Bobcat D is "terrible" according to griz fans?

Post by **rtb** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:46 pm

Re/Max Griz wrote:Cats pounded them huh?

ISU - cats by 2
PSU - cats lost by 3
NAU - cats by 7
Suc - cats by 21

Averaging a margin of less than 1 TD, 6.75 points

As for the Griz

ISU - Griz by 22
PSU - Griz by 21
NAU - Griz by 23
Suc - Griz by 17

Avg 20.75

Pounded physically I believe is what he meant. I have some funny smack running in my head, but I will follow my own rules and keep it off this thread!

Sportin' Life · Post by **Sportin' Life** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:00 pm

RTB probably has a point that close games are more physically taxing than blowouts....for both teams involved. But it is easier to get large chunks of passing yards against a team with a big lead.

And thats the way I read the stats, if I didn't know which team was which, I would automatically assume that the Griz had more big leads in those games simply because they have about 30% more passing plays against the Griz and around 30% more running plays against the Cats. These are the same teams, so they should be a little closer in tendencies. On the other hand the secondary is supposed to be the Griz' weak spot, and the line the weak spot on the Cats.

Hey Gato...got time to compile the offensive stats against the common opponents?

BWahlberg · Post by **BWahlberg** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:17 pm

RTB,

Is GRIZ/cat week, smack away, it would'nt hurt my feelings.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:34 pm

Re/Max Griz wrote:Cats pounded them huh?

ISU - cats by 2
PSU - cats lost by 3
NAU - cats by 7
Suc - cats by 21

Averaging a margin of less than 1 TD, 6.75 points

As for the Griz

ISU - Griz by 22
PSU - Griz by 21
NAU - Griz by 23
Suc - Griz by 17

Avg 20.75

Yes, by pounding I mean physically beat teams up (which MSU is known for). Thanks for proving my point with the stats

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:36 pm

Yea, that power passing attack and 3/4 zone blitz are really known for beating people up

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:29 pm

Look, it's pretty obvious as to why the Griz defense is rated so highly. They are able to consistantly stop the run. Because they can do this, teams are forced to throw the ball more than they want to. Opponents are relegated to a one-dimentional offense. This leads to lots of interceptions, which the Griz defense have made, several for TDs.

Let's face facts. The last two Griz wins were against the worst two teams (and worst defenses) in the conference, But, the Griz offense was totally non-existant against bot NAU and Sac. St. If not for the defensive TDs in both games, they might have lost both.

Here is the way I see the Griz/Cat game. If the Cats can avoid the turnovers, they will win the game. The Griz offense will not be able to score enough points to off-set what the Cat offense will produce. It will all boil down to the points which the Griz defense and/or special teams is able to generate.

THe "X" Factor is the coaching advantage which the Cats have over the Griz. Kramer was able to win two years ago in Bozeman strictly because he thoroughly out-coached Hauck. I think that the coaching gap could be the deciding factor once again this season.

This game is a virtual toss-up, as far as I can determine. The Cats protect the football...they win. The Griz defense causes some key turnovers....the Griz win.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:33 pm

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:35 pm

Sportin', maybe later tonight or tomorrow.

I'm a little statted out at the moment.

But, just the "raw" #'s vs DI opponents: (Yes, I did take out Ft. Lewis; no one could count those stats in good conscience, but my #'s are PER GAME)

Griz

Rush yards/game - 171.4, 12 TD's
Pass yards/game - 148.9, 7 TD's
Total yards/game - 320.3, 19 TD's

Bobcats

Rush yards/game - 121.7, 13 TD's
Pass yards/game - 250.9, 17 TD's
Total yards/game - 372.6, 30 TD's

bozbobcat · Post by **bozbobcat** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:38 pm

Saturday's game will be won based on how the Bobcat defense does against the Grizzly offense, not so much on how the Grizzly defense does against the Bobcat offense. MSU's defense has a lot of potential, and it's about time they use it!

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:44 pm

I'm going to agree with wolfman, for the most part.

It will boil down to the dreaded PSOT stat! (Points Scored Off Turnovers)

If the Cats can achieve a "push" in PSOT, they win. I would say they could even afford to go -7 in PSOT & still win.

If the Griz manage to get +10 or more in PSOT, however, the dancing haucks will probably win.

I will GUARANTEE you that the Cats win if they win the PSOT battle; if the turnovers are even or better for the Cats, I simply can't see the Griz O scoring more "pure" points than the Cats O will.

BR GRIZ · Post by **BR GRIZ** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:45 pm

Cat Pride wrote:Personally, I could care less about how many yards the defense allows, so long as they create some turnovers and dont let the other team score. If the other team doesnt score, who cares if they went up and down the field on us.

Be careful of that logic CP, someone might argue it applies to offenses as well. Perhaps an offense that goes up and down the field at will is not that much better than it's opponent's if, on average, it turns the ball over more often and scores fewer points.

GrizinWashington · Post by **GrizinWashington** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:00 pm

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
Re/Max Griz wrote:Montana Defense

Passing allowed - 219.6
Rushing allowed - 112.6
Total - 332.2
TDs alllowed - 18

MSU Defense

Passing - 170.5
Rushing - 172.9
Total - 343.4
TDs allowed - 28

Not a huge yardage difference, but MSU has given up more TDs
Yeah, but the Griz also got to play ISU/PSU/NAU/SAC STATE after the Cats had pounded them. Haven't you heard about the Bobcat 'effect'? Teams usually lose after playing us.

Geez CC, Montana sure has won a lot of (playoff) games after playing the Cats.

WalkOn79 · Post by **WalkOn79** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:27 pm

How bout we try something FUN!!! Scrap the cover two and Soft Zone. Put 8 in the box and BRING IT

Dare CB to throw the ball into man coverage when he's not on his back, and make Lex pay for every yard

Aren't the rest of you cat fans sick of the slow bleed that is our defensive philosophy this year.

suckitgriz · Post by **suckitgriz** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:29 pm

WalkOn79 wrote:

How bout we try something FUN!!! Scrap the cover two and Soft Zone. Put 8 in the box and BRING IT Dare CB to throw the ball into man coverage when he's not on his back, and make Lex pay for every yard Aren't the rest of you cat fans sick of the slow bleed that is our defensive philosophy this year.

Good post! I really think we need to apply pressure this week. Make a freshman QB earn it...we have a good secondary.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:01 pm

If Kramer is smart, he will play "man" defense with his CBs, and blitz a strong safety much of the time into the running gaps to stop Hilliard. It is more of a high risk defense. But, Berquist is so inaccurate on passes longer than 15 yards, that he would have trouble hitting a wide open receiver downfield.

I have watched every Griz game either in person, or on TV. The defense has won almost every game for the Griz, mostly by capitalizing on turnovers. I will say it once again, it will not matter much how the Cat defense plays, because the Griz offense is so futile that it makes even the poorest defenses look good (see NAU and Sac. St.).

It will boil down to whether the Cats can avoid turnovers. Period. I don't think they win the game if the have more than one turnover. If Travis protects the ball, the Cats will win.

Yes, the Grizzly offense really IS THAT BAD! Makes me wanna hurl, from the embarassment.

SausageCrotch · Post by **SausageCrotch** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:07 pm

Wolfman wrote:Makes me wanna hurl, from the embarassment.

Just think how your mom feels.

Btowncat · Post by **Btowncat** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:37 pm

Very interesting stats El Gato! However, seeing the Bobcat and Grizzly numbers on defense brings to mind the quote (or in my addled case the paraphrase): There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. I'm not saying the Grizzly defense is vastly superior to ours, but there's a big difference in giving up yards and giving up points. There's also a big difference in giving up a garbage time touchdown and giving up a touchdown when it matters.
With a few exceptions, our defense has been soft most all year. On the upside, looking at our roster, we've got a lot of young guys on that side of the ball who will (hopefully) be bigger, stronger, faster and wiser next year.

Bobcat4Ever · Post by **Bobcat4Ever** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:50 pm

So what do statistics mean?

Nothing, nothing at all.

The Griz should be grateful that the MSU OC took the ball out of Travis's hands (via the handoff thing) several times when MSU was ready to score a touchdown. (MSU OC for defensive player of the game?) I realize Travis did get hurt later, but the one in the first half should have ended up in the end zone, and not by running up the middle. That made the Griz defense look better than it should have.

I know which defense I liked the looks of better. And it was wearing blue and gold.

BobCatFan · Post by **BobCatFan** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:48 pm

jagur1 wrote:If the cats are so great why are they so far back in the standings? Both programs had the same number of home games?

I think we tied for 1st in the conference and if you use a tie breaker, we took 2nd. That leaves the friz in 3rd.

Your cream puff schedule got the one extra win needed for the playoffs.

BobCatFan · Post by **BobCatFan** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:45 pm

Wolfman wrote:
But, Berquist is so inaccurate on passes longer than 15 yards, that he would have trouble hitting a wide open receiver downfield.

I have watched every Griz game either in person, or on TV. The defense has won almost every game for the Griz, mostly by capitalizing on turnovers.

I believe the field conditions played a big part in the Friz lose. As Wolfman said, Berquist is not very accurate. I watch the Friz recievers slip and fall trying to catch balls that were thrown behind them all game long. Also, I agree with Wolfman on the Friz D. The D is the only reason why the Friz won more then 4 games this season. I do not have that the stats, but I can guess the Friz D and special teams scored 50% of the points for the Friz this season.