Next year's QB

[Cataholic]

As much as I hate to say it there is also a chance Vigen gets hired away after this year and takes his son with him. I'll go now and wash my mouth out with soap.

He was offered after last season but stayed at MSU. I don’t believe he is a coaching vagabond that Choate is. That’s not to say Vigen won’t leave someday, I just think it will be a few more years. Money talks though.

Was Vigen offered a job elsewhere last season?

[catatac]

Vigen is certainly recruiting like a coach who is planning to stick around for a while. I'm sure there could always be an offer too good to pass up but I can't see him bolting for the first crappy FBS rebuilding project that becomes available.

I don't really understand what that means, but I'd love it if Vigen decided to stick around for several years! I think he's a damn good HC.

[MSU01]

Vigen is certainly recruiting like a coach who is planning to stick around for a while. I'm sure there could always be an offer too good to pass up but I can't see him bolting for the first crappy FBS rebuilding project that becomes available.

I don't really understand what that means, but I'd love it if Vigen decided to stick around for several years! I think he's a damn good HC.

Lots of high school players and not many transfer portal guys. To me he's building for the long term and not going all in one year at a time with a bunch of transfers.

[bobcatbob]

My take on the young Vigen is that he’s got a strong arm and is very smart; grew up learning the game from the moment he could walk. But he’s not mobile enough to fit in the current offense. That’s why Jordan Reed slipped to third string. Now, if OC Walker was to move on, then maybe Vigen has a chance to play QB, but his best bet as a Bobcat is tight end.

It’s my belief Reed slipped mostly because of his throwing and decision making, he actually is pretty mobile. Personally I never bought the idea that he was a great thrower with a big arm, I never once saw that in practice or gameselse. .

He has an amazing arm and throws a beautiful ball. Effortlessly. When they warm up side by side and follow each other there’s a striking difference between him and everyone else. Not that anyone looks bad, he’s just different. “If” he can get the rest down he’s going to be good.

Yes, IF he can get the rest down he’s going to be good. Big if. It appears Chance has surpassed him. Will be an interesting Spring and Fall camp.

[onceacat]

Vigen is certainly recruiting like a coach who is planning to stick around for a while. I'm sure there could always be an offer too good to pass up but I can't see him bolting for the first crappy FBS rebuilding project that becomes available.

This. Choate already had his feelers out for his next job when he inked the contract to move to Bozeman. He took a position coach job, which was really barely a step up from his DL job at Washington. Then his "big break" was to Nevada. Ugh. Like thats super positive other than the money. ?

I don't see Vigen leaving for a position coach, and I don't see him really wanting to take on a turnaround project.

I know, I know, money talks and all that. But I have a hard time seeing him go the Mountain West route...and hes not getting a 'good' Power 4 job without winning a natty.

Choate took a position as co-DC at one of the richest programs in the country for around a million per year. It was clearly a step up. And then a head coach in the Mountain West which might have been the strongest G5 conference in the country. I’d say he has done pretty good for himself.

Financially, sure. Zero doubt. And, honestly, he could have been on a track to be an SEC DC if he stuck around.

But HC at 2-7 Nevada as a step up?

I dont think so. (If he can build a turnaround, maybe it will pay out...but UNR Wolfpack is a financial step up from MSU, but not a status step up)

[AFCAT]

As much as I hate to say it there is also a chance Vigen gets hired away after this year and takes his son with him. I'll go now and wash my mouth out with soap.

He was offered after last season but stayed at MSU. I don’t believe he is a coaching vagabond that Choate is. That’s not to say Vigen won’t leave someday, I just think it will be a few more years. Money talks though.

Was Vigen offered a job elsewhere last season?

Yes, it’s been mentioned here before.

[TomCat88]

My take on the young Vigen is that he’s got a strong arm and is very smart; grew up learning the game from the moment he could walk. But he’s not mobile enough to fit in the current offense. That’s why Jordan Reed slipped to third string. Now, if OC Walker was to move on, then maybe Vigen has a chance to play QB, but his best bet as a Bobcat is tight end.

It’s my belief Reed slipped mostly because of his throwing and decision making, he actually is pretty mobile. Personally I never bought the idea that he was a great thrower with a big arm, I never once saw that in practice or gameselse. .

He has an amazing arm and throws a beautiful ball. Effortlessly. When they warm up side by side and follow each other there’s a striking difference between him and everyone else. Not that anyone looks bad, he’s just different. “If” he can get the rest down he’s going to be good.

Yes, IF he can get the rest down he’s going to be good. Big if. It appears Chance has surpassed him. Will be an interesting Spring and Fall camp.

Just making sure that people don’t start thinking he can’t throw the ball well. That’s definitely not the problem.

[lutecat]

Vigen is certainly recruiting like a coach who is planning to stick around for a while. I'm sure there could always be an offer too good to pass up but I can't see him bolting for the first crappy FBS rebuilding project that becomes available.

This. Choate already had his feelers out for his next job when he inked the contract to move to Bozeman. He took a position coach job, which was really barely a step up from his DL job at Washington. Then his "big break" was to Nevada. Ugh. Like thats super positive other than the money. ?

I don't see Vigen leaving for a position coach, and I don't see him really wanting to take on a turnaround project.

I know, I know, money talks and all that. But I have a hard time seeing him go the Mountain West route...and hes not getting a 'good' Power 4 job without winning a natty.

Choate took a position as co-DC at one of the richest programs in the country for around a million per year. It was clearly a step up. And then a head coach in the Mountain West which might have been the strongest G5 conference in the country. I’d say he has done pretty good for himself.

Financially, sure. Zero doubt. And, honestly, he could have been on a track to be an SEC DC if he stuck around.

But HC at 2-7 Nevada as a step up?

I dont think so. (If he can build a turnaround, maybe it will pay out...but UNR Wolfpack is a financial step up from MSU, but not a status step up)

Texas is in the SEC so......

[lutecat]

It's funny to me that people say well GV isn't mobile....so make him a TE where he has to run? And by definition....be mobile.

Who's Tommy like more in the NFL? With speed and mobility. Lamar Jackson. Or Josh Allen? And I get that Josh Allen can run. But he's not putting up more running yards than passing yards ever in an NFL game. The point is we're in a level of college football where the OC tailors the offense to the strengths of his players. So if GV eventually becomes QB1, we're going to still see a ton a running the ball by rb's. And the passing will look sharp and good. And it will open up the play action.

[CodyCat]

7 games left. I'm not going to worry about it.

This is exactly how I feel too. Enjoy Tommy while we have him.

[Cataholic]

As much as I hate to say it there is also a chance Vigen gets hired away after this year and takes his son with him. I'll go now and wash my mouth out with soap.

He was offered after last season but stayed at MSU. I don’t believe he is a coaching vagabond that Choate is. That’s not to say Vigen won’t leave someday, I just think it will be a few more years. Money talks though.

Was Vigen offered a job elsewhere last season?

Yes, it’s been mentioned here before.

Not being argumentative, but I genuinely don’t recall. Where?

[Cataholic]

Vigen is certainly recruiting like a coach who is planning to stick around for a while. I'm sure there could always be an offer too good to pass up but I can't see him bolting for the first crappy FBS rebuilding project that becomes available.

This. Choate already had his feelers out for his next job when he inked the contract to move to Bozeman. He took a position coach job, which was really barely a step up from his DL job at Washington. Then his "big break" was to Nevada. Ugh. Like thats super positive other than the money. ?

I don't see Vigen leaving for a position coach, and I don't see him really wanting to take on a turnaround project.

I know, I know, money talks and all that. But I have a hard time seeing him go the Mountain West route...and hes not getting a 'good' Power 4 job without winning a natty.

Choate took a position as co-DC at one of the richest programs in the country for around a million per year. It was clearly a step up. And then a head coach in the Mountain West which might have been the strongest G5 conference in the country. I’d say he has done pretty good for himself.

Financially, sure. Zero doubt. And, honestly, he could have been on a track to be an SEC DC if he stuck around.

But HC at 2-7 Nevada as a step up?

I dont think so. (If he can build a turnaround, maybe it will pay out...but UNR Wolfpack is a financial step up from MSU, but not a status step up)

Texas is an SEC school. And I would definitely say that co-DC at Texas is a pretty big step up over head coach in the FCS. And the is is not the 1980’s. Head coach at Nevada in a G5 is an upgrade over head coach at MSU. That is not even an argument.

[coloradocat]

Vigen is certainly recruiting like a coach who is planning to stick around for a while. I'm sure there could always be an offer too good to pass up but I can't see him bolting for the first crappy FBS rebuilding project that becomes available.

This. Choate already had his feelers out for his next job when he inked the contract to move to Bozeman. He took a position coach job, which was really barely a step up from his DL job at Washington. Then his "big break" was to Nevada. Ugh. Like thats super positive other than the money. ?

I don't see Vigen leaving for a position coach, and I don't see him really wanting to take on a turnaround project.

I know, I know, money talks and all that. But I have a hard time seeing him go the Mountain West route...and hes not getting a 'good' Power 4 job without winning a natty.

Choate took a position as co-DC at one of the richest programs in the country for around a million per year. It was clearly a step up. And then a head coach in the Mountain West which might have been the strongest G5 conference in the country. I’d say he has done pretty good for himself.

Financially, sure. Zero doubt. And, honestly, he could have been on a track to be an SEC DC if he stuck around.

But HC at 2-7 Nevada as a step up?

I dont think so. (If he can build a turnaround, maybe it will pay out...but UNR Wolfpack is a financial step up from MSU, but not a status step up)

Texas is an SEC school. And I would definitely say that co-DC at Texas is a pretty big step up over head coach in the FCS. And the is is not the 1980’s. Head coach at Nevada in a G5 is an upgrade over head coach at MSU. That is not even an argument.

The argument may be that if he had just stayed at MSU and had similar success to Vigen he would have gotten the Nevada job anyway. Going to Texas was good for the bank account but didn't seem to advance his career. I'm sure he thought he'd have better opportunities than Reno when he left Bozeman for Austin but then again, Choate is impatient. Another year or two at Texas and he probably could have gotten a better job.

[onceacat]

Vigen is certainly recruiting like a coach who is planning to stick around for a while. I'm sure there could always be an offer too good to pass up but I can't see him bolting for the first crappy FBS rebuilding project that becomes available.

This. Choate already had his feelers out for his next job when he inked the contract to move to Bozeman. He took a position coach job, which was really barely a step up from his DL job at Washington. Then his "big break" was to Nevada. Ugh. Like thats super positive other than the money. ?

I don't see Vigen leaving for a position coach, and I don't see him really wanting to take on a turnaround project.

I know, I know, money talks and all that. But I have a hard time seeing him go the Mountain West route...and hes not getting a 'good' Power 4 job without winning a natty.

Choate took a position as co-DC at one of the richest programs in the country for around a million per year. It was clearly a step up. And then a head coach in the Mountain West which might have been the strongest G5 conference in the country. I’d say he has done pretty good for himself.

Financially, sure. Zero doubt. And, honestly, he could have been on a track to be an SEC DC if he stuck around.

But HC at 2-7 Nevada as a step up?

I dont think so. (If he can build a turnaround, maybe it will pay out...but UNR Wolfpack is a financial step up from MSU, but not a status step up)

Texas is an SEC school. And I would definitely say that co-DC at Texas is a pretty big step up over head coach in the FCS. And the is is not the 1980’s. Head coach at Nevada in a G5 is an upgrade over head coach at MSU. That is not even an argument.

Why, yes. Texas is an SEC school. But Choate wasn't going to be DC there, which is why he went looking for another job. And position coach at Texas was not a meaningful step up from being a position coach at UW, other than the meaningless co-DC title.

Nevada IS NOT a clear step up from MSU in any meaningful way other than salary. (Which is a big one, admittedly) They are something like 5-30 over the last 3 seasons & struggle to put 15k fans in the stands.

FBS position coach to top tier FCS head coach to FBS position coach to bottom tier FBS coach.

Thats not a clear upwards career trajectory.

I think Vigen understands that having watched Bohl struggle at Wyoming.

Which is why I think he will stick around at least long enough to win a natty before he starts looking for a promotion.

Unless of course a really good job comes up. But hes not leaving to be a position coach in the SEC or a head coach for a bad team in the Mountain West.

[onceacat]

Vigen is certainly recruiting like a coach who is planning to stick around for a while. I'm sure there could always be an offer too good to pass up but I can't see him bolting for the first crappy FBS rebuilding project that becomes available.

This. Choate already had his feelers out for his next job when he inked the contract to move to Bozeman. He took a position coach job, which was really barely a step up from his DL job at Washington. Then his "big break" was to Nevada. Ugh. Like thats super positive other than the money. ?

I don't see Vigen leaving for a position coach, and I don't see him really wanting to take on a turnaround project.

I know, I know, money talks and all that. But I have a hard time seeing him go the Mountain West route...and hes not getting a 'good' Power 4 job without winning a natty.

Choate took a position as co-DC at one of the richest programs in the country for around a million per year. It was clearly a step up. And then a head coach in the Mountain West which might have been the strongest G5 conference in the country. I’d say he has done pretty good for himself.

Financially, sure. Zero doubt. And, honestly, he could have been on a track to be an SEC DC if he stuck around.

But HC at 2-7 Nevada as a step up?

I dont think so. (If he can build a turnaround, maybe it will pay out...but UNR Wolfpack is a financial step up from MSU, but not a status step up)

Texas is an SEC school. And I would definitely say that co-DC at Texas is a pretty big step up over head coach in the FCS. And the is is not the 1980’s. Head coach at Nevada in a G5 is an upgrade over head coach at MSU. That is not even an argument.

The argument may be that if he had just stayed at MSU and had similar success to Vigen he would have gotten the Nevada job anyway. Going to Texas was good for the bank account but didn't seem to advance his career. I'm sure he thought he'd have better opportunities than Reno when he left Bozeman for Austin but then again, Choate is impatient. Another year or two at Texas and he probably could have gotten a better job.

Yeah, he'd be in the running for a good G5 coaching job or a top tier DC job if he were coaching the Longhorns this year.

He could have had the Nevada job when he left Washington 10 years ago.

[Cataholic]

Vigen is certainly recruiting like a coach who is planning to stick around for a while. I'm sure there could always be an offer too good to pass up but I can't see him bolting for the first crappy FBS rebuilding project that becomes available.

This. Choate already had his feelers out for his next job when he inked the contract to move to Bozeman. He took a position coach job, which was really barely a step up from his DL job at Washington. Then his "big break" was to Nevada. Ugh. Like thats super positive other than the money. ?

I don't see Vigen leaving for a position coach, and I don't see him really wanting to take on a turnaround project.

I know, I know, money talks and all that. But I have a hard time seeing him go the Mountain West route...and hes not getting a 'good' Power 4 job without winning a natty.

Choate took a position as co-DC at one of the richest programs in the country for around a million per year. It was clearly a step up. And then a head coach in the Mountain West which might have been the strongest G5 conference in the country. I’d say he has done pretty good for himself.

Financially, sure. Zero doubt. And, honestly, he could have been on a track to be an SEC DC if he stuck around.

But HC at 2-7 Nevada as a step up?

I dont think so. (If he can build a turnaround, maybe it will pay out...but UNR Wolfpack is a financial step up from MSU, but not a status step up)

Texas is an SEC school. And I would definitely say that co-DC at Texas is a pretty big step up over head coach in the FCS. And the is is not the 1980’s. Head coach at Nevada in a G5 is an upgrade over head coach at MSU. That is not even an argument.

The argument may be that if he had just stayed at MSU and had similar success to Vigen he would have gotten the Nevada job anyway. Going to Texas was good for the bank account but didn't seem to advance his career. I'm sure he thought he'd have better opportunities than Reno when he left Bozeman for Austin but then again, Choate is impatient. Another year or two at Texas and he probably could have gotten a better job.

Yeah, he'd be in the running for a good G5 coaching job or a top tier DC job if he were coaching the Longhorns this year.

He could have had the Nevada job when he left Washington 10 years ago.

I’m sorry man, but you are so far off on the last comment that it is not worth discussing.

[MSU01]

I thought Chance Wilson had another nice game today, not many chances to pass the ball but he looked good when he did.

[coloradocat]

Vigen is certainly recruiting like a coach who is planning to stick around for a while. I'm sure there could always be an offer too good to pass up but I can't see him bolting for the first crappy FBS rebuilding project that becomes available.

This. Choate already had his feelers out for his next job when he inked the contract to move to Bozeman. He took a position coach job, which was really barely a step up from his DL job at Washington. Then his "big break" was to Nevada. Ugh. Like thats super positive other than the money. ?

I don't see Vigen leaving for a position coach, and I don't see him really wanting to take on a turnaround project.

I know, I know, money talks and all that. But I have a hard time seeing him go the Mountain West route...and hes not getting a 'good' Power 4 job without winning a natty.

Choate took a position as co-DC at one of the richest programs in the country for around a million per year. It was clearly a step up. And then a head coach in the Mountain West which might have been the strongest G5 conference in the country. I’d say he has done pretty good for himself.

Financially, sure. Zero doubt. And, honestly, he could have been on a track to be an SEC DC if he stuck around.

But HC at 2-7 Nevada as a step up?

I dont think so. (If he can build a turnaround, maybe it will pay out...but UNR Wolfpack is a financial step up from MSU, but not a status step up)

Texas is an SEC school. And I would definitely say that co-DC at Texas is a pretty big step up over head coach in the FCS. And the is is not the 1980’s. Head coach at Nevada in a G5 is an upgrade over head coach at MSU. That is not even an argument.

The argument may be that if he had just stayed at MSU and had similar success to Vigen he would have gotten the Nevada job anyway. Going to Texas was good for the bank account but didn't seem to advance his career. I'm sure he thought he'd have better opportunities than Reno when he left Bozeman for Austin but then again, Choate is impatient. Another year or two at Texas and he probably could have gotten a better job.

Yeah, he'd be in the running for a good G5 coaching job or a top tier DC job if he were coaching the Longhorns this year.

He could have had the Nevada job when he left Washington 10 years ago.

I’m sorry man, but you are so far off on the last comment that it is not worth discussing.

Thanks for bowing out. I guess we'll just continue the discussion without you.

[MSU01]

Vigen is certainly recruiting like a coach who is planning to stick around for a while. I'm sure there could always be an offer too good to pass up but I can't see him bolting for the first crappy FBS rebuilding project that becomes available.

This. Choate already had his feelers out for his next job when he inked the contract to move to Bozeman. He took a position coach job, which was really barely a step up from his DL job at Washington. Then his "big break" was to Nevada. Ugh. Like thats super positive other than the money. ?

I don't see Vigen leaving for a position coach, and I don't see him really wanting to take on a turnaround project.

I know, I know, money talks and all that. But I have a hard time seeing him go the Mountain West route...and hes not getting a 'good' Power 4 job without winning a natty.

Choate took a position as co-DC at one of the richest programs in the country for around a million per year. It was clearly a step up. And then a head coach in the Mountain West which might have been the strongest G5 conference in the country. I’d say he has done pretty good for himself.

Financially, sure. Zero doubt. And, honestly, he could have been on a track to be an SEC DC if he stuck around.

But HC at 2-7 Nevada as a step up?

I dont think so. (If he can build a turnaround, maybe it will pay out...but UNR Wolfpack is a financial step up from MSU, but not a status step up)

Texas is an SEC school. And I would definitely say that co-DC at Texas is a pretty big step up over head coach in the FCS. And the is is not the 1980’s. Head coach at Nevada in a G5 is an upgrade over head coach at MSU. That is not even an argument.

The argument may be that if he had just stayed at MSU and had similar success to Vigen he would have gotten the Nevada job anyway. Going to Texas was good for the bank account but didn't seem to advance his career. I'm sure he thought he'd have better opportunities than Reno when he left Bozeman for Austin but then again, Choate is impatient. Another year or two at Texas and he probably could have gotten a better job.

Yeah, he'd be in the running for a good G5 coaching job or a top tier DC job if he were coaching the Longhorns this year.

He could have had the Nevada job when he left Washington 10 years ago.

I’m sorry man, but you are so far off on the last comment that it is not worth discussing.

Thanks for bowing out. I guess we'll just continue the discussion without you.

Or maybe we should discuss the original thread topic since Jeff Choate will NOT be MSU's quarterback in 2025. Just a thought.

[coloradocat]

Vigen is certainly recruiting like a coach who is planning to stick around for a while. I'm sure there could always be an offer too good to pass up but I can't see him bolting for the first crappy FBS rebuilding project that becomes available.

This. Choate already had his feelers out for his next job when he inked the contract to move to Bozeman. He took a position coach job, which was really barely a step up from his DL job at Washington. Then his "big break" was to Nevada. Ugh. Like thats super positive other than the money. ?

I don't see Vigen leaving for a position coach, and I don't see him really wanting to take on a turnaround project.

I know, I know, money talks and all that. But I have a hard time seeing him go the Mountain West route...and hes not getting a 'good' Power 4 job without winning a natty.

Choate took a position as co-DC at one of the richest programs in the country for around a million per year. It was clearly a step up. And then a head coach in the Mountain West which might have been the strongest G5 conference in the country. I’d say he has done pretty good for himself.

Financially, sure. Zero doubt. And, honestly, he could have been on a track to be an SEC DC if he stuck around.

But HC at 2-7 Nevada as a step up?

I dont think so. (If he can build a turnaround, maybe it will pay out...but UNR Wolfpack is a financial step up from MSU, but not a status step up)

Texas is an SEC school. And I would definitely say that co-DC at Texas is a pretty big step up over head coach in the FCS. And the is is not the 1980’s. Head coach at Nevada in a G5 is an upgrade over head coach at MSU. That is not even an argument.

The argument may be that if he had just stayed at MSU and had similar success to Vigen he would have gotten the Nevada job anyway. Going to Texas was good for the bank account but didn't seem to advance his career. I'm sure he thought he'd have better opportunities than Reno when he left Bozeman for Austin but then again, Choate is impatient. Another year or two at Texas and he probably could have gotten a better job.

Yeah, he'd be in the running for a good G5 coaching job or a top tier DC job if he were coaching the Longhorns this year.

He could have had the Nevada job when he left Washington 10 years ago.

I’m sorry man, but you are so far off on the last comment that it is not worth discussing.

Thanks for bowing out. I guess we'll just continue the discussion without you.

Or maybe we should discuss the original thread topic since Jeff Choate will NOT be MSU's quarterback in 2025. Just a thought.

Agreed!

Chance all the way.