Coaching Short List

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:48 pm

How about Tommy Lee from western

vike_king · Post by **vike_king** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:50 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:How about Tommy Lee from western

He has a nice track record as a head coach!

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:51 pm

vike_king wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:How about Tommy Lee from western
He has a nice track record as a head coach!

I prefer his early work. Shout at the Devil rocked.

083190 · Post by **083190** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:51 pm

omahacat wrote:Whoever mentioned McElwain and Bailey should think again. They are the main reason why the cats can't win the big games. Ask anyone who played for Mac, he was not the brains it was Orthman.

And under the "Where are they now file"....McElwain is with the Raiders and Ortie is where?

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:51 pm

vike_king wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:How about Tommy Lee from western
He has a nice track record as a head coach!

yeah he has a track record, just ask Justin Hartman lol

FunTailGates · Post by **FunTailGates** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:52 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:How about Tommy Lee from western

I think he is right behind Tommy Lee the drummer from Motley Crue on the list.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:53 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
vike_king wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:How about Tommy Lee from western
He has a nice track record as a head coach!
I prefer his early work. Shout at the Devil rocked.

His movie premiere was "stimulating"

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:54 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
vike_king wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:How about Tommy Lee from western
He has a nice track record as a head coach!
I prefer his early work. Shout at the Devil rocked.

hey if he can attract Pam...hell what am i saying i can attract pam anderson....

Au Blue · Post by **Au Blue** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:11 pm

I prefer Van Diest, especially if he brings along OC Nick Howlett. Do I expect a miracle season from Van Diest in his first year? No. Do I expect continuous playoff appearances after 2-3 years of tutelage from Van Diest? Absolutely. You can say what you want about the difference from NAIA to FCS but don't forget that Van Diest has previous I-AA and Div. I experience. Besides, you recruit different talent levels to the respective divisions. It's what you DO with the kids you get that makes the program. The Carroll program and Van Diest were so well respected he had several players drop down from (the former 1-AA) to play at Carroll. (don't ask for names right now, I'm not that on top of things!) Van Diest and his staff are proven winners and most importantly I think he would be able to resolve some of the recent personal player issues this program has had. Not saying that Kramer isn't one of the best coaches MSU has ever had, I just don't like the fact that he allowed some players to dress so casually "gangsta" style when not dressed out for the game. Just my opinion....

All in all, I think the list of coaches who can come in and make an immediate impact is short. I hope that Fields has been doing his homework all season (surely he expected this to be a possibility). I hope he brings in the right personnel who can make an impact right away. I'd hate to see our fanbase slip because of a couple of rebuilding years.

bcats · Post by **bcats** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:18 pm

I think Van Diest would also increase your fanbase. Caroll has some pretty good fans and a lot of them would rout for a hometown guy. Plus our in state recruiting would improve drasticly. Van Diest even has a Montana kid playing NFL football (Casey Fittsimons Chester, MT). How did MSU and UM miss him?

FiveApples · Post by **FiveApples** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:18 pm

Okay, okay... fine... I'll take the job...

Seriously, good posts with good insight. I'm glad some of you guys out there are up on these things to help people like me out!

I've heard that some people think Van Diest might not be as good a choice as a lot of people are saying (with respect to recruiting). Does anyone have any opinion on this?

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:22 pm

Au Blue wrote:I prefer Van Diest, especially if he brings along OC Nick Howlett. Do I expect a miracle season from Van Diest in his first year? No. Do I expect continuous playoff appearances after 2-3 years of tutelage from Van Diest? Absolutely. You can say what you want about the difference from NAIA to FCS but don't forget that Van Diest has previous I-AA and Div. I experience. Besides, you recruit different talent levels to the respective divisions. It's what you DO with the kids you get that makes the program. The Carroll program and Van Diest were so well respected he had several players drop down from (the former 1-AA) to play at Carroll. (don't ask for names right now, I'm not that on top of things!) Van Diest and his staff are proven winners and most importantly I think he would be able to resolve some of the recent personal player issues this program has had. Not saying that Kramer isn't one of the best coaches MSU has ever had, I just don't like the fact that he allowed some players to dress so casually "gangsta" style when not dressed out for the game. Just my opinion....

All in all, I think the list of coaches who can come in and make an immediate impact is short. I hope that Fields has been doing his homework all season (surely he expected this to be a possibility). I hope he brings in the right personnel who can make an impact right away. I'd hate to see our fanbase slip because of a couple of rebuilding years.

I don't really like the idea of having to wait 2-3 seasons for Mike V to gain his footing. We've done that too many times since 1982 already.

Paul Wulff intrigues me. Two things: He can obviously recruit and win; and he can beat the Griz in Missoula.....maybe that's 3 things?

Au Blue · Post by **Au Blue** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:28 pm

bcats wrote:I think Van Diest would also increase your fanbase. Caroll has some pretty good fans and a lot of them would rout for a hometown guy. Plus our in state recruiting would improve drasticly. Van Diest even has a Montana kid playing NFL football (Casey Fittsimons Chester, MT). How did MSU and UM miss him?

I forgot about that. All the more reason to hire Van Diest and Howlett.... They throw to the tight end!

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:29 pm

omahacat wrote:Whoever mentioned McElwain and Bailey should think again. They are the main reason why the cats can't win the big games. Ask anyone who played for Mac, he was not the brains it was Orthman.

I thought we were blaming A-Rod?

Au Blue · Post by **Au Blue** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:33 pm

Bleedinbluengold wrote: I don't really like the idea of having to wait 2-3 seasons for Mike V to gain his footing. We've done that too many times since 1982 already.

Paul Wulff intrigues me. Two things: He can obviously recruit and win; and he can beat the Griz in Missoula.....maybe that's 3 things?

I think that's the risk you run no matter who you hire. The new coach may come and totally revamp the offense and it make take the guys a year or two to get used to the new system. I hope it doesn't happen either... I'm just being realistic and looking for the coach I think would be best for the long haul and not necessarily the immediate future. I agree that Wulff has a recruiting advantage... that being said, I'm hoping that the recent post season win and the early season win over Colorado will help "self recruit" some kids and thus it may not be that big of a factor the first year or two.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:43 pm

Au Blue wrote:
Bleedinbluengold wrote: I don't really like the idea of having to wait 2-3 seasons for Mike V to gain his footing. We've done that too many times since 1982 already.

Paul Wulff intrigues me. Two things: He can obviously recruit and win; and he can beat the Griz in Missoula.....maybe that's 3 things?
I think that's the risk you run no matter who you hire. The new coach may come and totally revamp the offense and it make take the guys a year or two to get used to the new system. I hope it doesn't happen either... I'm just being realistic and looking for the coach I think would be best for the long haul and not necessarily the immediate future. I agree that Wulff has a recruiting advantage... that being said, I'm hoping that the recent post season win and the early season win over Colorado will help "self recruit" some kids and thus it may not be that big of a factor the first year or two.

One other thing about Paul - he has watched film of our guys, and he might be able to make the most of our current players' athletic potential in a short period of time...Plus, he already has a list of potential recruits that can play Big Sky football........maybe that's 2 things?

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:54 pm

Bleedinbluengold wrote:
Au Blue wrote:I prefer Van Diest, especially if he brings along OC Nick Howlett. Do I expect a miracle season from Van Diest in his first year? No. Do I expect continuous playoff appearances after 2-3 years of tutelage from Van Diest? Absolutely. You can say what you want about the difference from NAIA to FCS but don't forget that Van Diest has previous I-AA and Div. I experience. Besides, you recruit different talent levels to the respective divisions. It's what you DO with the kids you get that makes the program. The Carroll program and Van Diest were so well respected he had several players drop down from (the former 1-AA) to play at Carroll. (don't ask for names right now, I'm not that on top of things!) Van Diest and his staff are proven winners and most importantly I think he would be able to resolve some of the recent personal player issues this program has had. Not saying that Kramer isn't one of the best coaches MSU has ever had, I just don't like the fact that he allowed some players to dress so casually "gangsta" style when not dressed out for the game. Just my opinion....

All in all, I think the list of coaches who can come in and make an immediate impact is short. I hope that Fields has been doing his homework all season (surely he expected this to be a possibility). I hope he brings in the right personnel who can make an impact right away. I'd hate to see our fanbase slip because of a couple of rebuilding years.
I don't really like the idea of having to wait 2-3 seasons for Mike V to gain his footing. We've done that too many times since 1982 already.

Paul Wulff intrigues me. Two things: He can obviously recruit and win; and he can beat the Griz in Missoula.....maybe that's 3 things?

Ya - and he's beaten us 3 years in a row!!!

outtastate · Post by **outtastate** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:55 pm

A guy to take a look at would be John Zamberlin, HC from Central Washington, he has had success versus Big Sky teams and he is shopping. I know ISU is interviewing him tomorrow. He has a good record versus MSU and he did beat EWU this season also..... Get it going fans/alums, get this guy over there. Zamberlin and Van Diest have been battling as well, and I think they have a split record versus each other.

omahacat · Post by **omahacat** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:08 pm

Orty was with Sac State but Mooshagian got the boot, so who knows. We spoke to him last spring and he sounds good.

mtsportsfan · Post by **mtsportsfan** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:08 pm

outtastate wrote:A guy to take a look at would be John Zamberlin, HC from Central Washington, he has had success versus Big Sky teams and he is shopping. I know ISU is interviewing him tomorrow. He has a good record versus MSU and he did beat EWU this season also..... Get it going fans/alums, get this guy over there. Zamberlin and Van Diest have been battling as well, and I think they have a split record versus each other.

If I remember right, Zamberlin and Central Washington have backed out of playing Carroll after Carroll beat them the last two years. Why would we want Zamberlin over Van Diest? Why am I even responding to this post?

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