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[BleedingBLue]

I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.

Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right.

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one.

Ah yes a list from June 30th is super relevant in a discussion about who the best RB is this season when its nearly Nov. I mean Julius is number 10 and he hasn't taken a snap.

Seriously though, if debating who is a better RB is "silly" or "a waste of time" what are you doing here? That's kinda exactly what goes on in a message board.

A running back has to do more than run the ball. Scottre has 952 yards of offense - 952 yards rushing (4th in the nation), ZERO receiving (last in the nation). Larison has 1,357 yards of offense - 821 rushing (8th in the nation), 536 Receiving (26th in the nation). I'm not saying Scottre is bad, not good, whatever. He is a fantastic runner. Larison is a fantastic all-around back.

We already had this debate but i'll give it another go. Larison has 100 more touches than Scottre so of course LL has more yards. If the Cats were in closer games I have zero doubt that SH would have significantly more yards. It's not Scottre's fault (well some of it is) that the Cats are blowing out teams and he has almost no touches the second half of games, or that they have a ton of depth at RB and a plethora of other weapons. The debate was started by which player should be higher in Phil Steels midseason all american rankings and by what I've watched Scottre is a better back even without catching the ball. He gets more defenders to miss, turns bad plays into good ones (last week was just the 2nd time he had been tackled for a loss this season and its not JUST because of the O-line, a LOT of defenders had him and missed), and he just trucks guys.
The number 1 RB in the NFL right now is Derrick Henry and he catches he ball once or less per game. So catching the ball might make you a different type of back, it doesn't automatically make you a better one.

I get what you're saying, but a guy like Scottre isn't going to be higher on an All-American list than a guy like Larison. Scottre is probably a better runner, but he isn't a better all around back, he can't be when he doesn't catch the ball. Larison is a do it all weapon for Davis. We havent asked Scottre to be, so assuming he could be but we dont use him that way is goofy. Larison should absolutely be higher on the All-American list.

When healthy Christian Mccafrey is the best RB in the league, not Derick Henry. I'd take Aaron Jones over Henry too. Henry does one thing well, the other two do it all well.

[Hawks86]

Running Back.

[Prodigal Cat]

Running Back.

[Prodigal Cat]

I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.

Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right.

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one.

Ah yes a list from June 30th is super relevant in a discussion about who the best RB is this season when its nearly Nov. I mean Julius is number 10 and he hasn't taken a snap.

Seriously though, if debating who is a better RB is "silly" or "a waste of time" what are you doing here? That's kinda exactly what goes on in a message board.

A running back has to do more than run the ball. Scottre has 952 yards of offense - 952 yards rushing (4th in the nation), ZERO receiving (last in the nation). Larison has 1,357 yards of offense - 821 rushing (8th in the nation), 536 Receiving (26th in the nation). I'm not saying Scottre is bad, not good, whatever. He is a fantastic runner. Larison is a fantastic all-around back.

We already had this debate but i'll give it another go. Larison has 100 more touches than Scottre so of course LL has more yards. If the Cats were in closer games I have zero doubt that SH would have significantly more yards. It's not Scottre's fault (well some of it is) that the Cats are blowing out teams and he has almost no touches the second half of games, or that they have a ton of depth at RB and a plethora of other weapons. The debate was started by which player should be higher in Phil Steels midseason all american rankings and by what I've watched Scottre is a better back even without catching the ball. He gets more defenders to miss, turns bad plays into good ones (last week was just the 2nd time he had been tackled for a loss this season and its not JUST because of the O-line, a LOT of defenders had him and missed), and he just trucks guys.
The number 1 RB in the NFL right now is Derrick Henry and he catches he ball once or less per game. So catching the ball might make you a different type of back, it doesn't automatically make you a better one.

Ahem. Henry is leading the league in rushing yards. That does not mean he’s the #1 back in the league. Jordan Mason has more rushing yards than Josh Jacobs, but Jacobs is better than Mason.

Ok if your arguing that Henry is not the best back in the league you can GTFO and you counterfeit anything you say from here on out. Dude is a freight train disguised as a human.

[syvie5]

Opinions are like "assholes", everyone has one!

[110010110]

Opinions are like "assholes", everyone has one!

And most of them stink

[tdub]

Running Back.

Then I guess Connor Moore isn’t as good because he doesn’t tackle anyone….

[94VegasCat]

Is it Humphreys fault that Mellott doesn’t need to check down and throw to him? How many times has Mellot targeted him?

[Monymony]

Lan is their whole offense. If we built an offense around Scotty he would have insane stats.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.

Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right.

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one.

Ah yes a list from June 30th is super relevant in a discussion about who the best RB is this season when its nearly Nov. I mean Julius is number 10 and he hasn't taken a snap.

Seriously though, if debating who is a better RB is "silly" or "a waste of time" what are you doing here? That's kinda exactly what goes on in a message board.

A running back has to do more than run the ball. Scottre has 952 yards of offense - 952 yards rushing (4th in the nation), ZERO receiving (last in the nation). Larison has 1,357 yards of offense - 821 rushing (8th in the nation), 536 Receiving (26th in the nation). I'm not saying Scottre is bad, not good, whatever. He is a fantastic runner. Larison is a fantastic all-around back.

We already had this debate but i'll give it another go. Larison has 100 more touches than Scottre so of course LL has more yards. If the Cats were in closer games I have zero doubt that SH would have significantly more yards. It's not Scottre's fault (well some of it is) that the Cats are blowing out teams and he has almost no touches the second half of games, or that they have a ton of depth at RB and a plethora of other weapons. The debate was started by which player should be higher in Phil Steels midseason all american rankings and by what I've watched Scottre is a better back even without catching the ball. He gets more defenders to miss, turns bad plays into good ones (last week was just the 2nd time he had been tackled for a loss this season and its not JUST because of the O-line, a LOT of defenders had him and missed), and he just trucks guys.
The number 1 RB in the NFL right now is Derrick Henry and he catches he ball once or less per game. So catching the ball might make you a different type of back, it doesn't automatically make you a better one.

Ahem. Henry is leading the league in rushing yards. That does not mean he’s the #1 back in the league. Jordan Mason has more rushing yards than Josh Jacobs, but Jacobs is better than Mason.

Ok if your arguing that Henry is not the best back in the league you can GTFO and you counterfeit anything you say from here on out. Dude is a freight train disguised as a human.

I’m just pointing out you have a faulty argument.

[tdub]

Lan is their whole offense. If we built an offense around Scotty he would have insane stats.

I disagree. If it was built around him then defenses would key on him, making life much more difficult for him. Just look to Ifanse for an example. His career yards per carry was 5.9. Scottre is at 7.6 this year. To me that’s part of what makes Larison (and Ifanse) so impressive is that everyone knows he’s the main dude in the offense and still he puts up good numbers. Ifanse ran in an offense that was primarily inside zone. The current offense is more outside zone oriented. Is Scottre better than Ifanse, MSU’s all time rushing leader? There are so many multiples in the MSU offense now, which helps every playmaker MSU has.

This whole debate is silly to me. Both are excellent players, playing in different offenses with different personnel. Larison has earned the praise he’s gotten now over multiple years. Scottre is less than a season into becoming the #1 RB.

[St George]

And if Perkins and Davis had been playing the Bobcats would have two more on that list.

[Prodigal Cat]

I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.

Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right.

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one.

Ah yes a list from June 30th is super relevant in a discussion about who the best RB is this season when its nearly Nov. I mean Julius is number 10 and he hasn't taken a snap.

Seriously though, if debating who is a better RB is "silly" or "a waste of time" what are you doing here? That's kinda exactly what goes on in a message board.

A running back has to do more than run the ball. Scottre has 952 yards of offense - 952 yards rushing (4th in the nation), ZERO receiving (last in the nation). Larison has 1,357 yards of offense - 821 rushing (8th in the nation), 536 Receiving (26th in the nation). I'm not saying Scottre is bad, not good, whatever. He is a fantastic runner. Larison is a fantastic all-around back.

We already had this debate but i'll give it another go. Larison has 100 more touches than Scottre so of course LL has more yards. If the Cats were in closer games I have zero doubt that SH would have significantly more yards. It's not Scottre's fault (well some of it is) that the Cats are blowing out teams and he has almost no touches the second half of games, or that they have a ton of depth at RB and a plethora of other weapons. The debate was started by which player should be higher in Phil Steels midseason all american rankings and by what I've watched Scottre is a better back even without catching the ball. He gets more defenders to miss, turns bad plays into good ones (last week was just the 2nd time he had been tackled for a loss this season and its not JUST because of the O-line, a LOT of defenders had him and missed), and he just trucks guys.
The number 1 RB in the NFL right now is Derrick Henry and he catches he ball once or less per game. So catching the ball might make you a different type of back, it doesn't automatically make you a better one.

Ahem. Henry is leading the league in rushing yards. That does not mean he’s the #1 back in the league. Jordan Mason has more rushing yards than Josh Jacobs, but Jacobs is better than Mason.

Ok if your arguing that Henry is not the best back in the league you can GTFO and you counterfeit anything you say from here on out. Dude is a freight train disguised as a human.

I’m just pointing out you have a faulty argument.

Except I don't. Nearly everyone who measures this has Henry as the #1 back in the NFL and not just because he has the most yards. It's based on a host of things like broken tackles, expected yards per play, etc. Further I am arguing the Scottre is the best back DESPITE not having the most total yards for those same reasons.

[Cledus]

I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.

Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right.

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one.

Ah yes a list from June 30th is super relevant in a discussion about who the best RB is this season when its nearly Nov. I mean Julius is number 10 and he hasn't taken a snap.

Seriously though, if debating who is a better RB is "silly" or "a waste of time" what are you doing here? That's kinda exactly what goes on in a message board.

A running back has to do more than run the ball. Scottre has 952 yards of offense - 952 yards rushing (4th in the nation), ZERO receiving (last in the nation). Larison has 1,357 yards of offense - 821 rushing (8th in the nation), 536 Receiving (26th in the nation). I'm not saying Scottre is bad, not good, whatever. He is a fantastic runner. Larison is a fantastic all-around back.

We already had this debate but i'll give it another go. Larison has 100 more touches than Scottre so of course LL has more yards. If the Cats were in closer games I have zero doubt that SH would have significantly more yards. It's not Scottre's fault (well some of it is) that the Cats are blowing out teams and he has almost no touches the second half of games, or that they have a ton of depth at RB and a plethora of other weapons. The debate was started by which player should be higher in Phil Steels midseason all american rankings and by what I've watched Scottre is a better back even without catching the ball. He gets more defenders to miss, turns bad plays into good ones (last week was just the 2nd time he had been tackled for a loss this season and its not JUST because of the O-line, a LOT of defenders had him and missed), and he just trucks guys.
The number 1 RB in the NFL right now is Derrick Henry and he catches he ball once or less per game. So catching the ball might make you a different type of back, it doesn't automatically make you a better one.

Along the same lines, but looking at it from a different angle, Larison has 65% of UCD's carries and Humphrey has 34% of MSU's carries. UCD has run more plays than MSU, 580 to 476 for MSU. When considering the play mix between pass-run, Larison is getting 29 carries for every 100 plays, while Humphrey is getting 23 carries for every 100 plays. That narrows the carries gap a bit. But it seems like Humphrey's getting a lot more mileage out of each of his carries without getting too deep into the details.

I think the next layer of analysis would be to find a way to measure each team's offensive line. Yes, we all believe MSU's is superior but that's just the eye test. I have thoughts about how to measure it, but it's too much time to fit in with everything else I have going on right now.

[Prodigal Cat]

Lan is their whole offense. If we built an offense around Scotty he would have insane stats.

I disagree. If it was built around him then defenses would key on him, making life much more difficult for him. Just look to Ifanse for an example. His career yards per carry was 5.9. Scottre is at 7.6 this year. To me that’s part of what makes Larison (and Ifanse) so impressive is that everyone knows he’s the main dude in the offense and still he puts up good numbers. Ifanse ran in an offense that was primarily inside zone. The current offense is more outside zone oriented. Is Scottre better than Ifanse, MSU’s all time rushing leader? There are so many multiples in the MSU offense now, which helps every playmaker MSU has.

This whole debate is silly to me. Both are excellent players, playing in different offenses with different personnel. Larison has earned the praise he’s gotten now over multiple years. Scottre is less than a season into becoming the #1 RB.

Lan really isn't their offense. He was last season, at least more so. Hastings is throwing for 314 yards per game on average. They've been chucking it downfield a lot. Defenses loosen up and play more with Safeties staying back so they swing pass out to LL or run him with soft boxes. Maybe he's opening things up downfield but I really have been seeing it work the other way. The aggies start out passing and then mix in Larison.

[BleedingBLue]

Lan is their whole offense. If we built an offense around Scotty he would have insane stats.

All-American accolades aren't about what-ifs.