UM Champions Center

[Cataholic]

What do you guys think?

What is this!? A Champion Center for Ants!?... How can we expect them to be champions when they can't even fit inside the building!? This building needs to be at least 3 times bigger than this!

I'm really not sure if you're being funny, are slow, misinformed, or a little bit of all the above. That is s very large 46,000 square foot facility. It will have a 7000 sq foot state of the art locker room along with a 12,500 sq foot strength and conditioning center that some FBS schools would be jealous of. There will be offices and team meeting spaces as well. I totally get your hatred for all things Griz but letting that make you think this center isn't incredible is kinda sad. I'm sorry it will help with recruiting and I'm sorry it's $16 million that MSU can't bring to the table for a project like this. I hate all things Cats but could admit if you ever had a facility like this that its very impressive. Heck even EWU fans have stopped in to day how awesome it is. That says a lot.

I am a little confused about your intent. How does this not come across as smack? What do we think???...??? Of course it is nice! Who in their right mind would not like such a facility? Griz either need our approval or want to run it in our face. We would love to build the same thing here, but unfortunately, we don't have an Uncle Denny. Do you think UM has the stadium or any facilities like this without Uncle Denny?

[luckyirishguy25]

What do you guys think?

What is this!? A Champion Center for Ants!?... How can we expect them to be champions when they can't even fit inside the building!? This building needs to be at least 3 times bigger than this!

I'm really not sure if you're being funny, are slow, misinformed, or a little bit of all the above. That is s very large 46,000 square foot facility. It will have a 7000 sq foot state of the art locker room along with a 12,500 sq foot strength and conditioning center that some FBS schools would be jealous of. There will be offices and team meeting spaces as well. I totally get your hatred for all things Griz but letting that make you think this center isn't incredible is kinda sad. I'm sorry it will help with recruiting and I'm sorry it's $16 million that MSU can't bring to the table for a project like this. I hate all things Cats but could admit if you ever had a facility like this that its very impressive. Heck even EWU fans have stopped in to day how awesome it is. That says a lot.

I am a little confused about your intent. How does this not come across as smack? What do we think???...??? Of course it is nice! Who in their right mind would not like such a facility? Griz either need our approval or want to run it in our face. We would love to build the same thing here, but unfortunately, we don't have an Uncle Denny. Do you think UM has the stadium or any facilities like this without Uncle Denny?

Yep x1000, Which is why I responded the way I did

[catatac]

What do you guys think?

What is this!? A Champion Center for Ants!?... How can we expect them to be champions when they can't even fit inside the building!? This building needs to be at least 3 times bigger than this!

I'm really not sure if you're being funny, are slow, misinformed, or a little bit of all the above. That is s very large 46,000 square foot facility. It will have a 7000 sq foot state of the art locker room along with a 12,500 sq foot strength and conditioning center that some FBS schools would be jealous of. There will be offices and team meeting spaces as well. I totally get your hatred for all things Griz but letting that make you think this center isn't incredible is kinda sad. I'm sorry it will help with recruiting and I'm sorry it's $16 million that MSU can't bring to the table for a project like this. I hate all things Cats but could admit if you ever had a facility like this that its very impressive. Heck even EWU fans have stopped in to day how awesome it is. That says a lot.

I am a little confused about your intent. How does this not come across as smack? What do we think???...??? Of course it is nice! Who in their right mind would not like such a facility? Griz either need our approval or want to run it in our face. We would love to build the same thing here, but unfortunately, we don't have an Uncle Denny. Do you think UM has the stadium or any facilities like this without Uncle Denny?

But as someone else pointed out, we don't need upgrades in this area, they absolutely do. From what I've been told, their facilities are complete garbage right now. Will be a great upgrade for them. As for recruiting avantages... maybe slightly, but they already enjoy a huge recruiting advantage just based on their history so I doubt you'll see it help much.

[AlphaGriz1]

Not sure what to think but it is like the Gateway project except that we can actually pull this off instead of dreaming about it and fund raising for 75 years.

Even though I might not be a fan of the design, its still better than a tin shed next to a water treatment plant.







Is this the kind of smack you were looking for? If so................I have more

[autocat]

I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

[Griznationalist]

I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

[Cat Grad]

I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

You personify the term grizidiot! Although I'm not old enough to remember the 56 National Championship MSC won that year, I was alive and it was at the NAIA level. What was the grissy bears record during that time against a team playing at the Frontier Conference level? That the Cats won more than a few games playing up that far ought to give any reasonable individual a clue as to how pathetic your (I assume you actually went to "school" there and didn't just xrive through Missoula once or twice) big, bad "major" college football team was. Did you have any winning seasons before the Swarthout scandal years?

[77matcat]

Yep. My guess is a good number of griz (egriz anyway) would be braggen up a storm about a win over Tech.


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[BR GRIZ]

Yep. My guess is a good number of griz (egriz anyway) would be braggen up a storm about a win over Tech.


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I agree too many Griz fans today consider UM and MSU peer institutions when discussing the records in the series. As pointed out by the Cat fans above, one has to take into consideration the fact that MSU has been little brother in this series. MSU dominated their peers when they were in NAIA. UM got dominated by their peers when they were in the Skyline. You gotta expect UM would dominate when playing MSU. I agree UM should not be bragging about their wins against MSU because really, they're comparable to a win against Tech.


You guys crack me up.

[PapaG]

I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

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Congrats on beating a NAIA school decades ago while the Griz were in the same league as the Washington schools and Oregon schools. I suppose MSU should feel good about beating MSU-Northern when I was a student!

[PapaG]

Yep. My guess is a good number of griz (egriz anyway) would be braggen up a storm about a win over Tech.


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I agree too many Griz fans today consider UM and MSU peer institutions when discussing the records in the series. As pointed out by the Cat fans above, one has to take into consideration the fact that MSU has been little brother in this series. MSU dominated their peers when they were in NAIA. UM got dominated by their peers when they were in the Skyline. You gotta expect UM would dominate when playing MSU. I agree UM should not be bragging about their wins against MSU because really, they're comparable to a win against Tech.


You guys crack me up.

The sad thing is that the Griz fan thinks that being booted from the Skyline and MSU building their program up from NAIA to the point they are now peers with UM is something to brag about.

[BR GRIZ]

Yep. My guess is a good number of griz (egriz anyway) would be braggen up a storm about a win over Tech.


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I agree too many Griz fans today consider UM and MSU peer institutions when discussing the records in the series. As pointed out by the Cat fans above, one has to take into consideration the fact that MSU has been little brother in this series. MSU dominated their peers when they were in NAIA. UM got dominated by their peers when they were in the Skyline. You gotta expect UM would dominate when playing MSU. I agree UM should not be bragging about their wins against MSU because really, they're comparable to a win against Tech.


You guys crack me up.

The sad thing is that the Griz fan thinks that being booted from the Skyline and MSU building their program up from NAIA to the point they are now peers with UM is something to brag about.

MSU "built their program up" from NAIA? Just what do think was the difference between NAIA and the Skyline prior to the sixties? It wasn't scholarships that could be offered, those weren't restricted back then. Schools joined conferences with other schools who they felt were they're peers. UM got dominated by the schools they thought were their peers, and MSU dominated whose they thought were their peers. Regardless though, they played each other every year because they thought the other was a peer. I just think it's kind of ironic that Cat fans now want to rewrite history by crying little brother in order to justify the series record, while Griz fans want to continue to treat MSU as a peer.

[NavyBlue]

The Griz were not "booted" from the Skyline Conference. The Skyline disbanded after the 1961 season, with the formation of the WAC in 1962; leaving Denver, Montana, Utah State, and Colorado State (for a couple years). Without a conference. The original WAC consisted of the following from the Skyline: BYU (a perennial doormat), Utah, New Mexico, and Wyoming. From the Border Conference the WAC added Arizona and Arizona State. Border Conference member New Mexico State was denied admission to the original WAC along with 1961 Skyline co-champion Utah State. I have never heard or read anything on Montana even trying to join the WAC when it was first formed.

Colorado State joined the WAC a couple years later. Utah State was an independent for many years until joining the PCAA/ Big West in 1978. Montana was a charter member of the Big Sky Conference in 1963.

[PapaG]

The Griz were not "booted" from the Skyline Conference. The Skyline disbanded after the 1961 season, with the formation of the WAC in 1962; leaving Denver, Montana, Utah State, and Colorado State (for a couple years). Without a conference. The original WAC consisted of the following from the Skyline: BYU (a perennial doormat), Utah, New Mexico, and Wyoming. From the Border Conference the WAC added Arizona and Arizona State. Border Conference member New Mexico State was denied admission to the original WAC along with 1961 Skyline co-champion Utah State. I have never heard or read anything on Montana even trying to join the WAC when it was first formed.

Colorado State joined the WAC a couple years later. Utah State was an independent for many years until joining the PCAA/ Big West in 1978. Montana was a charter member of the Big Sky Conference in 1963.

The point is that Montana used to play with schools that are now in the PAC 12 and still brag about beating a NAIA school back in those days. Decades later, Montana is a good, but not great, team in the same conference and NCAA division as the former NAIA school they crow about beating back in the WWII days.

Hell, even Utah State has left UM in the dust. I just find it funny that Griz fans reference those wins. It's like beating a D-2 school, at best, in the present time.

[Hawks86]

I just think it's kind of ironic that Cat fans now want to rewrite history by crying little brother in order to justify the series record, while Griz fans want to continue to treat MSU as a peer.

[PapaG]

I just think it's kind of ironic that Cat fans now want to rewrite history by crying little brother in order to justify the series record, while Griz fans want to continue to treat MSU as a peer.

How are MSU fans "re-writing history?" MSU was in a lower division than MSU for decades, yet Griz fans reference those wins as if the teams were at the same level of competition.

[Grizlaw]

I just find it funny that Griz fans reference those wins. It's like beating a D-2 school, at best, in the present time.

By that logic, do you also find it funny that Cat fans crow about having won more national championships than the Griz, even though two of their three were NAIA and D2?

[Cat Grad]

I just find it funny that Griz fans reference those wins. It's like beating a D-2 school, at best, in the present time.

By that logic, do you also find it funny that Cat fans crow about having won more national championships than the Griz, even though two of their three were NAIA and D2?

In actuality, the 76 National Championship was much more of an accomplishment than anything that came after 1978. Several of the wannabe schools are now D1 and winning the Small College title versus the sheer number of small schools prior to watering down small college football by alloted scholarship numbers speaks very loudly as to the power Sonny Holland had built. As a sidebar, it still bothers me at times that the Cats began 1978 8-0 yet were not in the playoffs but that is just one more reason I feel what the 76 team accomplished is far superior to the present watered down version of small college football.

[77matcat]

I just find it funny that Griz fans reference those wins. It's like beating a D-2 school, at best, in the present time.

By that logic, do you also find it funny that Cat fans crow about having won more national championships than the Griz, even though two of their three were NAIA and D2?

If the griz were to move up would they forget their two championships???


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[griz5700]

Geez. $16 million locker room and weight room... Figured you all would be happy for us?