Kramer to Idaho?

bobcatgrad2005 · Post by **bobcatgrad2005** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:33 pm

An AD with any sense would have offered Kramer a 3 year contract at the first opportunity. Lets face it, if Kramer leaves, Fields lost a chance to "earn" a huge payout from another university. That money could be going towards skyboxes or debt reduction...

GavinDonos · Post by **GavinDonos** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:58 pm

couloir41 wrote:van deist has...let's say a very archaic (sp) coaching style...not condusive to upper level athletes who are not in need of his style of motivation...additionally...i am not convinced he has the personality to continue to promote the program which is a huge aspect of the head coaching duties particularly at msu...

so i am not excited about van deist as head coach...

I was thinking along those lines as well. Plus, I'd imagine that it is a lot easier to recruit for a NAIA team in a MT based league than it is at the DI level. Does Van Deist have any national connections to recruit with? DI is a totally different beast, and like Kramer always says, coaching in IAA (FCS) is a young man's job. You've got to recruit your ass off all over the place if you want to land top quality athletes. At Carrol I'd say VD probably got first pick of all the marginal players we/ UM passed up, which is more than enough talent for the NAIA level.

I don't know if Van Deist would be the answer we're looking for.

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:00 pm

083190 wrote:With everything bad happening for the Raiders, would Jim McElwain be interested? It would be a huge pay cut. Bailey is a good option, despite what some have said on this board. Having said that. Kramer is still the coach as of today and we don't need to hire anyone until that changes. Let's not put the cart before the horse. He won't leave until there is somewhere to go. If he does move on, good luck and lets get the next guy hired soon. An AD with any sense has a short list at all times.

Bailey? Pulease! Mr Personality. I think he is a good OC, but as a head coach he's like an inanimate object!

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:03 pm

bobcatgrad2005 wrote:An AD with any sense would have offered Kramer a 3 year contract at the first opportunity. Lets face it, if Kramer leaves, Fields lost a chance to "earn" a huge payout from another university. That money could be going towards skyboxes or debt reduction...

i don't know if the offer was made...but Kramer said he didn't want it if it was. He said Bobby hauck was becoming his new best friend because they were in the same boat.

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:05 pm

Some people on the Idaho board think they will be hiring John L. Smith again. After what they just went through with a coach who had been there once before and then moved on to bigger programs, I have a hard time seeing why they would do it again right away. Good for us if they do hire Smith, though!

bobcatgrad2005 · Post by **bobcatgrad2005** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:06 pm

Well I hope they are right, but it would shure make me loose what little respect I have for the University of Idaho.

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:26 pm

MSU01 wrote:Some people on the Idaho board think they will be hiring John L. Smith again. After what they just went through with a coach who had been there once before and then moved on to bigger programs, I have a hard time seeing why they would do it again right away. Good for us if they do hire Smith, though!

It wouldn't surprise me if they re-hired John L. He did well at Louisville and just got booted from Mich. St. so he's looking for a job.

bobcatbob · Post by **bobcatbob** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:35 pm

As I mentioned earlier Van Diest has all kinds of connections as he has been an assistant in some big time programs. He was at Northwestern and has been at Wyoming and some others. This is a man that has years of expereince and has been extremely successful.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:25 pm

Here is an idea: Gran Valley state's coach

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:28 pm

If Kramer were to leave, and we hired Van Diest, what would be the chances of keeping Christoff on as DC? From the sounds of some early season conflicts, I don't know if Kramer would take Christoff with him. Rob really has our D rolling now, I would hate to see him go.

1BadBobcat · Post by **1BadBobcat** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:39 pm

GavinDonos wrote:
couloir41 wrote:van deist has...let's say a very archaic (sp) coaching style...not condusive to upper level athletes who are not in need of his style of motivation...additionally...i am not convinced he has the personality to continue to promote the program which is a huge aspect of the head coaching duties particularly at msu...

so i am not excited about van deist as head coach...
I was thinking along those lines as well. Plus, I'd imagine that it is a lot easier to recruit for a NAIA team in a MT based league than it is at the DI level. Does Van Deist have any national connections to recruit with? DI is a totally different beast, and like Kramer always says, coaching in IAA (FCS) is a young man's job. You've got to recruit your ass off all over the place if you want to land top quality athletes. At Carrol I'd say VD probably got first pick of all the marginal players we/ UM passed up, which is more than enough talent for the NAIA level.

I don't know if Van Deist would be the answer we're looking for.

You are correct in this aspect. I also agree with the fact that the reason he got so many Montana kids is because Carroll is at the NAIA level. One, the budgets are just not as big. Recruiting is much more localized. Two, it is NAIA after all and just aren't going to fill your rosters with out-of-state kids. And three, Carroll being a private, Catholic college probably has its limitations also as to walk-ons, etc.

That being said, you still need to strap on the pads and play every Saturday. And VanDiest has his team ready to play better than anyone else. By no means should we stop the conversation with him, but VanDiest clearly has to be among the candidates IF Krames decides to move on. Again, we are all just speculating, and I won't be a bit surprised if we are over-reacting and Coach K decides to stay on at MSU. I have mentioned this several times, and maybe I am just an optimist, but I think Kramer stays.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:02 pm

How about Sampson at Northern. He has really turned that program around and if you can recruit athletes to come to Havre, you must be able to recruit. I saw someone mention Gran Valley State, a Dll powerhouse. Just watching them on TV. 3 national titles since 2002 and winning the semifinal game right now. Might be an interesting prospect but I think we need to retain at least some of the staff to continue the run we are making. We have a ton of returning players and need to utilize them.

vike_king · Post by **vike_king** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:11 pm

tetoncat wrote:How about Sampson at Northern. He has really turned that program around and if you can recruit athletes to come to Havre, you must be able to recruit. I saw someone mention Gran Valley State, a Dll powerhouse. Just watching them on TV. 3 national titles since 2002 and winning the semifinal game right now. Might be an interesting prospect but I think we need to retain at least some of the staff to continue the run we are making. We have a ton of returning players and need to utilize them.

I seem to remember us hiring a coach who had won a bunch of Division-II national championships at North Dakota and that being the beginning of the end of Bobcat football for a lot of years!

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:12 pm

this team actually throws the ball once in a while.

gbkat · Post by **gbkat** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:18 pm

Christoff is Kramer's longest tenured current assistant and has been through this entire experience with him. He would most likely take him. I have also heard that Christoff is one of our top-notch recruiters bringing us both Mason and Groves. Those who have played for Christoff say he is an amazing teacher. We are lucky to have him as our DC. My guess is that he is happy being a DC.....Kramer has said he is like a "mad scientist" when it comes to defensive schemes. He should be on the short list if it comes to that. I agree. Not so sure about Bailey.

old wise one · Post by **old wise one** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:32 pm

It was reported on the 6 o'clock Boise news that the U of I job was down to 4 candidates: Kramer, Hauck, John L. Smith and Dunn from ASU

Weltercat · Post by **Weltercat** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:33 pm

If Coack Kramer leaves which I think he will, I hope to god Van Diest does not get hired to coach the cats.

The last time we hired a very successful coach with several national titles from a lower division we got Earle Solomonson. Div 1AA is not NAIA or Div II. Let the griz have him. I think we need to look at a young hungry successful OC or DC from a pac-10 or big 10 school. Go after someone on Dirk Koetter's staff.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:35 pm

I would say go after Bob Green from tech. yes i know he has been coaching for zeons, but he would at least make a entertaining mouthpiece for bobcat football

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:36 pm

old wise one wrote:It was reported on the 6 o'clock Boise news that the U of I job was down to 4 candidates: Kramer, Hauck, John L. Smith and Dunn from ASU

im not trying to turn this into a smack thread but:

please, dear lord god, make your humble servernt Hell's Bells happy and let Hauck take the Idaho job....

bobcatgrad2005 · Post by **bobcatgrad2005** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:39 pm

No one on Vandal Venue wants Hauck. They recognize the difference between raising MSU from the ashes and not screwing up at UM.