Quarterback's Club Meeting

[Platinumcat]

Here's a question for all computer desk quarterbacks:

How much coaching have you ever done in sports. I don't count youth sports where scores and game outcomes don't count. I'm talking about any sport (regardless of age) where if you lose you are either out or drop down to the consolation bracket.
The reason for my question is that I keep reading everybody talking about how the team's performance was a coaching issue. If you have ever coached in the above referenced scenario you know that you can coach and motivate until you are blue in the face and sometimes the athletes are on and sometimes they are not. I know we are talking about an upper division in college football, but these are still athletes that are prone to lower-then-expected performances.
Is it the coach's fault that the kid doesn't line up in the right spot for a certain play? Is it the coach's fault that the QB throws the ball into the ground? Is it the coach's fault that the QB misreads the defense and calls an incorrect audible? Is it the coach's fault that the receivers drop a ball thrown right at them? Is it the coach's fault that the receivers decide not to make that extra effort to try and get open? on and on and on and on I could go.
The bottom line is that you coach the kids during the week partially on what went wrong the week before and on new plays/techniques you are implementing for the coming compeititon. You coach in the middle of the game. But, if the athlete doesn't get it done for you, it doesn't matter how much you have prepared them. Execution is totally separate from effort.
The Bobcats came out of the lockerroom on Saturday ready to play. They were fired up, the crowd was fired up. But, for some reason we did not execute in certain facets of the game; dropped passes, crisp routes, missed assignments on defense, poor blocking decisions on special teams.

Now does all of this mean that I absolve the coaches from any responsibility? Absolutely not. They can certainly get better at roster depth evaluation and recruiting for those positions. They can certainly get better at in-game adjustments (not just 1/2 time). Coach K admitted they realized earlier this year that they needed to do a better job of coaching the athletes in the middle of the game and not just yelling at them to try and motivate, so they recognize the need there.

But, I am not anywhere even close to becoming critical of this staff. And frankly, I am SICK of those that are!

GO CATS, BEAT THE GRIZ!!!!!!!

[KillintheGriz]

Part of a coach's job is to recognize the ability of an athlete and put him in a position where his skills match the position. I've followed Nick Marudas ever since he was a freshman (I used to work with his dad) and feel the coaches failed him. Even though the coaches talked about Nick, they didn't put him in a position where is speed becomes a factor in a game. We've seen his skills impact a game only after Mac got hurt. Now Nick is a force on defense. three years too late.

Domineck is not fast enough to run a pitch play effectively. Yet the coaches run this play repeatedly with Domineck. Groves catches the pitch and is already accelerating through the line of scrimmage when Domineck is still in the backfield searching for a hole. A perfect play is setup with Groves. Fake the pitch to Groves, have Barnhart release from the line, Lulay rolls opposite of the pitch and hits Barnhart for a 15 yard strike. There are SO MANY plays the Bobcats can run with Groves but they aren't doing it. A flea flicker would also be a great play with Groves--Lulay could then hit a receiver who looks like he gave up on his route or hit a tight end. Another play I like with the 5 receiver set is a Lulay keeper. No three step drop, just snap the ball and run it over the tackles. Just a few plays I see that could work well against an overplaying Griz D.

[catsrback76]

Here's a question for all computer desk quarterbacks:

How much coaching have you ever done in sports. I don't count youth sports where scores and game outcomes don't count. I'm talking about any sport (regardless of age) where if you lose you are either out or drop down to the consolation bracket.
The reason for my question is that I keep reading everybody talking about how the team's performance was a coaching issue. If you have ever coached in the above referenced scenario you know that you can coach and motivate until you are blue in the face and sometimes the athletes are on and sometimes they are not. I know we are talking about an upper division in college football, but these are still athletes that are prone to lower-then-expected performances.
Is it the coach's fault that the kid doesn't line up in the right spot for a certain play? Is it the coach's fault that the QB throws the ball into the ground? Is it the coach's fault that the QB misreads the defense and calls an incorrect audible? Is it the coach's fault that the receivers drop a ball thrown right at them? Is it the coach's fault that the receivers decide not to make that extra effort to try and get open? on and on and on and on I could go.
The bottom line is that you coach the kids during the week partially on what went wrong the week before and on new plays/techniques you are implementing for the coming compeititon. You coach in the middle of the game. But, if the athlete doesn't get it done for you, it doesn't matter how much you have prepared them. Execution is totally separate from effort.
The Bobcats came out of the lockerroom on Saturday ready to play. They were fired up, the crowd was fired up. But, for some reason we did not execute in certain facets of the game; dropped passes, crisp routes, missed assignments on defense, poor blocking decisions on special teams.

Now does all of this mean that I absolve the coaches from any responsibility? Absolutely not. They can certainly get better at roster depth evaluation and recruiting for those positions. They can certainly get better at in-game adjustments (not just 1/2 time). Coach K admitted they realized earlier this year that they needed to do a better job of coaching the athletes in the middle of the game and not just yelling at them to try and motivate, so they recognize the need there.

But, I am not anywhere even close to becoming critical of this staff. And frankly, I am SICK of those that are!

GO CATS, BEAT THE GRIZ!!!!!!!

True enough. My question is simple: "who calls the plays and makes the adjustments?"

IF the team is not executing, for whatever reason, who calls timeouts?

I know, the QB or the coaching staff. Why?

To talk through a play. To make adjustments.

Regarding last week, who stopped calling the run game? Travis? The Wideouts? no the coaches. My point in this whole post EWU debacle is simple-- the coaches screwed up the game!

I like Kramer-- I want Kramer to stay-- I want Kramer to coach his coaches. Simple strategy. If it AIN'T broke, don't fix it. We were running the ball well. Who cares if we are down by 1-2 TD's. The passing game was not working, for many reasons. S.... happens! But we fixed the one thing that didn't need fixing. That's it.

If the recievers aren't catching the ball-- "it's the age of Aquarius", a toothache, bad moon arisin, girl volleyball players, or just stuff... call a time out-- make a huddle, send in a play that gets the ball in the hands of the kids who are not having a bad game. Coaching is what Kramer does best... presumably has better eyes for the game than I ever will... I'm just wondering why I missed?

[G.W.Bush]

Barechestcat I have a few comments about your post. You can not look at “youth sports” coaching in the same way as college football coaching. Kramer and staff make a living coaching football. They are not volunteers, so a fan has the right to be critical of their coaching decisions.
You also said that the staff can not be held responsible for the on field play of the players. Isn’t that what the coaches are hired to do? I thought that the coaches were supposed to make the play calls AND teach fundamentals? I would like to share with you how it works in my place of business. The people that work for me are MY responsibility. If they don’t get their jobs done my superiors don’t blame them they blame me. It is my job to make sure all the details are taken care of. That is why I was hired. To the same affect that is why the MSU coaching staff was hired. The staff has the responsibility to make sure that their players are making plays. I am sick of hearing excuses why we lose games (i.e. the players were nervous to play in California and the volleyball players distracted them). I am not allowed to tell my superiors that my employees were distracted so the project was not completed, so why do we let Kramer? Kramer has said that college football is a business and that he treats it like one. Well he sure doesn’t seem to know what is acceptable within a business environment, because he makes a lot of critical mistakes.

[KillintheGriz]

Here's a question for all computer desk quarterbacks:

How much coaching have you ever done in sports. I don't count youth sports where scores and game outcomes don't count. I'm talking about any sport (regardless of age) where if you lose you are either out or drop down to the consolation bracket.
The reason for my question is that I keep reading everybody talking about how the team's performance was a coaching issue. If you have ever coached in the above referenced scenario you know that you can coach and motivate until you are blue in the face and sometimes the athletes are on and sometimes they are not. I know we are talking about an upper division in college football, but these are still athletes that are prone to lower-then-expected performances.
Is it the coach's fault that the kid doesn't line up in the right spot for a certain play? Is it the coach's fault that the QB throws the ball into the ground? Is it the coach's fault that the QB misreads the defense and calls an incorrect audible? Is it the coach's fault that the receivers drop a ball thrown right at them? Is it the coach's fault that the receivers decide not to make that extra effort to try and get open? on and on and on and on I could go.
The bottom line is that you coach the kids during the week partially on what went wrong the week before and on new plays/techniques you are implementing for the coming compeititon. You coach in the middle of the game. But, if the athlete doesn't get it done for you, it doesn't matter how much you have prepared them. Execution is totally separate from effort.
The Bobcats came out of the lockerroom on Saturday ready to play. They were fired up, the crowd was fired up. But, for some reason we did not execute in certain facets of the game; dropped passes, crisp routes, missed assignments on defense, poor blocking decisions on special teams.

Now does all of this mean that I absolve the coaches from any responsibility? Absolutely not. They can certainly get better at roster depth evaluation and recruiting for those positions. They can certainly get better at in-game adjustments (not just 1/2 time). Coach K admitted they realized earlier this year that they needed to do a better job of coaching the athletes in the middle of the game and not just yelling at them to try and motivate, so they recognize the need there.

But, I am not anywhere even close to becoming critical of this staff. And frankly, I am SICK of those that are!

GO CATS, BEAT THE GRIZ!!!!!!!

If I'm not mistaken, we did not come out ready to play. We called a timeout BEFORE THE FIRST PLAY FROM SCRIMMAGE. What the heck was that about.

[catsrback76]

Here's a question for all computer desk quarterbacks:

How much coaching have you ever done in sports. I don't count youth sports where scores and game outcomes don't count. I'm talking about any sport (regardless of age) where if you lose you are either out or drop down to the consolation bracket.
The reason for my question is that I keep reading everybody talking about how the team's performance was a coaching issue. If you have ever coached in the above referenced scenario you know that you can coach and motivate until you are blue in the face and sometimes the athletes are on and sometimes they are not. I know we are talking about an upper division in college football, but these are still athletes that are prone to lower-then-expected performances.
Is it the coach's fault that the kid doesn't line up in the right spot for a certain play? Is it the coach's fault that the QB throws the ball into the ground? Is it the coach's fault that the QB misreads the defense and calls an incorrect audible? Is it the coach's fault that the receivers drop a ball thrown right at them? Is it the coach's fault that the receivers decide not to make that extra effort to try and get open? on and on and on and on I could go.
The bottom line is that you coach the kids during the week partially on what went wrong the week before and on new plays/techniques you are implementing for the coming compeititon. You coach in the middle of the game. But, if the athlete doesn't get it done for you, it doesn't matter how much you have prepared them. Execution is totally separate from effort.
The Bobcats came out of the lockerroom on Saturday ready to play. They were fired up, the crowd was fired up. But, for some reason we did not execute in certain facets of the game; dropped passes, crisp routes, missed assignments on defense, poor blocking decisions on special teams.

Now does all of this mean that I absolve the coaches from any responsibility? Absolutely not. They can certainly get better at roster depth evaluation and recruiting for those positions. They can certainly get better at in-game adjustments (not just 1/2 time). Coach K admitted they realized earlier this year that they needed to do a better job of coaching the athletes in the middle of the game and not just yelling at them to try and motivate, so they recognize the need there.

But, I am not anywhere even close to becoming critical of this staff. And frankly, I am SICK of those that are!

GO CATS, BEAT THE GRIZ!!!!!!!

If I'm not mistaken, we did not come out ready to play. We called a timeout BEFORE THE FIRST PLAY FROM SCRIMMAGE. What the heck was that about.

Bad Karma I guess. It couldn't be a coaching issue. Like how many people are on the recieving team? Count off. Great go kick some eagle butt. NO-- definitely not a coaching issue.

[Platinumcat]

Barechestcat I have a few comments about your post. You can not look at “youth sports” coaching in the same way as college football coaching. Kramer and staff make a living coaching football. They are not volunteers, so a fan has the right to be critical of their coaching decisions.
You also said that the staff can not be held responsible for the on field play of the players. Isn’t that what the coaches are hired to do? I thought that the coaches were supposed to make the play calls AND teach fundamentals? I would like to share with you how it works in my place of business. The people that work for me are MY responsibility. If they don’t get their jobs done my superiors don’t blame them they blame me. It is my job to make sure all the details are taken care of. That is why I was hired. To the same affect that is why the MSU coaching staff was hired. The staff has the responsibility to make sure that their players are making plays. I am sick of hearing excuses why we lose games (i.e. the players were nervous to play in California and the volleyball players distracted them). I am not allowed to tell my superiors that my employees were distracted so the project was not completed, so why do we let Kramer? Kramer has said that college football is a business and that he treats it like one. Well he sure doesn’t seem to know what is acceptable within a business environment, because he makes a lot of critical mistakes.

I understand what you are saying. But, I have to believe that the athletes were coached and prepared. And, I guess I disagree that you can't use youth athletics to compare. Why? Because my point was that even if you prepare your athletes to the best of your ability, sometimes they don't do what you coached them to do.
Again, I'm not clearing the coaches, but to squarely place all blame on their shoulders is off.

[Platinumcat]

Here's a question for all computer desk quarterbacks:

How much coaching have you ever done in sports. I don't count youth sports where scores and game outcomes don't count. I'm talking about any sport (regardless of age) where if you lose you are either out or drop down to the consolation bracket.
The reason for my question is that I keep reading everybody talking about how the team's performance was a coaching issue. If you have ever coached in the above referenced scenario you know that you can coach and motivate until you are blue in the face and sometimes the athletes are on and sometimes they are not. I know we are talking about an upper division in college football, but these are still athletes that are prone to lower-then-expected performances.
Is it the coach's fault that the kid doesn't line up in the right spot for a certain play? Is it the coach's fault that the QB throws the ball into the ground? Is it the coach's fault that the QB misreads the defense and calls an incorrect audible? Is it the coach's fault that the receivers drop a ball thrown right at them? Is it the coach's fault that the receivers decide not to make that extra effort to try and get open? on and on and on and on I could go.
The bottom line is that you coach the kids during the week partially on what went wrong the week before and on new plays/techniques you are implementing for the coming compeititon. You coach in the middle of the game. But, if the athlete doesn't get it done for you, it doesn't matter how much you have prepared them. Execution is totally separate from effort.
The Bobcats came out of the lockerroom on Saturday ready to play. They were fired up, the crowd was fired up. But, for some reason we did not execute in certain facets of the game; dropped passes, crisp routes, missed assignments on defense, poor blocking decisions on special teams.

Now does all of this mean that I absolve the coaches from any responsibility? Absolutely not. They can certainly get better at roster depth evaluation and recruiting for those positions. They can certainly get better at in-game adjustments (not just 1/2 time). Coach K admitted they realized earlier this year that they needed to do a better job of coaching the athletes in the middle of the game and not just yelling at them to try and motivate, so they recognize the need there.

But, I am not anywhere even close to becoming critical of this staff. And frankly, I am SICK of those that are!

GO CATS, BEAT THE GRIZ!!!!!!!

If I'm not mistaken, we did not come out ready to play. We called a timeout BEFORE THE FIRST PLAY FROM SCRIMMAGE. What the heck was that about.

Admittedly, that's becoming a little fuzzy for me. But, wasn't that on the first play from scrimmage after the kickoff and we were on "D"? If I remember it correctly, they came out with an offensive set that must have put us at a disadvantage with the personnel we had on the field. I remember seeing some people coming on and some coming off. I guess versus taking the penalty and/or allowing a big play due to mis matches, I'll take the timeout.

[DONTWANNABE24]

Good Lord, Cat Pride, every post I've seen of yours today has been the most negative pile of crap I've seen. These kids still have one more game left. Let's go out and give them all the support they need this weekend. You can come back and piss and moan next Sunday.

That's exactly what you will be doing!!!TIME