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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by MSU01 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:19 pm

luckyirishguy25 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:14 pm
MSU01 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:24 am
luckyirishguy25 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:13 am
MSU01 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:57 am
2015cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:44 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.

However, out of curiosity how many years in a row would the scenario you describe be acceptable before a change should be implemented? Honest question…
Say the TD wasn’t overturned vs SDSU and say the kick is good vs Idaho. Two things that the coaching staff don’t have a say in. How different do you look at this season and staff?
MSU is two plays away from being 10-1 instead of 8-3. Lost by a fraction of an inch at SDSU and had they made one more play against Idaho (Dowler's end zone drop, Hall's missed FGs) they very likely win that game too. Last year those breaks went in MSU's favor, namely the EWU game when Eastern fumbled when they led late and had the ball, and the first Weber game when aside from the four safeties they dropped a wide open fourth down pass while driving for the winning TD late.
But we didn't make those plays, and we're 8-3. Plus there's more to it than just oh we didn't make 2 plays. The offensive gameplan was sh*t against SDSU, it took until the final 2 minutes to open up the playbook. The offensive gameplan against Idaho sucked in the first half, then we went back to what we do and almost came back but again we didn't. The offensive gameplan against Montana again sucked ass, the week prior we threw all over EWU and their aggressive D but completely changed things up for UM. Even some of the games we won it was only because of depth and too much talent, the Offensive gameplan has been a problem in a lot of games this year, no Rythm and when they find it Housewright calls something cute and destroys it. Housewright has made me say WTF are you doing every game this year. He's a problem.
I think the criticism of the gameplan for the SDSU game is entirely valid, MSU got way too conservative and it cost them. Whether that was Vigen's decision or Housewright's or a combination of both, I don't know. But it isn't the first time they've done it, although the first time in the 2021 Weber game they still got the win. Personally I have no problem with the Idaho game from a coaching standpoint. There were multiple successful first half play calls that weren't executed by the players, and unfortunately those mistakes led to a massive ToP advantage for Idaho and a gassed MSU defense in the second half. The main point I was trying to make is that the margin between a 10-1 season and a 8-3 season is razor thin and can hinge on a few plays going one way or the other. For whatever reason the coordinators always take the brunt of criticism when things don't go well, I guess that's just how it will always be.
This is true, but the only passes, except 1 i think, were back shoulder fades... Why are we throwing low percentage passes on 3rd down.
Neither of the two key missed opportunities in the Idaho game were even on third down. On its opening possession MSU had a deep pass to McCullough on 2nd and 10 that hit him in the hands but wasn't caught, then on its last possession of the half they had the wide open TD bounce off Dowler's helmet on 1st and 10. These missed plays became more detrimental when Idaho had those very long possessions on offense and only allowed MSU to have three total offensive possessions in the first half. I am right there with you on the back shoulder fades, great play when they had Lance McCutcheon out there going up and catching them, but not so much anymore. If MSU is down 10-7 at the half in that game instead of 10-0, I think they would have won fairly easily with how dominant the offense was in the second half.



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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:23 pm

luckyirishguy25 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:11 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:38 am
MSU01 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:24 am
luckyirishguy25 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:13 am
MSU01 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:57 am
2015cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:44 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.

However, out of curiosity how many years in a row would the scenario you describe be acceptable before a change should be implemented? Honest question…
Say the TD wasn’t overturned vs SDSU and say the kick is good vs Idaho. Two things that the coaching staff don’t have a say in. How different do you look at this season and staff?
MSU is two plays away from being 10-1 instead of 8-3. Lost by a fraction of an inch at SDSU and had they made one more play against Idaho (Dowler's end zone drop, Hall's missed FGs) they very likely win that game too. Last year those breaks went in MSU's favor, namely the EWU game when Eastern fumbled when they led late and had the ball, and the first Weber game when aside from the four safeties they dropped a wide open fourth down pass while driving for the winning TD late.
But we didn't make those plays, and we're 8-3. Plus there's more to it than just oh we didn't make 2 plays. The offensive gameplan was sh*t against SDSU, it took until the final 2 minutes to open up the playbook. The offensive gameplan against Idaho sucked in the first half, then we went back to what we do and almost came back but again we didn't. The offensive gameplan against Montana again sucked ass, the week prior we threw all over EWU and their aggressive D but completely changed things up for UM. Even some of the games we won it was only because of depth and too much talent, the Offensive gameplan has been a problem in a lot of games this year, no Rythm and when they find it Housewright calls something cute and destroys it. Housewright has made me say WTF are you doing every game this year. He's a problem.
I think the criticism of the gameplan for the SDSU game is entirely valid, MSU got way too conservative and it cost them. Whether that was Vigen's decision or Housewright's or a combination of both, I don't know. But it isn't the first time they've done it, although the first time in the 2021 Weber game they still got the win. Personally I have no problem with the Idaho game from a coaching standpoint. There were multiple successful first half play calls that weren't executed by the players, and unfortunately those mistakes led to a massive ToP advantage for Idaho and a gassed MSU defense in the second half. The main point I was trying to make is that the margin between a 10-1 season and a 8-3 season is razor thin and can hinge on a few plays going one way or the other. For whatever reason the coordinators always take the brunt of criticism when things don't go well, I guess that's just how it will always be.
Housewright didn’t coach against SDSU.

Vigen was too conservative. Housewright is too cute and isn’t conservative enough. The Bobcats would be undefeated if BN called plays. If you yell on the sideline you’re immature and an asshole. If you don’t yell on the sideline you don’t care enough.
SDSU was Housewright's first game back. You should change your name to knowitallBobcat.
My mistake, thought that was the one he missed. My apologies. I guess Housewright is both too conservative and too cute. ;)

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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:19 pm

luckyirishguy25 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:13 am
MSU01 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:57 am
2015cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:44 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.

However, out of curiosity how many years in a row would the scenario you describe be acceptable before a change should be implemented? Honest question…
Say the TD wasn’t overturned vs SDSU and say the kick is good vs Idaho. Two things that the coaching staff don’t have a say in. How different do you look at this season and staff?
MSU is two plays away from being 10-1 instead of 8-3. Lost by a fraction of an inch at SDSU and had they made one more play against Idaho (Dowler's end zone drop, Hall's missed FGs) they very likely win that game too. Last year those breaks went in MSU's favor, namely the EWU game when Eastern fumbled when they led late and had the ball, and the first Weber game when aside from the four safeties they dropped a wide open fourth down pass while driving for the winning TD late.
But we didn't make those plays, and we're 8-3. Plus there's more to it than just oh we didn't make 2 plays. The offensive gameplan was sh*t against SDSU, it took until the final 2 minutes to open up the playbook. The offensive gameplan against Idaho sucked in the first half, then we went back to what we do and almost came back but again we didn't. The offensive gameplan against Montana again sucked ass, the week prior we threw all over EWU and their aggressive D but completely changed things up for UM. Even some of the games we won it was only because of depth and too much talent, the Offensive gameplan has been a problem in a lot of games this year, no Rythm and when they find it Housewright calls something cute and destroys it. Housewright has made me say WTF are you doing every game this year. He's a problem.
Two plays?!?!?!?!? :lol: :lol: Three dropped passes (the would-be TD pass to Dowler was a play Mellott could've easily run for a first down if not a TD) in the first half alone. (4) Not going after loose ball at the end of Idaho's first drive. (6) two missed/blocked FGs. (7) jumped offside on 4th and 4(?). That's anywhere from 13 to 30 points right there. Of those 7 plays, 6 were in the first half. On one play alone there were two opportunities that would've worked but neither one was used. That's what happened.


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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by Cledus » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:32 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:45 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.
I don't think that's a fair assessment. We did not compete "poorly" at 2 of our 3 losses. True we didn't make the plays that needed to be made, but we're talking about 4 and 3 point losses on the road at the #1 and #4 seeds. You just cannot honestly describe those losses as "poorly competed".
You are 100% correct if you describe how we competed at missoula as "poorly", however.

Lets say you guys get your way and the coaching staff is let go. Who do you think MSU is going to be able to hire that could consistently go on the road and beat the #1, 2, and 4 teams in the country?
Or better question: What coach in their right mind would take this job if our current staff was let go after just 3 years, after an 8-3 season vs. the 6th toughest schedule?
Not trying to intervene, but Choate hired Udy to be the OC before he left. We may have already have a good OC on staff. Vigen retained him, so Vigen must think highly of him to some degree.


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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by LTown Cat » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:57 pm

2015cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:44 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.

However, out of curiosity how many years in a row would the scenario you describe be acceptable before a change should be implemented? Honest question…
Say the TD wasn’t overturned vs SDSU and say the kick is good vs Idaho. Two things that the coaching staff don’t have a say in. How different do you look at this season and staff?
It shouldn’t have come to those. My frustrations are the first SDSU drive where he killed all momentum at the goal line and the first 3 drives at Idaho where we looked like a high school team. Not to mention the head scratching calls vs UM.



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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:16 pm

LTown Cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:57 pm
2015cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:44 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.

However, out of curiosity how many years in a row would the scenario you describe be acceptable before a change should be implemented? Honest question…
Say the TD wasn’t overturned vs SDSU and say the kick is good vs Idaho. Two things that the coaching staff don’t have a say in. How different do you look at this season and staff?
It shouldn’t have come to those. My frustrations are the first SDSU drive where he killed all momentum at the goal line and the first 3 drives at Idaho where we looked like a high school team. Not to mention the head scratching calls vs UM.
The first SDSU drive didn’t get anywhere near the goal line. The second was a TD. The third a FG after they got to the 11 and then false started on first down and second down.


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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by tetoncat » Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:21 pm

Camo_Cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:05 am
Camo_Cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:56 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
You do realize that those stats are padded with wins against some very poor teams? Of our 8 wins, only 2 came against teams with a winning record - Sac State (8-4) and Weber (6-5). And even the win against Weber was not that quality of a win considering how most people thought they were going to be much better than they were.

Combined, the overall record of teams we beat this year was 36-53. I think what most everyone here is frustrated about is that we have no problem rolling weak teams, especially at home, but struggled against quality opponents. It doesn't take much of a genius at either OC or DC to beat the teams we beat. Where our staff struggled was game planning against good teams.
In comparison, of SDSU's 11 wins, 7 of them came against teams in this year's FCS playoffs - MSU, Drake, UND, S. Illinois, USD, NDSU, and YSU. There's a reason they are king of the hill; they beat all-comers good and bad.
🤣 you included Drake.


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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by LTown Cat » Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:26 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:16 pm
LTown Cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:57 pm
2015cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:44 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.

However, out of curiosity how many years in a row would the scenario you describe be acceptable before a change should be implemented? Honest question…
Say the TD wasn’t overturned vs SDSU and say the kick is good vs Idaho. Two things that the coaching staff don’t have a say in. How different do you look at this season and staff?
It shouldn’t have come to those. My frustrations are the first SDSU drive where he killed all momentum at the goal line and the first 3 drives at Idaho where we looked like a high school team. Not to mention the head scratching calls vs UM.
The first SDSU drive didn’t get anywhere near the goal line. The second was a TD. The third a FG after they got to the 11 and then false started on first down and second down.
Guess I’m mis-remembering. I was remembering the first drive as MSU moving the ball with Tommy until he subbed Chambers and couldn’t punch it in. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Didn’t that also happen in the gold rush game? Although I thought he was in on one of the tries.



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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by CelticCat » Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:41 pm

tetoncat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:21 pm
Camo_Cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:05 am
Camo_Cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:56 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
You do realize that those stats are padded with wins against some very poor teams? Of our 8 wins, only 2 came against teams with a winning record - Sac State (8-4) and Weber (6-5). And even the win against Weber was not that quality of a win considering how most people thought they were going to be much better than they were.

Combined, the overall record of teams we beat this year was 36-53. I think what most everyone here is frustrated about is that we have no problem rolling weak teams, especially at home, but struggled against quality opponents. It doesn't take much of a genius at either OC or DC to beat the teams we beat. Where our staff struggled was game planning against good teams.
In comparison, of SDSU's 11 wins, 7 of them came against teams in this year's FCS playoffs - MSU, Drake, UND, S. Illinois, USD, NDSU, and YSU. There's a reason they are king of the hill; they beat all-comers good and bad.
🤣 you included Drake.
Yes, Drake made the playoffs so it would be stupid to not include them in this analysis?

MSU didn't play a single team with a winning record at home and didn't play a single team with a losing record on the road. Not sure I've ever seen such a drastic split in quality of opponent at home versus on the road. Oh and 4 of those 5 road teams are still playing football.


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Post by KIX » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:45 pm

catatac wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:24 pm
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Housewright is a clown… Plenty of blame on the players but NOT ONE mention of self accountability or potential for him to call better plays suited to the players. Such a classless ass. The dude has an extraordinary amount of swag for a coordinator whose offenses have folded far too often on the biggest of season stages.
I think he mentioned a couple times that it's on the coaches to get the players in the best position to win.

"Yeah, for whatever reason we moved the ball and we got down in the red zone and completely screwed up for a bunch of different reasons. Obviously, it's on us as coaches to figure out why and fix it, and we feel like we're trying to do that."

"Obviously as a coach, you want to look at the play calls and all that and take the blame for the players because they played their butts off. But it was kind of out of sync, out of whack. It was interesting."

I'm not putting Housewright on a pedestal, nor am I slamming him. I think the result of Saturday's game will say a lot about where this offense is at.
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Post by catatac » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:47 pm

Wow, lots of hate here for one of the best offenses in the country, and probably the best rushing offense in the country. And that's with a damn tough schedule. Before anyone says, "I love the offense just not Housewright", I don't think that's the way it works. I'm talking purely from a football standpoint.

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Post by ThoughtUKnew14 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:50 pm

2015cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:44 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.

However, out of curiosity how many years in a row would the scenario you describe be acceptable before a change should be implemented? Honest question…
Say the TD wasn’t overturned vs SDSU and say the kick is good vs Idaho. Two things that the coaching staff don’t have a say in. How different do you look at this season and staff?
I will never look at the OC w/ any positivity. He is arrogant and immature and has had numerous issues in the building w/ players. Not normal issues but issues caused by his demeanor and approach.

And my question has yet to be answered. How many years in a row is would this be acceptable before a change in OC would be warranted?



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Post by ThoughtUKnew14 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:00 pm

catatac wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:47 pm
Wow, lots of hate here for one of the best offenses in the country, and probably the best rushing offense in the country. And that's with a damn tough schedule. Before anyone says, "I love the offense just not Housewright", I don't think that's the way it works. I'm talking purely from a football standpoint.

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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by 2015cat » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:02 pm

ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:50 pm
2015cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:44 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.

However, out of curiosity how many years in a row would the scenario you describe be acceptable before a change should be implemented? Honest question…
Say the TD wasn’t overturned vs SDSU and say the kick is good vs Idaho. Two things that the coaching staff don’t have a say in. How different do you look at this season and staff?
I will never look at the OC w/ any positivity. He is arrogant and immature and has had numerous issues in the building w/ players. Not normal issues but issues caused by his demeanor and approach.

And my question has yet to be answered. How many years in a row is would this be acceptable before a change in OC would be warranted?
How do you know he has issues in the building? Or are you saying it’s a matter of fact by judging a book by its cover? Genuine question.



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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:29 pm

ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.

However, out of curiosity how many years in a row would the scenario you describe be acceptable before a change should be implemented? Honest question…
I think you’re failing to understand just how difficult MSU’s road schedule was and generally how difficult it is to win on the road.
MSU 3 of 3 losses on road (3 of top 4 seeds)
UM 1 of 1 loss on road
Sac 3 of 4 (2 to top 4 seeds)
Idaho 2 of 3
The four playoff teams lost 11 games, 9 on road, 5 to top 4 seeds. Both of the lost home games were to top 6 seeds and one of those was MSU.
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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by ThoughtUKnew14 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:34 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:29 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.

However, out of curiosity how many years in a row would the scenario you describe be acceptable before a change should be implemented? Honest question…
I think you’re failing to understand just how difficult MSU’s road schedule was and generally how difficult it is to win on the road.
MSU 3 of 3 losses on road (3 of top 4 seeds)
UM 1 of 1 loss on road
Sac 3 of 4 (2 to top 4 seeds)
Idaho 2 of 3
The four playoff teams lost 11 games, 9 on road.
Nope, not at all. But I firmly believe we have the athletes to win those tough games. There’s a clear pattern how our staff has performed in big games the last 2 years. If you can’t can’t see that, there’s not much I can do for you.



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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by ThoughtUKnew14 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:44 pm

2015cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:02 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:50 pm
2015cat wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:44 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.

However, out of curiosity how many years in a row would the scenario you describe be acceptable before a change should be implemented? Honest question…
Say the TD wasn’t overturned vs SDSU and say the kick is good vs Idaho. Two things that the coaching staff don’t have a say in. How different do you look at this season and staff?
I will never look at the OC w/ any positivity. He is arrogant and immature and has had numerous issues in the building w/ players. Not normal issues but issues caused by his demeanor and approach.

And my question has yet to be answered. How many years in a row is would this be acceptable before a change in OC would be warranted?
How do you know he has issues in the building? Or are you saying it’s a matter of fact by judging a book by its cover? Genuine question.
Absolute fact.



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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:55 pm

ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:34 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:29 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.

However, out of curiosity how many years in a row would the scenario you describe be acceptable before a change should be implemented? Honest question…
I think you’re failing to understand just how difficult MSU’s road schedule was and generally how difficult it is to win on the road.
MSU 3 of 3 losses on road (3 of top 4 seeds)
UM 1 of 1 loss on road
Sac 3 of 4 (2 to top 4 seeds)
Idaho 2 of 3
The four playoff teams lost 11 games, 9 on road.
Nope, not at all. But I firmly believe we have the athletes to win those tough games. There’s a clear pattern how our staff has performed in big games the last 2 years. If you can’t can’t see that, there’s not much I can do for you.
The team is 9-5 in what I’d call big games the last two years. Three of the 5 to teams that have won the last two titles.
The staff didn’t false start 9 times vs SDSU. The staff didn’t drop three passes, fail to chase a fumble and jump offside to allow a first down all in one half vs Idaho. I’m not saying that the staff is perfect by any means, but The fact that you simply won’t even consider acknowledging those things makes you look like you’re just trolling. So carry on.
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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by ThoughtUKnew14 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:01 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:55 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:34 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:29 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.

However, out of curiosity how many years in a row would the scenario you describe be acceptable before a change should be implemented? Honest question…
I think you’re failing to understand just how difficult MSU’s road schedule was and generally how difficult it is to win on the road.
MSU 3 of 3 losses on road (3 of top 4 seeds)
UM 1 of 1 loss on road
Sac 3 of 4 (2 to top 4 seeds)
Idaho 2 of 3
The four playoff teams lost 11 games, 9 on road.
Nope, not at all. But I firmly believe we have the athletes to win those tough games. There’s a clear pattern how our staff has performed in big games the last 2 years. If you can’t can’t see that, there’s not much I can do for you.
The team is 9-5 in what I’d call big games the last two years.
The staff didn’t false start 9 times vs SDSU. The staff didn’t drop three passes, fail to chase a fumble and jump offside to allow a first down all in one half vs Idaho. The fact that you simply won’t even consider acknowledging those things makes you look like you’re just trolling. So carry on.
Who prepares the athletes to perform?

And SDSU loss was 100% on play calling down the stretch. Go read the game thread and you will see 99% of people agree with me.

Not trolling at all man. It’s okay to have a difference in opinions.



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Re: Housewright Interview w/Flores

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:02 pm

ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:01 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:55 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:34 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:29 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:40 am
84CatGrad wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:24 am
gtapp wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:33 pm
If Vigen doesn't replace both the OC and DC this offseason then I can't see how he is the right man for the job.
That's right! Replace our lousy OC and DC who could do no better than a horrible 8-3 record, an average winning margin of 41-20, and a #6 seed in the playoffs. Off with their heads!
I think you’re failing to understand just how poorly we have competed against good competition.

However, out of curiosity how many years in a row would the scenario you describe be acceptable before a change should be implemented? Honest question…
I think you’re failing to understand just how difficult MSU’s road schedule was and generally how difficult it is to win on the road.
MSU 3 of 3 losses on road (3 of top 4 seeds)
UM 1 of 1 loss on road
Sac 3 of 4 (2 to top 4 seeds)
Idaho 2 of 3
The four playoff teams lost 11 games, 9 on road.
Nope, not at all. But I firmly believe we have the athletes to win those tough games. There’s a clear pattern how our staff has performed in big games the last 2 years. If you can’t can’t see that, there’s not much I can do for you.
The team is 9-5 in what I’d call big games the last two years.
The staff didn’t false start 9 times vs SDSU. The staff didn’t drop three passes, fail to chase a fumble and jump offside to allow a first down all in one half vs Idaho. The fact that you simply won’t even consider acknowledging those things makes you look like you’re just trolling. So carry on.
Who prepares the athletes to perform?

And SDSU loss was 100% on play calling down the stretch. Go read the game thread and you will see 99% of people agree with me.

Not trolling at all man. It’s okay to have a difference in opinions.
So your opinion is that it’s always the coaches fault? Am I understanding you right?


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