Moving up

[PHAT CAT]

Stick a fork in the PAC-12. Big Ten is talking to Washington and Oregon. That would make 18 teams. They may also add CAL and Stanford make it 20. The commissioner of the PAC-12 should be tarred and feathered. What a knucklehead.

[tetoncat]

So they will end up with a west Big 10 and an east Big 10. Pac 12 teams that move still play each other but get a few rotating games with Eastern teams.

[PHAT CAT]

Plus around 50 million a season in TV cash, per team.

[BleedingBLue]

What an unbelievable case of mismanagement by the Pac-12. And this could make our chance of joining the MWC less likely. Why in the world did the Pac 12 not grab San Diego and Colorado State earlier? Now they face potentially being completely eliminated.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-big-te ... 34989.html

Pride goeth before the fall.

ASU, UA, and Utah will follow Colorado to the Big 12. Pac will fold and WSU and OSU will go to the MWC.

Rumors are Utah has been less than conversational with the Big 12 thus far. As a Utah fan, I will be extremely disappointed if they don't move and continue being cold toward the conference. Would be the dumbest thing a school has done thus far. I do know BYU still holds a grudeg against Utah for not going to bat for them when Utah moved to the Pac-12, and has done nothing to help Utah's case in moving. The Holy War is real.

It had nothing to do with Utah not going to bat for BYU. Cal and Stanford were never ever going to allow BYU in their conference. Utah will move to the Big 12 if the Pac implodes. Too bad, I wanted the Pac to survive in hopes they would grab some teams from the MWC to backfill, so the Cats and Griz may end up in the MWC. It is starting to look like like the Pac will be gone and the MWC may pick up WSU and OSU.

Utah not going to bat for BYU was a major part of the grudge they still hold. Utah wanted into a P5 and out of the MWC. BYU wanted the same but Utah felt they were better positioned to do so, an a superior choice. They also felt Colorado was a better Pac-12 member than BYU so they wouldn't lobby for BYU to get in. Sure, some other members of the Pac-12 may have blocked them in the long run, but Utah did nothing advocate for them, and BYU hasn't forgotten. They don't want Utah in the Big 12.

As for us moving up, I really hope it doesn't happen until/if/when there is a true playoff for the soon to be second tier of FBS.

[coachouert]

Plus around 50 million a season in TV cash, per team.

I’m not a numbers guy, but that’s seems pretty good.

[NavyBlue]

What an unbelievable case of mismanagement by the Pac-12. And this could make our chance of joining the MWC less likely. Why in the world did the Pac 12 not grab San Diego and Colorado State earlier? Now they face potentially being completely eliminated.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-big-te ... 34989.html

Pride goeth before the fall.

ASU, UA, and Utah will follow Colorado to the Big 12. Pac will fold and WSU and OSU will go to the MWC.

Rumors are Utah has been less than conversational with the Big 12 thus far. As a Utah fan, I will be extremely disappointed if they don't move and continue being cold toward the conference. Would be the dumbest thing a school has done thus far. I do know BYU still holds a grudeg against Utah for not going to bat for them when Utah moved to the Pac-12, and has done nothing to help Utah's case in moving. The Holy War is real.

It had nothing to do with Utah not going to bat for BYU. Cal and Stanford were never ever going to allow BYU in their conference. Utah will move to the Big 12 if the Pac implodes. Too bad, I wanted the Pac to survive in hopes they would grab some teams from the MWC to backfill, so the Cats and Griz may end up in the MWC. It is starting to look like like the Pac will be gone and the MWC may pick up WSU and OSU.

Utah not going to bat for BYU was a major part of the grudge they still hold. Utah wanted into a P5 and out of the MWC. BYU wanted the same but Utah felt they were better positioned to do so, an a superior choice. They also felt Colorado was a better Pac-12 member than BYU so they wouldn't lobby for BYU to get in. Sure, some other members of the Pac-12 may have blocked them in the long run, but Utah did nothing advocate for them, and BYU hasn't forgotten. They don't want Utah in the Big 12.

As for us moving up, I really hope it doesn't happen until/if/when there is a true playoff for the soon to be second tier of FBS.

You are WRONG. BYU wanted in the PAC since the 80's. The powers that be (mainly Cal and Stanford) didn't want a private religious school in the pac. This shouldn't even be a matter of debate. A simple google search would tell you that. BYU especially wasn't getting in after the Mormon Church's support of prop 8 years ago. The pac schools are LIBERAL the Mormon Church is CONSERVATIVE. Pac schools are research universities, BYU isn't. They didn't see BYU as a cultural fit. This is well known.

The pac wanted Texas and other Big 12 schools years ago. Texas wouldn't give up the Longhorn network and the deal fell apart. The Pac invited Colorado first and a few days later settled on Utah. Giving Utah partial revenue shares for thier first few years in the Pac. At the time, Utah was lucky to get into the Pac itself, it was in no position to lobby for BYU or anyone else. Utah didn't "go to bat" for BYU but it wouldn't matter if it had. I agree that the Pac should have added BYU but Cal and Stanford's academic snobbery disqualified most potential adds including BYU. Now the Pac may have to hold their noses and invite some "unworthy" schools.

After Utah went to the Power 5, BYU's own ego wouldn't let them be left behind and at that point went "independent" in football. They tried to park their other sports in the WAC which was on life-support and cooked up "the project" with Utah State. This was an attempt to allow BYU to be a member of the WAC for all sports but football. BYU's football would be independent but schedule games with the WAC. There were hopes that with BYU in the league the WAC could entice some MWC schools back to the WAC. The Utah president (already on the way to the Pac at this point) tipped off the MWC. The MWC invited Nevada and Fresno and "the project" fell apart. Then BYU joined the WCC for olympic sports and went independent in football. While Utah "didn't go to bat" for BYU may be technically true, it would matter if they had begged for BYU's admission to the Pac. BYU would not have been invited anyway. Go to "Cougarboard" and ask the BYU fans is they think Utah could have gotten them in the Pac.

[Bobcat Sig]

Whither the PAC-12. Bummer.

The Cats absolutely should move up to the MWC. Now, they can play in real stadiums with fan bases that care; not high school stadiums with tracks around them and barely 2k fans in attendance.

Besides, plane trips to San Diego to see our Cats play? Hell yes!

[coloradocat]

Unfortunately, with the PAC imploding, our chances of moving up diminish by the day. The MWC will likely take their leftovers rather than the PAC poaching MWC members, which means there won't be room for us.

[technoCat]

Unfortunately, with the PAC imploding, our chances of moving up diminish by the day. The MWC will likely take their leftovers rather than the PAC poaching MWC members, which means there won't be room for us.

Unless the MWC decides to go to 20 teams in anticipation of the P5 creating their own division.

[AFCAT]

Unfortunately, with the PAC imploding, our chances of moving up diminish by the day. The MWC will likely take their leftovers rather than the PAC poaching MWC members, which means there won't be room for us.

[The Butcher]

Can't help but wonder if there is a reality that the Montana and Dakota universities start a new FBS conference instead of joining an existing one.

[CelticCat]

Unfortunately, with the PAC imploding, our chances of moving up diminish by the day. The MWC will likely take their leftovers rather than the PAC poaching MWC members, which means there won't be room for us.

Unless the MWC decides to go to 20 teams in anticipation of the P5 creating their own division.

I think this is what the MWC should do, they have an opportunity to be aggressive and take the best of the rest in the west, including FCS, get up to 18-10 schools and split into two divisions.

[coloradocat]

Unfortunately, with the PAC imploding, our chances of moving up diminish by the day. The MWC will likely take their leftovers rather than the PAC poaching MWC members, which means there won't be room for us.

Unless the MWC decides to go to 20 teams in anticipation of the P5 creating their own division.

I think this is what the MWC should do, they have an opportunity to be aggressive and take the best of the rest in the west, including FCS, get up to 18-10 schools and split into two divisions.

Who holds their media rights? Would there be an appetite on their part for a mega-G5 conference in the west?

[CelticCat]

Or... the remaining Pac members try to convince ... Wyoming, Colorado State, and ... Air Force? to join.

Ugly mess, pretty sad to see the Pac gutted and on the verge of collapse.

[MSUBRONCO]

Dawgs and ducks officially have big 10 invites

[imacat]

https://pistolsfiringblog.com/report-ar ... he-big-12/

Arizona already has one foot out of the door.

[GoldstoneCat]

Unfortunately, with the PAC imploding, our chances of moving up diminish by the day. The MWC will likely take their leftovers rather than the PAC poaching MWC members, which means there won't be room for us.

Agree with this in the near term at least. Our better shot was if the pac held and took the top of the MWC. Not sure now unless like others said you go for a 24 team G5 "best of the rest in the west" type thing and hope for a P5 split off.

[MSUBRONCO]

Long shot but does pac 12 get desperate to survive and take FCS teams? Proapbly not just popped in head for second

[coloradocat]

Long shot but does pac 12 get desperate to survive and take FCS teams? Proapbly not just popped in head for second

I think they just fold. They fell apart because they couldn't get a good enough tv contract. MWC and FCS teams would only make that situation worse. The leftovers will probably combine with the MWC and try to get them to change the name (Mountain Pacific Conference?). Our best hope is they go for a Great West-type conference and add us and the DSUs.

[coloradocat]

I feel like it's even less likely any FCS teams west of the Mississippi move up to the FBS now. There's carnage in the P5 and the G5 will probably want to at a minimum hold steady, of not consolidate, in order to not dilute their coffers relative to the big boys any further.