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Re: Monday interviews - Idaho week.

Post by KIX » Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:40 pm

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Is anybody able to fine Jason Eck's Presser?
No, but I did watch Hauck’s and everyone must go watch it. Omg! The guy doesn’t care about his school, his fans(?), his family. What a deplorable way to represent yourself and he apparently doesn’t care how his aura affects anyone. I don’t see how anyone could possibly want to be associated with him.
It's even more striking when Hauck has two players sitting next to him who are actually giving respectful and thoughtful answers to the questions. Complete douchebag but he knows his job is safe for as long as he wants it so why make the effort, I guess. Vigen's press conference today was 25 minutes on his own, Bobby plus the two players was only 6!
Had to go watch after seeing these comments. Wow, just wow. What a prick. I'd hate to be a reporter trying to interview him. Vigen is a gentleman and an exceptional representative of MSU.
The two players with him, Ostmo and the DE, were looking at Huck throughout and completely embarrassed. Putz.



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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by cats2506 » Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:44 pm

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Outside of saying the wrong team won on Saturday, I don’t see the big deal out of his press conference. He’s blunt and doesn’t tolerate stupid questions. If I had to sit there and answer those things every week, I’d probably be a bit short too!
There’s a lot more to stupid questions than a lot of well-versed sports fans are aware of. Reporters often ask questions that they know the answer to but realize that the average fan doesn’t and is possibly wondering about. Fans/readers want to know what the coach has to say about it, not the media. At times a reporter will preface their question with something to that effect to make sure the coach understands why they are asking. (I have fans ask me questions that I can answer very easily for them. They seem like stupid questions, but the reality is that tons of other fans are wondering the same thing) Some coaches realize that’s what the reporter is doing because many coaches and reporters know each other well enough for the coach to know that. The stories are written for average fans to read. Most fans, including myself don’t know what a cover-2 is or a 13 formation is. I’ve been following sports for 50+ years and I still hear coaches say something that I had no idea about.
A lot of times I feel that the reporter is trying to put together a story about a certain subject (player, team, human interest point about upcoming game, etc.) and askes a question about said subject so that they can get a quote from the coach to include in the article. I agree that the dedicated fan most likely already knows about this but the casual fan doesn't.

One thing I like about Vigen (and Choate too) is that they often expand on the subject and I learn some insight to their thinking abut the subject that wasn't directly asked about. I also like to listen to these coaches pressers to get their take on upcoming teams, mostly its coach speak but you can usually tell what parts of the opposition they are concentrating on. My primary interest are the strategic layers and how they drill down to the matchups and tactical layers, that is basically what I love about football. Coaches are pretty good at keeping these things close to the vest, but they occasionally let something slip about where they may think they have an edge over the opposition.


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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by coloradocat » Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:56 pm

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Outside of saying the wrong team won on Saturday, I don’t see the big deal out of his press conference. He’s blunt and doesn’t tolerate stupid questions. If I had to sit there and answer those things every week, I’d probably be a bit short too!
There’s a lot more to stupid questions than a lot of well-versed sports fans are aware of. Reporters often ask questions that they know the answer to but realize that the average fan doesn’t and is possibly wondering about. Fans/readers want to know what the coach has to say about it, not the media. At times a reporter will preface their question with something to that effect to make sure the coach understands why they are asking. (I have fans ask me questions that I can answer very easily for them. They seem like stupid questions, but the reality is that tons of other fans are wondering the same thing) Some coaches realize that’s what the reporter is doing because many coaches and reporters know each other well enough for the coach to know that. The stories are written for average fans to read. Most fans, including myself don’t know what a cover-2 is or a 13 formation is. I’ve been following sports for 50+ years and I still hear coaches say something that I had no idea about.
I mean this in the kindest way possible, but I fail to see how somebody covering football could be ignorant to what Cover 2 or an 11, 12, 13, 10, formation is. It comes with the job to be well versed on what you’re covering. An AP report can give us what the coach says verbatim and stats. I want more than that from a reporter. It’s 2024, it’s never been easier to be well informed. It isn’t the coaches job to inform the general fan what’s what in a formation, the reporter can and should be able to talk schematic and parse it down to the general fan level.
Thank you for being the one to make this comment. This isn't the first time I've wanted to say something but have held back. It's directly related to my earlier comment, either in this thread or another one, about reporters vs journalists.


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Re: Monday interviews - Idaho week.

Post by coloradocat » Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:00 pm

KIX wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:40 pm
nanacat wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:57 pm
MSU01 wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:21 pm
iaafan wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:14 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:25 pm
Is anybody able to fine Jason Eck's Presser?
No, but I did watch Hauck’s and everyone must go watch it. Omg! The guy doesn’t care about his school, his fans(?), his family. What a deplorable way to represent yourself and he apparently doesn’t care how his aura affects anyone. I don’t see how anyone could possibly want to be associated with him.
It's even more striking when Hauck has two players sitting next to him who are actually giving respectful and thoughtful answers to the questions. Complete douchebag but he knows his job is safe for as long as he wants it so why make the effort, I guess. Vigen's press conference today was 25 minutes on his own, Bobby plus the two players was only 6!
Had to go watch after seeing these comments. Wow, just wow. What a prick. I'd hate to be a reporter trying to interview him. Vigen is a gentleman and an exceptional representative of MSU.
The two players with him, Ostmo and the DE, were looking at Huck throughout and completely embarrassed. Putz.
Sometimes I feel like they're thinking "we went through media training, didn't you?"


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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by saintcat40 » Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:15 pm

If any recruits ever watch any of Hauck’s or Vigen’s pressers, I would think that there is no question which guy you would want to play for. Bobby (even if it is just his persona as some claim) comes across as such a jerk.



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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by wbtfg » Tue Oct 08, 2024 5:50 pm

Just watched haucks presser. What a douche.


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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by rivercat » Tue Oct 08, 2024 6:04 pm

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Just watched haucks presser. What a douche.
Surprised the Pres and AD allow that behavior.


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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by TomCat88 » Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:30 pm

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Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:26 pm
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Outside of saying the wrong team won on Saturday, I don’t see the big deal out of his press conference. He’s blunt and doesn’t tolerate stupid questions. If I had to sit there and answer those things every week, I’d probably be a bit short too!
There’s a lot more to stupid questions than a lot of well-versed sports fans are aware of. Reporters often ask questions that they know the answer to but realize that the average fan doesn’t and is possibly wondering about. Fans/readers want to know what the coach has to say about it, not the media. At times a reporter will preface their question with something to that effect to make sure the coach understands why they are asking. (I have fans ask me questions that I can answer very easily for them. They seem like stupid questions, but the reality is that tons of other fans are wondering the same thing) Some coaches realize that’s what the reporter is doing because many coaches and reporters know each other well enough for the coach to know that. The stories are written for average fans to read. Most fans, including myself don’t know what a cover-2 is or a 13 formation is. I’ve been following sports for 50+ years and I still hear coaches say something that I had no idea about.
I mean this in the kindest way possible, but I fail to see how somebody covering football could be ignorant to what Cover 2 or an 11, 12, 13, 10, formation is. It comes with the job to be well versed on what you’re covering. An AP report can give us what the coach says verbatim and stats. I want more than that from a reporter. It’s 2024, it’s never been easier to be well informed. It isn’t the coaches job to inform the general fan what’s what in a formation, the reporter can and should be able to talk schematic and parse it down to the general fan level.
Don't worry, I don't think you're being unkind to me. I really don't think most sports fans care what formations there are, so I've never taken it upon myself to try to figure it out. I know I'm not going to write that into a story. "Mellott found Rohan Jones open because Idaho State was in a Cover-2." I don't think most fans would know why a Cover-2 was the wrong defense to be in. However, if I say "Mellott found Rohan Jones open after his fake handoff to Scottre Humphrey drew in the defense..." a lot more fans would understand what that means. I wouldn't want to say play-action fake but could probably get away with that as most readers would just glance over the 'play-action' part and see fake, then figure it out.

I don't know what 5-out or 4-out or hardly any of the base offenses are in basketball. I don't know what the hell is going on in hockey or soccer at all. I can only pick out a couple pitches as they come out of a pitcher's hand. I don't know what the difference between a suicide squeeze, squeeze bunt and a safety squeeze is. I've looked all that stuff up out of curiosity but have since forgotten it. Mostly I just have a vague understanding of what is going on in any sport in terms of the names of the plays, etc. I can pick out the obvious stuff though.

Just to answer your next question (why are you a sportswriter, Tom?): I follow sports for the fun of it. I don't really care who wins. I'm not very competitive at all and if someone is I usually just let them win. That's probably why I don't know all that much about sports. I don't take it very seriously and just try to make it fun. I'm a good skier, but I need someone else to pick out skis for me. I usually only ask one or two questions at a press conference, a lot of times I don't ask any. I know that someone else, and everyone else at the press conferences is actually doing it for a full-time job so I like to let them have the floor, will probably ask the question(s) that I'd ask. My biggest sports asset is making people feel better after they've lost. Some of my favorite teams have been teams that didn't win a game. Or teams that were the best team all year, then floundered in the playoffs.

If someone wants to know what all the formations in football are, like most things, they should probably just look it up on the internet. Youtube is proably great for that. I've done that but it's been so insignificant to me that I've forgotten, if I ever absorbed it, all of it.

(sorry, i got way off the subject)

Basically, a coach IMO should try to have a little fun with the press conferences and understand that media is just going to do a story for their readers and that they aren't lawyers or investigative reporters trying to find a "gotcha" moment.


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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by RickRund » Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:35 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:30 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:26 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:05 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:19 pm
Outside of saying the wrong team won on Saturday, I don’t see the big deal out of his press conference. He’s blunt and doesn’t tolerate stupid questions. If I had to sit there and answer those things every week, I’d probably be a bit short too!
There’s a lot more to stupid questions than a lot of well-versed sports fans are aware of. Reporters often ask questions that they know the answer to but realize that the average fan doesn’t and is possibly wondering about. Fans/readers want to know what the coach has to say about it, not the media. At times a reporter will preface their question with something to that effect to make sure the coach understands why they are asking. (I have fans ask me questions that I can answer very easily for them. They seem like stupid questions, but the reality is that tons of other fans are wondering the same thing) Some coaches realize that’s what the reporter is doing because many coaches and reporters know each other well enough for the coach to know that. The stories are written for average fans to read. Most fans, including myself don’t know what a cover-2 is or a 13 formation is. I’ve been following sports for 50+ years and I still hear coaches say something that I had no idea about.
I mean this in the kindest way possible, but I fail to see how somebody covering football could be ignorant to what Cover 2 or an 11, 12, 13, 10, formation is. It comes with the job to be well versed on what you’re covering. An AP report can give us what the coach says verbatim and stats. I want more than that from a reporter. It’s 2024, it’s never been easier to be well informed. It isn’t the coaches job to inform the general fan what’s what in a formation, the reporter can and should be able to talk schematic and parse it down to the general fan level.
Don't worry, I don't think you're being unkind to me. I really don't think most sports fans care what formations there are, so I've never taken it upon myself to try to figure it out. I know I'm not going to write that into a story. "Mellott found Rohan Jones open because Idaho State was in a Cover-2." I don't think most fans would know why a Cover-2 was the wrong defense to be in. However, if I say "Mellott found Rohan Jones open after his fake handoff to Scottre Humphrey drew in the defense..." a lot more fans would understand what that means. I wouldn't want to say play-action fake but could probably get away with that as most readers would just glance over the 'play-action' part and see fake, then figure it out.

I don't know what 5-out or 4-out or hardly any of the base offenses are in basketball. I don't know what the hell is going on in hockey or soccer at all. I can only pick out a couple pitches as they come out of a pitcher's hand. I don't know what the difference between a suicide squeeze, squeeze bunt and a safety squeeze is. I've looked all that stuff up out of curiosity but have since forgotten it. Mostly I just have a vague understanding of what is going on in any sport in terms of the names of the plays, etc. I can pick out the obvious stuff though.

Just to answer your next question (why are you a sportswriter, Tom?): I follow sports for the fun of it. I don't really care who wins. I'm not very competitive at all and if someone is I usually just let them win. That's probably why I don't know all that much about sports. I don't take it very seriously and just try to make it fun. I'm a good skier, but I need someone else to pick out skis for me. I usually only ask one or two questions at a press conference, a lot of times I don't ask any. I know that someone else, and everyone else at the press conferences is actually doing it for a full-time job so I like to let them have the floor, will probably ask the question(s) that I'd ask. My biggest sports asset is making people feel better after they've lost. Some of my favorite teams have been teams that didn't win a game. Or teams that were the best team all year, then floundered in the playoffs.

If someone wants to know what all the formations in football are, like most things, they should probably just look it up on the internet. Youtube is proably great for that. I've done that but it's been so insignificant to me that I've forgotten, if I ever absorbed it, all of it.

(sorry, i got way off the subject)

Basically, a coach IMO should try to have a little fun with the press conferences and understand that media is just going to do a story for their readers and that they aren't lawyers or investigative reporters trying to find a "gotcha" moment.
Great post Tomcat88...


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Post by Long Time Cat » Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:07 pm

Coach Eck is also a great interview and a great coach in my opinion. Which leads to one of my great sports fears. That Hauck will have a rotten year and retire and the gris hire Eck. It gives me nightmares to think what he could do with the resources the gris have.


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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:23 pm

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Coach Eck is also a great interview and a great coach in my opinion. Which leads to one of my great sports fears. That Hauck will have a rotten year and retire and the gris hire Eck. It gives me nightmares to think what he could do with the resources the gris have.
Funny enough, just had this talk with a friend of mine about the chances of Eck coming back to MSU.

We both decided that while we’d love it, there’s no reason for Eck to do it. Same would apply for him and UM. He’d have to get a significant raise, and I just don’t see it happening. There’s not enough incentive for him, even with MSU & UM being better programs than Idaho.



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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by rfischer94 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:40 am

Long Time Cat wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:07 pm
Coach Eck is also a great interview and a great coach in my opinion. Which leads to one of my great sports fears. That Hauck will have a rotten year and retire and the gris hire Eck. It gives me nightmares to think what he could do with the resources the gris have.
Well I'm going to sleep worse now... :lol: :lol: :lol:



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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by Bocephus » Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:26 pm

rfischer94 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:40 am
Long Time Cat wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:07 pm
Coach Eck is also a great interview and a great coach in my opinion. Which leads to one of my great sports fears. That Hauck will have a rotten year and retire and the gris hire Eck. It gives me nightmares to think what he could do with the resources the gris have.
Well I'm going to sleep worse now... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by Long Time Cat » Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:16 pm

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BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:23 pm
Long Time Cat wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:07 pm
Coach Eck is also a great interview and a great coach in my opinion. Which leads to one of my great sports fears. That Hauck will have a rotten year and retire and the gris hire Eck. It gives me nightmares to think what he could do with the resources the gris have.
Funny enough, just had this talk with a friend of mine about the chances of Eck coming back to MSU.

We both decided that while we’d love it, there’s no reason for Eck to do it. Same would apply for him and UM. He’d have to get a significant raise, and I just don’t see it happening. There’s not enough incentive for him, even with MSU & UM being better programs than Idaho.
You could be right. Kramer moved to MSU because he thought it was a move up and that worked out pretty well until he had the troubles he had. And while Idaho doesn’t have the resources of Montana, I’m sure they have more than Eastern Washington. I think if Eck can string three or four good years together he’s gone cause I just don’t know why you’d stay at Idaho. But even if it’s a slim possibility that he would take the gris job, it still a possibility so gives me nightmares.


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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by cats2506 » Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:46 am

Long Time Cat wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:16 pm
:(
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:23 pm
Long Time Cat wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:07 pm
Coach Eck is also a great interview and a great coach in my opinion. Which leads to one of my great sports fears. That Hauck will have a rotten year and retire and the gris hire Eck. It gives me nightmares to think what he could do with the resources the gris have.
Funny enough, just had this talk with a friend of mine about the chances of Eck coming back to MSU.

We both decided that while we’d love it, there’s no reason for Eck to do it. Same would apply for him and UM. He’d have to get a significant raise, and I just don’t see it happening. There’s not enough incentive for him, even with MSU & UM being better programs than Idaho.
You could be right. Kramer moved to MSU because he thought it was a move up and that worked out pretty well until he had the troubles he had. And while Idaho doesn’t have the resources of Montana, I’m sure they have more than Eastern Washington. I think if Eck can string three or four good years together he’s gone cause I just don’t know why you’d stay at Idaho. But even if it’s a slim possibility that he would take the gris job, it still a possibility so gives me nightmares.
gris fans would never accept a HC that has coached at both MSU and UI, it would just make their heads explode.


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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by Prodigal Cat » Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:58 am

cats2506 wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:46 am
Long Time Cat wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:16 pm
:(
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:23 pm
Long Time Cat wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:07 pm
Coach Eck is also a great interview and a great coach in my opinion. Which leads to one of my great sports fears. That Hauck will have a rotten year and retire and the gris hire Eck. It gives me nightmares to think what he could do with the resources the gris have.
Funny enough, just had this talk with a friend of mine about the chances of Eck coming back to MSU.

We both decided that while we’d love it, there’s no reason for Eck to do it. Same would apply for him and UM. He’d have to get a significant raise, and I just don’t see it happening. There’s not enough incentive for him, even with MSU & UM being better programs than Idaho.
You could be right. Kramer moved to MSU because he thought it was a move up and that worked out pretty well until he had the troubles he had. And while Idaho doesn’t have the resources of Montana, I’m sure they have more than Eastern Washington. I think if Eck can string three or four good years together he’s gone cause I just don’t know why you’d stay at Idaho. But even if it’s a slim possibility that he would take the gris job, it still a possibility so gives me nightmares.
gris fans would never accept a HC that has coached at both MSU and UI, it would just make their heads explode.
On the gris fan pod this week they were postulating that the defensive issues was Roger Cooper, former Cat, sabotaging from within. It was kinda tongue in cheek but not totally.


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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by Long Time Cat » Thu Oct 10, 2024 1:19 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:58 am
cats2506 wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:46 am
Long Time Cat wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:16 pm
:(
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:23 pm
Long Time Cat wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:07 pm
Coach Eck is also a great interview and a great coach in my opinion. Which leads to one of my great sports fears. That Hauck will have a rotten year and retire and the gris hire Eck. It gives me nightmares to think what he could do with the resources the gris have.
Funny enough, just had this talk with a friend of mine about the chances of Eck coming back to MSU.

We both decided that while we’d love it, there’s no reason for Eck to do it. Same would apply for him and UM. He’d have to get a significant raise, and I just don’t see it happening. There’s not enough incentive for him, even with MSU & UM being better programs than Idaho.
You could be right. Kramer moved to MSU because he thought it was a move up and that worked out pretty well until he had the troubles he had. And while Idaho doesn’t have the resources of Montana, I’m sure they have more than Eastern Washington. I think if Eck can string three or four good years together he’s gone cause I just don’t know why you’d stay at Idaho. But even if it’s a slim possibility that he would take the gris job, it still a possibility so gives me nightmares.
gris fans would never accept a HC that has coached at both MSU and UI, it would just make their heads explode.
On the gris fan pod this week they were postulating that the defensive issues was Roger Cooper, former Cat, sabotaging from within. It was kinda tongue in cheek but not totally.
If the defense doesn’t turn things around, certainly Cooper will be the scape goat. Since the other D coordinator is a Hauck I very much expect Cooper’s job to be on the line at the end of this season. Fairly or unfairly you got to blame somebody.


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Post by wbtfg » Fri Oct 11, 2024 3:14 pm

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I didn't realize Idaho had so few seniors in the starting lineup. Eck looks to be doing a good job of building a sustainable program.


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Re: Monday interviews and Depth chart - Idaho week.

Post by Prodigal Cat » Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:56 pm

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AFCAT wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:56 pm
I didn't realize Idaho had so few seniors in the starting lineup. Eck looks to be doing a good job of building a sustainable program.
2025 Idaho will be the odds on favorite to win the Big Sky. Cats will be second.


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