuquerque better than 8,000 in a 15,000 seat stadium in Ogden? No. That's just one example. The MWC doesn't draw crap for about half their teams compared to the size of their stadium, really no different than the BSC.

https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/report ... -heres-why

[AFCAT]

I'll see you SHSU and raise you JMU, who is 5-0 and doing so well that the AG of the State of Virginia is putting pressure on the NCAA to let them be bowl eligible (they aren't due to the 2 year ban after moving up). They also received 3 votes in the top 25.

I mean if you think we are closer to SHSU than we are to JMU...

So true. Hen picking teams that had zero following or fan support before they went FBS. Had really no business going FBS. Ignoring App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, JMU, Boise State. These are the guys that show up at the YMCA to flex on 6th graders in a pickup BBall game.

Didn't you already use that one?

What have App State and Georgia Southern done since their move? Talk about cherry picking. Boise State moved 30 years ago. Let's look at Nevada, Idaho, Marshall...

Yes because people keep pointing to teams that had little support prior to moving up. Idaho has a top 5 FCS team and still can’t sell out that Quonset. Nevada was a mediocre BSC team when they moved up. Schools that have support and success tend to repeat it at the next level. App St has made a bowl game damn near every year since moving up and upset Texas A&M in front of a national audience last season. Same for Marshall.
And seriously stop crapping on bowl games. They have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher viewership and payout than FCS playoffs. There is a reason they exist and have more respect than FCS playoffs. There’s a reason why HBCUs do the bowl thing instead of playoffs. MSU would get SIGNIFICANTLY more exposure and more $$. Wyoming is about to be nationally ranked and I think the Cats could beat them.

In its 14 years in Division I-AA, Nevada made the playoffs seven times, and went undefeated during the regular season three times (1978, 1986, 1991), compiling an overall record of 122–47–1 (.721). Nevada had a record of 9–7 in the I-AA playoffs during their time in the Big Sky and in 13 years of membership, the Wolf Pack won four conference titles (1983, 1986, 1990, 1991). Nevada made the National Championship game in 1990 and the quarterfinals in 1991. Nevada moved up in 1992.

So they never won a national title and only went past the qtrs once. Is that your point? Try harder.

You wrote that they were mediocre. Is that true though? .721 winning percentage. Try harder.

Nevada had 4 conference titles in 92. MSU had 8. Mid. Try harder.

Nevada had a 9-4 record against the Cats in the Big Sky during their period in the league. The Cats had three whole winning records and a 51-91 record during the same period Nevada was in the Big Sky. Counting titles before Nevada was in the Big Sky, nice try. If any team was "medicore" during that period, it was MSU.

[Prodigal Cat]

I'll see you SHSU and raise you JMU, who is 5-0 and doing so well that the AG of the State of Virginia is putting pressure on the NCAA to let them be bowl eligible (they aren't due to the 2 year ban after moving up). They also received 3 votes in the top 25.

I mean if you think we are closer to SHSU than we are to JMU...

So true. Hen picking teams that had zero following or fan support before they went FBS. Had really no business going FBS. Ignoring App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, JMU, Boise State. These are the guys that show up at the YMCA to flex on 6th graders in a pickup BBall game.

Didn't you already use that one?

What have App State and Georgia Southern done since their move? Talk about cherry picking. Boise State moved 30 years ago. Let's look at Nevada, Idaho, Marshall...

Yes because people keep pointing to teams that had little support prior to moving up. Idaho has a top 5 FCS team and still can’t sell out that Quonset. Nevada was a mediocre BSC team when they moved up. Schools that have support and success tend to repeat it at the next level. App St has made a bowl game damn near every year since moving up and upset Texas A&M in front of a national audience last season. Same for Marshall.
And seriously stop crapping on bowl games. They have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher viewership and payout than FCS playoffs. There is a reason they exist and have more respect than FCS playoffs. There’s a reason why HBCUs do the bowl thing instead of playoffs. MSU would get SIGNIFICANTLY more exposure and more $$. Wyoming is about to be nationally ranked and I think the Cats could beat them.

In its 14 years in Division I-AA, Nevada made the playoffs seven times, and went undefeated during the regular season three times (1978, 1986, 1991), compiling an overall record of 122–47–1 (.721). Nevada had a record of 9–7 in the I-AA playoffs during their time in the Big Sky and in 13 years of membership, the Wolf Pack won four conference titles (1983, 1986, 1990, 1991). Nevada made the National Championship game in 1990 and the quarterfinals in 1991. Nevada moved up in 1992.

So they never won a national title and only went past the qtrs once. Is that your point? Try harder.

You wrote that they were mediocre. Is that true though? .721 winning percentage. Try harder.

Nevada had 4 conference titles in 92. MSU had 8. Mid. Try harder.

Nevada had a 9-4 record against the Cats in the Big Sky during their period in the league. The Cats had three whole winning records and a 51-91 record during the same period Nevada was in the Big Sky. Counting titles before Nevada was in the Big Sky, nice try. If any team was "medicore" during that period, it was MSU.

I’ll take 8 conference titles and 2 Natty’s over 4 conference titles and a big ol goose egg In championships any day of the week and twice on Sunday but you do you.

[AFCAT]

I'll see you SHSU and raise you JMU, who is 5-0 and doing so well that the AG of the State of Virginia is putting pressure on the NCAA to let them be bowl eligible (they aren't due to the 2 year ban after moving up). They also received 3 votes in the top 25.

I mean if you think we are closer to SHSU than we are to JMU...

So true. Hen picking teams that had zero following or fan support before they went FBS. Had really no business going FBS. Ignoring App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, JMU, Boise State. These are the guys that show up at the YMCA to flex on 6th graders in a pickup BBall game.

Didn't you already use that one?

What have App State and Georgia Southern done since their move? Talk about cherry picking. Boise State moved 30 years ago. Let's look at Nevada, Idaho, Marshall...

Yes because people keep pointing to teams that had little support prior to moving up. Idaho has a top 5 FCS team and still can’t sell out that Quonset. Nevada was a mediocre BSC team when they moved up. Schools that have support and success tend to repeat it at the next level. App St has made a bowl game damn near every year since moving up and upset Texas A&M in front of a national audience last season. Same for Marshall.
And seriously stop crapping on bowl games. They have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher viewership and payout than FCS playoffs. There is a reason they exist and have more respect than FCS playoffs. There’s a reason why HBCUs do the bowl thing instead of playoffs. MSU would get SIGNIFICANTLY more exposure and more $$. Wyoming is about to be nationally ranked and I think the Cats could beat them.

In its 14 years in Division I-AA, Nevada made the playoffs seven times, and went undefeated during the regular season three times (1978, 1986, 1991), compiling an overall record of 122–47–1 (.721). Nevada had a record of 9–7 in the I-AA playoffs during their time in the Big Sky and in 13 years of membership, the Wolf Pack won four conference titles (1983, 1986, 1990, 1991). Nevada made the National Championship game in 1990 and the quarterfinals in 1991. Nevada moved up in 1992.

So they never won a national title and only went past the qtrs once. Is that your point? Try harder.

You wrote that they were mediocre. Is that true though? .721 winning percentage. Try harder.

Nevada had 4 conference titles in 92. MSU had 8. Mid. Try harder.

Nevada had a 9-4 record against the Cats in the Big Sky during their period in the league. The Cats had three whole winning records and a 51-91 record during the same period Nevada was in the Big Sky. Counting titles before Nevada was in the Big Sky, nice try. If any team was "medicore" during that period, it was MSU.

I’ll take 8 conference titles and 2 Natty’s over 4 conference titles and a big ol goose egg In championships any day of the week and twice on Sunday but you do you.

Yup, keep deflecting from your original statement. It's all good.

[Prodigal Cat]

So true. Hen picking teams that had zero following or fan support before they went FBS. Had really no business going FBS. Ignoring App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, JMU, Boise State. These are the guys that show up at the YMCA to flex on 6th graders in a pickup BBall game.

Didn't you already use that one?

What have App State and Georgia Southern done since their move? Talk about cherry picking. Boise State moved 30 years ago. Let's look at Nevada, Idaho, Marshall...

Yes because people keep pointing to teams that had little support prior to moving up. Idaho has a top 5 FCS team and still can’t sell out that Quonset. Nevada was a mediocre BSC team when they moved up. Schools that have support and success tend to repeat it at the next level. App St has made a bowl game damn near every year since moving up and upset Texas A&M in front of a national audience last season. Same for Marshall.
And seriously stop crapping on bowl games. They have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher viewership and payout than FCS playoffs. There is a reason they exist and have more respect than FCS playoffs. There’s a reason why HBCUs do the bowl thing instead of playoffs. MSU would get SIGNIFICANTLY more exposure and more $$. Wyoming is about to be nationally ranked and I think the Cats could beat them.

In its 14 years in Division I-AA, Nevada made the playoffs seven times, and went undefeated during the regular season three times (1978, 1986, 1991), compiling an overall record of 122–47–1 (.721). Nevada had a record of 9–7 in the I-AA playoffs during their time in the Big Sky and in 13 years of membership, the Wolf Pack won four conference titles (1983, 1986, 1990, 1991). Nevada made the National Championship game in 1990 and the quarterfinals in 1991. Nevada moved up in 1992.

So they never won a national title and only went past the qtrs once. Is that your point? Try harder.

You wrote that they were mediocre. Is that true though? .721 winning percentage. Try harder.

Nevada had 4 conference titles in 92. MSU had 8. Mid. Try harder.

Nevada had a 9-4 record against the Cats in the Big Sky during their period in the league. The Cats had three whole winning records and a 51-91 record during the same period Nevada was in the Big Sky. Counting titles before Nevada was in the Big Sky, nice try. If any team was "medicore" during that period, it was MSU.

I’ll take 8 conference titles and 2 Natty’s over 4 conference titles and a big ol goose egg In championships any day of the week and twice on Sunday but you do you.

Yup, keep deflecting from your original statement. It's all good.

How am I deflecting? MSU had 2 national titles during the D2 1-AA period that they were the same as Nevada. How many the Wolfpack have in that time frame? Before you post one more time answer this question. HOW MANY NATIONAL TITLES DID MSU HAVE AND HOW MANY DID NEVADA HAVE? You are making a fool of yourself. Nevada was a mid D2 1-AA team and arguing otherwise is ludicrous.

[AFCAT]

Didn't you already use that one?

What have App State and Georgia Southern done since their move? Talk about cherry picking. Boise State moved 30 years ago. Let's look at Nevada, Idaho, Marshall...

Yes because people keep pointing to teams that had little support prior to moving up. Idaho has a top 5 FCS team and still can’t sell out that Quonset. Nevada was a mediocre BSC team when they moved up. Schools that have support and success tend to repeat it at the next level. App St has made a bowl game damn near every year since moving up and upset Texas A&M in front of a national audience last season. Same for Marshall.
And seriously stop crapping on bowl games. They have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher viewership and payout than FCS playoffs. There is a reason they exist and have more respect than FCS playoffs. There’s a reason why HBCUs do the bowl thing instead of playoffs. MSU would get SIGNIFICANTLY more exposure and more $$. Wyoming is about to be nationally ranked and I think the Cats could beat them.

In its 14 years in Division I-AA, Nevada made the playoffs seven times, and went undefeated during the regular season three times (1978, 1986, 1991), compiling an overall record of 122–47–1 (.721). Nevada had a record of 9–7 in the I-AA playoffs during their time in the Big Sky and in 13 years of membership, the Wolf Pack won four conference titles (1983, 1986, 1990, 1991). Nevada made the National Championship game in 1990 and the quarterfinals in 1991. Nevada moved up in 1992.

So they never won a national title and only went past the qtrs once. Is that your point? Try harder.

You wrote that they were mediocre. Is that true though? .721 winning percentage. Try harder.

Nevada had 4 conference titles in 92. MSU had 8. Mid. Try harder.

Nevada had a 9-4 record against the Cats in the Big Sky during their period in the league. The Cats had three whole winning records and a 51-91 record during the same period Nevada was in the Big Sky. Counting titles before Nevada was in the Big Sky, nice try. If any team was "medicore" during that period, it was MSU.

I’ll take 8 conference titles and 2 Natty’s over 4 conference titles and a big ol goose egg In championships any day of the week and twice on Sunday but you do you.

Yup, keep deflecting from your original statement. It's all good.

How am I deflecting? MSU had 2 national titles during the D2 1-AA period that they were the same as Nevada. How many the Wolfpack have in that time frame? Before you post one more time answer this question. HOW MANY NATIONAL TITLES DID MSU HAVE AND HOW MANY DID NEVADA HAVE? You are making a fool of yourself. Nevada was a mid D2 1-AA team and arguing otherwise is ludicrous.

You wrote that Nevada was a mediocre team when they moved up. Read your statement. I wrote that they were not mediocre and proved it. You continue to deflect from that FACT. You could just admit your mistake but you just can't do that.

[Prodigal Cat]

Yes because people keep pointing to teams that had little support prior to moving up. Idaho has a top 5 FCS team and still can’t sell out that Quonset. Nevada was a mediocre BSC team when they moved up. Schools that have support and success tend to repeat it at the next level. App St has made a bowl game damn near every year since moving up and upset Texas A&M in front of a national audience last season. Same for Marshall.
And seriously stop crapping on bowl games. They have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher viewership and payout than FCS playoffs. There is a reason they exist and have more respect than FCS playoffs. There’s a reason why HBCUs do the bowl thing instead of playoffs. MSU would get SIGNIFICANTLY more exposure and more $$. Wyoming is about to be nationally ranked and I think the Cats could beat them.

In its 14 years in Division I-AA, Nevada made the playoffs seven times, and went undefeated during the regular season three times (1978, 1986, 1991), compiling an overall record of 122–47–1 (.721). Nevada had a record of 9–7 in the I-AA playoffs during their time in the Big Sky and in 13 years of membership, the Wolf Pack won four conference titles (1983, 1986, 1990, 1991). Nevada made the National Championship game in 1990 and the quarterfinals in 1991. Nevada moved up in 1992.

So they never won a national title and only went past the qtrs once. Is that your point? Try harder.

You wrote that they were mediocre. Is that true though? .721 winning percentage. Try harder.

Nevada had 4 conference titles in 92. MSU had 8. Mid. Try harder.

Nevada had a 9-4 record against the Cats in the Big Sky during their period in the league. The Cats had three whole winning records and a 51-91 record during the same period Nevada was in the Big Sky. Counting titles before Nevada was in the Big Sky, nice try. If any team was "medicore" during that period, it was MSU.

I’ll take 8 conference titles and 2 Natty’s over 4 conference titles and a big ol goose egg In championships any day of the week and twice on Sunday but you do you.

Yup, keep deflecting from your original statement. It's all good.

How am I deflecting? MSU had 2 national titles during the D2 1-AA period that they were the same as Nevada. How many the Wolfpack have in that time frame? Before you post one more time answer this question. HOW MANY NATIONAL TITLES DID MSU HAVE AND HOW MANY DID NEVADA HAVE? You are making a fool of yourself. Nevada was a mid D2 1-AA team and arguing otherwise is ludicrous.

You wrote that Nevada was a mediocre team when they moved up. Read your statement. I wrote that they were not mediocre and proved it. You continue to deflect from that FACT. You could just admit your mistake but you just can't do that.

UM is 41-17 since Hauck returned, 71% winning record and have made it past the qtrs once. Are you arguing that is success? Should they move up because those numbers are almost exactly the same as the vaunted Wolfpack you’re arguing for.

[AFCAT]

In its 14 years in Division I-AA, Nevada made the playoffs seven times, and went undefeated during the regular season three times (1978, 1986, 1991), compiling an overall record of 122–47–1 (.721). Nevada had a record of 9–7 in the I-AA playoffs during their time in the Big Sky and in 13 years of membership, the Wolf Pack won four conference titles (1983, 1986, 1990, 1991). Nevada made the National Championship game in 1990 and the quarterfinals in 1991. Nevada moved up in 1992.

So they never won a national title and only went past the qtrs once. Is that your point? Try harder.

You wrote that they were mediocre. Is that true though? .721 winning percentage. Try harder.

Nevada had 4 conference titles in 92. MSU had 8. Mid. Try harder.

Nevada had a 9-4 record against the Cats in the Big Sky during their period in the league. The Cats had three whole winning records and a 51-91 record during the same period Nevada was in the Big Sky. Counting titles before Nevada was in the Big Sky, nice try. If any team was "medicore" during that period, it was MSU.

I’ll take 8 conference titles and 2 Natty’s over 4 conference titles and a big ol goose egg In championships any day of the week and twice on Sunday but you do you.

Yup, keep deflecting from your original statement. It's all good.

How am I deflecting? MSU had 2 national titles during the D2 1-AA period that they were the same as Nevada. How many the Wolfpack have in that time frame? Before you post one more time answer this question. HOW MANY NATIONAL TITLES DID MSU HAVE AND HOW MANY DID NEVADA HAVE? You are making a fool of yourself. Nevada was a mid D2 1-AA team and arguing otherwise is ludicrous.

You wrote that Nevada was a mediocre team when they moved up. Read your statement. I wrote that they were not mediocre and proved it. You continue to deflect from that FACT. You could just admit your mistake but you just can't do that.

UM is 41-17 since Hauck returned, 71% winning record and have made it past the qtrs once. Are you arguing that is success? Should they move up because those numbers are almost exactly the same as the vaunted Wolfpack you’re arguing for.

I'm not arguing that anyone should have moved up or move up. I really don't care if some other team moves up. I'm simply proving that Nevada wasn't mediocre, like you wrote that they were, when they had over a decade of winning over 70% of their games. Show me a period of 13 consecutive years when the Cats have done that. I would call winning at that high of a percentage for that long as being a very successful program and I can't think of how it would be considered anything else.

[Prodigal Cat]

So they never won a national title and only went past the qtrs once. Is that your point? Try harder.

You wrote that they were mediocre. Is that true though? .721 winning percentage. Try harder.

Nevada had 4 conference titles in 92. MSU had 8. Mid. Try harder.

Nevada had a 9-4 record against the Cats in the Big Sky during their period in the league. The Cats had three whole winning records and a 51-91 record during the same period Nevada was in the Big Sky. Counting titles before Nevada was in the Big Sky, nice try. If any team was "medicore" during that period, it was MSU.

I’ll take 8 conference titles and 2 Natty’s over 4 conference titles and a big ol goose egg In championships any day of the week and twice on Sunday but you do you.

Yup, keep deflecting from your original statement. It's all good.

How am I deflecting? MSU had 2 national titles during the D2 1-AA period that they were the same as Nevada. How many the Wolfpack have in that time frame? Before you post one more time answer this question. HOW MANY NATIONAL TITLES DID MSU HAVE AND HOW MANY DID NEVADA HAVE? You are making a fool of yourself. Nevada was a mid D2 1-AA team and arguing otherwise is ludicrous.

You wrote that Nevada was a mediocre team when they moved up. Read your statement. I wrote that they were not mediocre and proved it. You continue to deflect from that FACT. You could just admit your mistake but you just can't do that.

UM is 41-17 since Hauck returned, 71% winning record and have made it past the qtrs once. Are you arguing that is success? Should they move up because those numbers are almost exactly the same as the vaunted Wolfpack you’re arguing for.

I'm not arguing that anyone should have moved up or move up. I really don't care if some other team moves up. I'm simply proving that Nevada wasn't mediocre, like you wrote that they were, when they had over a decade of winning over 70% of their games. Show me a period of 13 consecutive years when the Cats have done that. I would call winning at that high of a percentage for that long as being a very successful program and I can't think of how it would be considered anything else.

I’m to tired to do the math but pretty sure Rob Ash had a winning percentage around 66% so 72% isn’t remarkable. They were good not great so Mid. No real accomplishments. Arguing otherwise is wrong, just look at their trophy case. Empty.

[AFCAT]

You wrote that they were mediocre. Is that true though? .721 winning percentage. Try harder.

Nevada had 4 conference titles in 92. MSU had 8. Mid. Try harder.

Nevada had a 9-4 record against the Cats in the Big Sky during their period in the league. The Cats had three whole winning records and a 51-91 record during the same period Nevada was in the Big Sky. Counting titles before Nevada was in the Big Sky, nice try. If any team was "medicore" during that period, it was MSU.

I’ll take 8 conference titles and 2 Natty’s over 4 conference titles and a big ol goose egg In championships any day of the week and twice on Sunday but you do you.

Yup, keep deflecting from your original statement. It's all good.

How am I deflecting? MSU had 2 national titles during the D2 1-AA period that they were the same as Nevada. How many the Wolfpack have in that time frame? Before you post one more time answer this question. HOW MANY NATIONAL TITLES DID MSU HAVE AND HOW MANY DID NEVADA HAVE? You are making a fool of yourself. Nevada was a mid D2 1-AA team and arguing otherwise is ludicrous.

You wrote that Nevada was a mediocre team when they moved up. Read your statement. I wrote that they were not mediocre and proved it. You continue to deflect from that FACT. You could just admit your mistake but you just can't do that.

UM is 41-17 since Hauck returned, 71% winning record and have made it past the qtrs once. Are you arguing that is success? Should they move up because those numbers are almost exactly the same as the vaunted Wolfpack you’re arguing for.

I'm not arguing that anyone should have moved up or move up. I really don't care if some other team moves up. I'm simply proving that Nevada wasn't mediocre, like you wrote that they were, when they had over a decade of winning over 70% of their games. Show me a period of 13 consecutive years when the Cats have done that. I would call winning at that high of a percentage for that long as being a very successful program and I can't think of how it would be considered anything else.

I’m to tired to do the math but pretty sure Rob Ash had a winning percentage around 66% so 72% isn’t remarkable. They were good not great so Mid. No real accomplishments. Arguing otherwise is wrong, just look at their trophy case. Empty.

Only two MSU coaches (coached more than 1 season) have records of winning greater than 70% of their games, Vigen and Storti. Even being fairly dominant and winning two national championships from 1976-1984, the Cats didn't win 70% of their games in that period. Sonny Holland won two Big Sky championships as a coach and one National Championship and he didn't even win 70% of his games.

[Long Time Cat]

Love the research AFCAT! Prodigal spouts opinions and platitudes and you counter with facts. Well done.

[John K]

Love the research AFCAT! Prodigal spouts opinions and platitudes and you counter with facts. Well done.

You're being far too generous to Prodigal. He spouts uninformed BS.

[Norsky19]

I'll see you SHSU and raise you JMU, who is 5-0 and doing so well that the AG of the State of Virginia is putting pressure on the NCAA to let them be bowl eligible (they aren't due to the 2 year ban after moving up). They also received 3 votes in the top 25.

I mean if you think we are closer to SHSU than we are to JMU...

So true. Hen picking teams that had zero following or fan support before they went FBS. Had really no business going FBS. Ignoring App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, JMU, Boise State. These are the guys that show up at the YMCA to flex on 6th graders in a pickup BBall game.

Didn't you already use that one?

What have App State and Georgia Southern done since their move? Talk about cherry picking. Boise State moved 30 years ago. Let's look at Nevada, Idaho, Marshall...

Yes because people keep pointing to teams that had little support prior to moving up. Idaho has a top 5 FCS team and still can’t sell out that Quonset. Nevada was a mediocre BSC team when they moved up. Schools that have support and success tend to repeat it at the next level. App St has made a bowl game damn near every year since moving up and upset Texas A&M in front of a national audience last season. Same for Marshall.
And seriously stop crapping on bowl games. They have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher viewership and payout than FCS playoffs. There is a reason they exist and have more respect than FCS playoffs. There’s a reason why HBCUs do the bowl thing instead of playoffs. MSU would get SIGNIFICANTLY more exposure and more $$. Wyoming is about to be nationally ranked and I think the Cats could beat them.

In its 14 years in Division I-AA, Nevada made the playoffs seven times, and went undefeated during the regular season three times (1978, 1986, 1991), compiling an overall record of 122–47–1 (.721). Nevada had a record of 9–7 in the I-AA playoffs during their time in the Big Sky and in 13 years of membership, the Wolf Pack won four conference titles (1983, 1986, 1990, 1991). Nevada made the National Championship game in 1990 and the quarterfinals in 1991. Nevada moved up in 1992.

So they never won a national title and only went past the qtrs once. Is that your point? Try harder.

You wrote that they were mediocre. Is that true though? .721 winning percentage. Try harder.

Nevada had 4 conference titles in 92. MSU had 8. Mid. Try harder.

Try harder...try harder...try harder... sheesh, sounds like 3rd graders. Next up, my dad can beat up your dad.

[Prodigal Cat]

Love the research AFCAT! Prodigal spouts opinions and platitudes and you counter with facts. Well done.

You're being far too generous to Prodigal. He spouts uninformed BS.

Not sure what I did to you but the informed FACTS are Nevada only made to past the qtrs and to the title game once during their entire 1-AA tenure. By no means a powerhouse. I didn't say they were bad. I said they were mid and its true. The Cats have had more success in just the last 3 years with semi's and a title game appearance. If winning % was the measure of success we probably should have kept Ash as coach. None of those are opinion or platitudes, they are facts.