Toughest start ever?

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:27 pm

To bad the NCAA isn't "unbiased" ask Wildcat how the Griz get home playoff games.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:39 pm

We don't need to;

It's all about the Benjamins...

Follow the money...

Greed works; greed is good...

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

Money won is twice as sweet as money earned...

The griz are good at packing (hehe, he said packing) the house for playoff games, which translates to $$$ for the NCAA & Chief Albino Officer, Miles Brand (aka Last Kid Picked). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Heck, I bet even gurnsbac has a grasp on the concept...

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:31 pm

El_Gato wrote: The griz are good at packing (hehe, he said packing) the house for playoff games, which translates to $$$ for the NCAA & Chief Albino Officer, Miles Brand (aka Last Kid Picked). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Heck, I bet even gurnsbac has a grasp on the concept...

One of the upsides of being in Grizzlyland....

The 'Cats will have a very difficult non-conference schedule. This weekend will do a lot to detemine if the schedule was a good idea or not. A 'Cat team at 2-2 with a tough schedule looks good, and 5-2 in conference may be good enough to get into the playoffs with 7 wins, especially considering that teams highly ranked in the preseason have lost to some very mediocore teams. I think the 'Cats would have to be fairly content, as the close game against OSU was an unexpected plus, and a 1-1 record against top 15 teams along with a blowout of a Southland team look real impressive.
On the other hand, 1-3 is 1-3, and it just looks bad. Despite the preseason optimism, the 'Sky isn't the powerhouse conference we thought it would be, and a 1-3 non-conference record for the 'Cats would pretty much force the 'Cats into an autobid situation.

The problem with strength of schedule is that there aren't I-AA cream puff teams within bus distance of any BSC school. Thus, Gateway/A-10/SoCon teams can schedule programs with partial or no scholarships or OVC/Big South/MEAC teams which are far weaker than the Great West teams that the BSC plays. Even the I-A games are easier, with the quasi I-AA MAC and Sun Belt conferences a short bus ride away versus flying to a MWC or Big XII school. Thus, Southern Illinois can beat a OVC joke, a D-II, and "barely" lose to Western Michigan and still be considered to have played a decent non-conference schedule after NDSU comes to town.
It's not fair, it's a result of geography and East Coast bias.

LimpKitty · Post by **LimpKitty** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:50 pm

With all of the really bad starts we Cats have had, how do you pick just one of them?

Bozgriz · Post by **Bozgriz** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:44 pm

I would rather be locked in the closet with El Gato than read one more anti Griz post from Wolfman...Dude, get over it. I understand you hate Hauck and that's fine. Move on...

The Griz don't get to host games without regard for their record. Read back over the past years and really analyze it. We traveled to McNeese and Illinois when we were a bottom ranked playoff team, just like we deserved. We would have traveled last year if Southern Illinois hadn't peed down their leg against EWU...and last year's schedule was a good one too!

Do you honestly think they have the same complaints at Delaware, McNeese and other top 1-AA attendance teams??? Hey, win 9 games and you will host a game or two, PERIOD! This year is no different, the top seeds will have 9-2 records or better. The hosting teams will be 8-3 or better.

I commend the Cats for putting together a tough schedule. If it makes them better than they will roll through conference play, get the autobid and maybe host a game...Sound familiar Wolfman???

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:25 am

Bozgriz, i think the biggest complaint has been in the years when the griz do not win the autobid, lose to the Cats on the last weekend and still host a game. They were not the team playing the best ball at the end of the season and still hosted because of attendance and history. the teams playing the best at season end should get the home game. not who wins 3 of 4 games in preseason and does not schedule tough games. It sounds like the selection process is trying to change this and that will be a good thing.

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:33 am

Only problem with your statment Tetoncat is this is the first year in a long time the Griz didn't have a tough out of Conf. sched. Hogan always had us playing quality 1-AA teams or beatable 1-A teams (idaho). (exception Albany) I'm really sorry that the Griz fans are the only ones willing to pony up and support the team in the playoffs, we just must be the best fans in the whole wide 1-AA world. (oh I forgot we are)

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:51 am

tetoncat wrote:Bozgriz, i think the biggest complaint has been in the years when the griz do not win the autobid, lose to the Cats on the last weekend and still host a game. They were not the team playing the best ball at the end of the season and still hosted because of attendance and history. the teams playing the best at season end should get the home game. not who wins 3 of 4 games in preseason and does not schedule tough games. It sounds like the selection process is trying to change this and that will be a good thing.

I didn’t like the change in the payoff when they only rank the top 4 teams (even though the GRIZ have benefited from it) I wish they would again rank all teams 1 -16, matching the 1 and 16, 2 and 15 etc. I hadn't heard of any changes in the payoff pairing system that is in place now. What changes are they looking at?

62GRIZ · Post by **62GRIZ** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:08 am

Bozgriz, i think the biggest complaint has been in the years when the griz do not win the autobid, lose to the Cats on the last weekend and still host a game. They were not the team playing the best ball at the end of the season and still hosted because of attendance and history. the teams playing the best at season end should get the home game. not who wins 3 of 4 games in preseason and does not schedule tough games.

Tetoncat, you have to be kidding!

You are suggesting that the two years the Cats tied and got the autobid they should have had a home game in the playoffs???

Let me refresh your memory:

2002: the Cats end the regular season 8-4 (the worst record of any playoff team) after scheduling creampuffs Adams State and Central Washington (a 16-31 loss by the way). The Grizzlies finish the regular season at 10-2 with NO Division II's scheduled.

2003: the Cats end the regular season 7-6 (the worst record of any playoff team AND the worst record of any playoff team in history) after scheduling creampuffs Gardner-Webb and St. Mary's. The Grizzlies finish the regular season at 9-3 again with no creampuffs on the schedule.

And you think the Cats should have hosted a playoff game because they won the last game of the regular season!???

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:38 am

62Griz, I am simply saying that the Cats were playing better than the Griz in both years. Griz get the home field and win. In 2002 at least they then go on the road to the same place the cats did and lose in second round. Then talk smack about how they went deeper in the playoffs. At that point in the season we had the better team and with a home game, or you having to go on the road since you did not win the conference, the Cats more than likely would have gone farther.

I believe that our conference is tough enough that the auto bid from the Big sky should get the home game over any other teams from the conference that get in.