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Post by Grizlaw » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:59 pm

thuss wrote:You made a great point in that you did not watch the game.

A diving interception should be heralded, or even one where the DB makes a great play on the ball. However, when the reciever basically volleyball sets the ball to the griz LB. C'mon

And if a blocked FG is returned for a TD every game or once every ten games, or once every 50 games, or once every 100 games, or once every .... Then I wouldn't consider it lucky. My point is it doesn't happen as often as a 43 yard pass.

You shouldn't have responded unless you had seen the game.
I don't hold it against you, understanding that you don't get the games in your neck of the woods.
Don't take this the wrong way, thuss, but frankly I don't really care whether you hold my not watching the game against me. The questions I asked were general questions, not limited merely to this game, and whether or not I saw the games this weekend is really not relevant to answering my question.

In general, fans always tend to call it "luck" when a team wins a game because of a spectacular play. Why is that? The fact that blocked field goals don't often get returned for TDs does not mean it's "luck" when it does happen. Similarly, a lot of Cat fans called it "luck" back in 2000, when Farris made his crazy circus catch in the end zone to beat App. State in overtime -- why is a play like that "luck," instead of just a great effort by the guy who made the play?

Ask yourself this question: if a Cat special teams player returned a blocked FG 67 yards for a TD, do you think you'd be calling it luck? Do you think you'd walk up to the player and say "hey, great run; you really got lucky on that play!" If you're honest with yourself, I think you know I'm right...

Of course, what do I know. I didn't even watch the game on Saturday. ;)

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Post by thuss » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:07 pm

I would definately tell that player he was lucky. How do you define luck?

Luck-
Being in the right place at the right time.

Thats my definition of luck.

If I hit a hole-in-one in golf I would also say that it is luck. I definately would not stick my chest out and walk around like a meant to do it.

I never said the circus catch that ferris made was luck. By the way that is not even close to blocking a FG or catching a tipped pass for INT.

The point was made about the plays made in Arizona. So it is almost impossible for you to comment on those specific plays considering the fact that you did not watch the game.

Therefore I am not going to argue with you about what is lucky and what is not. This is an opinion, and from what I witnessed both of those plays were very lucky. Opinion!



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Post by BozoneCat » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:08 pm

I agree with grizlaw on this one. Us loyal Bobcat fans took particular exception to Bobby Hack when he basically said the Cats got "lucky" in 2003 when we returned a kickoff and returned an interception for a TD. Saenz has blocked WAY too many FG's for that to be called "luck", and you have to give some credit to the DB for being in the right place at the right time - do that often enough, and eventually something good will happen.


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Post by thuss » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:12 pm

Blocked FG's happen way more than blocked FG's returned for TD's. Runnig back kickoff is in no way similar to the occurances I have stated. Running back kicks is practiced and prepared for, just like blocking kicks is practiced and prepared for. However if we would have fumbled the kickoff and kicked it around and then a player pick it up and run it in for TD (LUCK). That wasn't the case.

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Post by thuss » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:17 pm

That is my own opinion on luck



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Post by BozoneCat » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:20 pm

I realize these plays don't happen very often, but give some credit to their guys for making great plays. If those same plays had been made by the Cats, and we had a bunch of griz fans crowing about how lucky we got, I would be pissed because those players work hard to give themselves the skills so that when a rare opportunity presents itself, they are prepared to take full advantage.

It's kind of similar to how all the griz fans crow about how lucky we have been in beating NDSU, Weber, and Idaho State. Most teams don't see game-winning drives in the last seconds very often, but it has happened so many times with Travis, no possible way is that luck.


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Post by info197176 » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:56 pm

You are exactly right BC, Once is luck, twice a trend, thrice talent. Lulay and his team have engineered too many combacks to ever consider them to be "luck". The same with Alan Sanez and blocking kicks, seven career blocks of field goals and extra-points are not luck...they are skill.


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Post by whitetrashgriz » Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:46 pm

BozoneCat wrote:I agree with grizlaw on this one. Us loyal Bobcat fans took particular exception to Bobby Hack when he basically said the Cats got "lucky" in 2003 when we returned a kickoff and returned an interception for a TD. Saenz has blocked WAY too many FG's for that to be called "luck", and you have to give some credit to the DB for being in the right place at the right time - do that often enough, and eventually something good will happen.
totally agree with that one. i'm a little biased because all in all i think that huack is and arrogant ass, but when he said that those plays were luck, i was totally pissed. so, in my opinion, great plays, and great wins, no matter what time of the game, are simply that...great plays.



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Post by Uncle Rico » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:32 pm

bearBAC wrote:
Uncle Rico wrote:Lulay
Bolton
Gatewood
Murray
Groves
Gwinn

That should be enough to score some points on the teddy bears
Here we go again! Last years Mantra aught to work about as good as it did last year! :lol:
teddy dumb,
for your sake you AUGHT to be on your knees praying it does, but
I wouldn't bet on it



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Post by bleedbluegold » Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:41 pm

Grizlaw wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:soo how about that 9-0 victory over N.A.U??
Not that it matters, but even if the score had truly been only 9-0, that would still have been a wider margin than the Cats beat NAU by...
Not like it was a neck and neck game, close all the way -- the Cats got up by 22 before Kramer and Co. became complacent(surprise? Not so much). Hope that doesn't happen when they get up by 22 on the Griz....


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Post by couloir41 » Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:51 pm

gl...it was clearly luck you got a law degree...so as in your case sometimes luck is a factor in certain endeavors and we just don't want to admit it...!



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Post by Uncle Rico » Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:03 pm

bearBAC wrote:
Uncle Rico wrote:
bearBAC wrote:
Uncle Rico wrote:Lulay
Bolton
Gatewood
Murray
Groves
Gwinn

That should be enough to score some points on the teddy bears
Here we go again! Last years Mantra aught to work about as good as it did last year! :lol:
teddy dumb,
for your sake you AUGHT to be on your knees praying it does, but
I wouldn't bet on it
I'll bet my favorite Griz hat against your silly little kitten Berret, This years outcome matches last years!

dumbteddy,
that's exactly what you said about sac state.
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Post by Uncle Rico » Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:46 pm

bearBAC wrote:
Uncle Rico wrote:
bearBAC wrote:
Uncle Rico wrote:
bearBAC wrote:
Uncle Rico wrote:Lulay
Bolton
Gatewood
Murray
Groves
Gwinn

That should be enough to score some points on the teddy bears
Here we go again! Last years Mantra aught to work about as good as it did last year! :lol:
teddy dumb,
for your sake you AUGHT to be on your knees praying it does, but
I wouldn't bet on it
I'll bet my favorite Griz hat against your silly little kitten Berret, This years outcome matches last years!

dumbteddy,
that's exactly what you said about sac state.
Think McFly, Think!
We all know what happened to the A-hole that kept telling Mcfly to think.
I'll be waiting for my car wash, wax and detail!
You probably look like McFly but have the mentality of Biff (rest assured DumBteddy that is not a compliment. if you need further explanation, watch the movie)
btw - you can wash your own kia, fool



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Post by BozoneCat » Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:05 pm

bearBAC wrote:I'll be waiting for my car wash, wax and detail!
Tell your grease monkey co-workers to do it for you. Of course, they'll just laugh at you like all of us do. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Post by Grizlaw » Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:53 am

couloir41 wrote:gl...it was clearly luck you got a law degree...so as in your case sometimes luck is a factor in certain endeavors and we just don't want to admit it...!
You know...after a couple glasses of scotch last night, I wrote a sharp, p!ss and vinegar response to this, but upon reflection, I realize it would be wasted.

Sorry to hear you got rejected from UM law school. ;)

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