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[SonomaCat]

Didn't Josh Lewis fumble the ball before he crossed the goal line after his long reception into the end zone which was subsequently recovered by the Griz for a touchback? Not that the ref missed that one either of course, since he didn't go out of bounds before the fumble & all. Can't call it unless you see it I guess.

The ball actually hit the pylon ... that's out of bounds by rule, isn't it?

Nope, the pylon is considered part of the endzone. Thus if you are trying to score and hit the endzone it is a TD. Therefore, IF it was a fumble, it would have been Griz ball at the twenty yard line.

So if a ball bounces off the pylon, it's still live? Are you sure?

If think the rule you are thinking about is the one that says that the pylon is part of the endzone when one is trying to break the plane of the goal line.

If the ball hits the pylan on a fumble, I am pretty sure it's no longer live ball.

The ball may have gone out of bounds prior to that as well, but I am pretty sure I saw it bounce off the pylon.

[longhorn_22]

Didn't Josh Lewis fumble the ball before he crossed the goal line after his long reception into the end zone which was subsequently recovered by the Griz for a touchback? Not that the ref missed that one either of course, since he didn't go out of bounds before the fumble & all. Can't call it unless you see it I guess.

The ball actually hit the pylon ... that's out of bounds by rule, isn't it?

Nope, the pylon is considered part of the endzone. Thus if you are trying to score and hit the endzone it is a TD. Therefore, IF it was a fumble, it would have been Griz ball at the twenty yard line.

Too bad they ruled that he stepped out before the ball came out. Your guys' argument is irrelevent.

[GRZZ]

Didn't Josh Lewis fumble the ball before he crossed the goal line after his long reception into the end zone which was subsequently recovered by the Griz for a touchback? Not that the ref missed that one either of course, since he didn't go out of bounds before the fumble & all. Can't call it unless you see it I guess.

The ball actually hit the pylon ... that's out of bounds by rule, isn't it?

Nope, the pylon is considered part of the endzone. Thus if you are trying to score and hit the endzone it is a TD. Therefore, IF it was a fumble, it would have been Griz ball at the twenty yard line.

So if a ball bounces off the pylon, it's still live? Are you sure?

If think the rule you are thinking about is the one that says that the pylon is part of the endzone when one is trying to break the plane of the goal line.

If the ball hits the pylan on a fumble, I am pretty sure it's no longer live ball.

The ball may have gone out of bounds prior to that as well, but I am pretty sure I saw it bounce off the pylon.

No, once the ball hit the pylon it was a dead ball, but because the pylon is part of the endzone it would have been a touchback because fumbles that go out of bounds in the endzone go to the defense. If the ball had went out even inches before the pylon though, it would remain the offense's ball.

[GRZZ]

Didn't Josh Lewis fumble the ball before he crossed the goal line after his long reception into the end zone which was subsequently recovered by the Griz for a touchback? Not that the ref missed that one either of course, since he didn't go out of bounds before the fumble & all. Can't call it unless you see it I guess.

The ball actually hit the pylon ... that's out of bounds by rule, isn't it?

Nope, the pylon is considered part of the endzone. Thus if you are trying to score and hit the endzone it is a TD. Therefore, IF it was a fumble, it would have been Griz ball at the twenty yard line.

Too bad they ruled that he stepped out before the ball came out. Your guys' argument is irrelevent.

And your argument about the facemask that wasn't called is irrelevant as well because it wasn't called. That is what you are saying. I was just commenting on the fumble rules, the calls were made as they were, but if a thread is started with hypotheticals for one team, the other team can state their hypotheticals as well, can't they?

[SonomaCat]

Ahh, gotcha ... some people we were watching it with were making the point that the Griz recovered it, yada, yada, yada. I hadn't thought about it as you noted it.

That said, it obviously went out of bounds before the goal line ... or the runner was out of bounds. Or whatever.

Did you see that facemask!!!!!!

[twentythreeOh4]

Didn't Josh Lewis fumble the ball before he crossed the goal line after his long reception into the end zone which was subsequently recovered by the Griz for a touchback? Not that the ref missed that one either of course, since he didn't go out of bounds before the fumble & all. Can't call it unless you see it I guess.

The ball actually hit the pylon ... that's out of bounds by rule, isn't it?

I don't think so. If a player reaches the ball out and hits the pylon when they are going outbounds it is a TD.

Lewis was carrying the ball like a loaf of bread in his right hand, he started to switch the ball to his left arm just when he got hit, and he lost control of the ball before he went out of bounds.

[SonomaCat]

Didn't Josh Lewis fumble the ball before he crossed the goal line after his long reception into the end zone which was subsequently recovered by the Griz for a touchback? Not that the ref missed that one either of course, since he didn't go out of bounds before the fumble & all. Can't call it unless you see it I guess.

The ball actually hit the pylon ... that's out of bounds by rule, isn't it?

I don't think so. If a player reaches the ball out and hits the pylon when they are going outbounds it is a TD.

Lewis was carrying the ball like a loaf of bread in his right hand, he started to switch the ball to his left arm just when he got hit, and he lost control of the ball before he went out of bounds.

Okay ... I think I've figured it all out.

I'm right with my the point you and I are discussing -- the pylon IS out of bounds.

But I do agree with GRZZ's point about a fumbled ball going out of bounds in the end zone by hitting the pylon.

[GRZZ]

Ahh, gotcha ... some people we were watching it with were making the point that the Griz recovered it, yada, yada, yada. I hadn't thought about it as you noted it.

That said, it obviously went out of bounds before the goal line ... or the runner was out of bounds. Or whatever.

Did you see that facemask!!!!!!

Hahah...what facemask?

[STREETCAT]

Didn't Josh Lewis fumble the ball before he crossed the goal line after his long reception into the end zone which was subsequently recovered by the Griz for a touchback? Not that the ref missed that one either of course, since he didn't go out of bounds before the fumble & all. Can't call it unless you see it I guess.

The ball actually hit the pylon ... that's out of bounds by rule, isn't it?

Nope, the pylon is considered part of the endzone. Thus if you are trying to score and hit the endzone it is a TD. Therefore, IF it was a fumble, it would have been Griz ball at the twenty yard line.

Lewis was out at the four that play happened right in front of me and he was clearly out of bounce when the ball came out. You griz fans should be thankfull wheaton droped the ball in the endzone there in the fourth quarter.

[El_Gato]

Cat fans should be grateful for the refs, they're the only reason they scored on saturday.

Give me a break. Another entry for stupidest post of the year.

[CatsRback]

I'm curious - did the Tribune have a caption under that pic? Pretty clear that it was a facemask - could have changed the entire game? Did the Trib say anything about the officiating?

[Thunder Cat]

The trib didn't have to say anything.....that picture says it all. I was just another bad call that went in the griz favor.

I watched the Cat TD on TV and he clearly stepped out of bounds at the 4 before the ball was fumbled into the pilon. It shoyld have actually been spotted at the 1 yard line instead of the 4, as that was about where his forward progress was when he stepped out of bounds.

[webdav]

I was screaming at the TV on that play. How can anyone in their right mind say it had nothing to do with the outcome?

Instead of an INT (which I believe the Griz ended up converting into 3 pointes, I could be wrong, I was still agitated), it would have been first down Cats after a personal foul.

And as far as the pylon, etc., it is a stupid argument since the play was called out of bounds four yards earlier.

(Notice I didn't even mention the pass interference on the 4th down at the end of the game. Oops, guess I just did.)

Oh well, we're hosting a playoff game and we're going to make another run. It's time for another winning streak, Cats!!!

[Weltercat]

PHOTOSHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prototype bandwagon fiz fan.

[Htowngriz]

PHOTOSHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prototype bandwagon fiz fan.

Did you notice the wink, welter?

[Sportin' Life]

Like I said before the game....I'll practice my celebratory drinking and you guys practice your whining about the refs and by game time we'll both be ready.....

[Weltercat]

PHOTOSHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prototype bandwagon fiz fan.

Did you notice the wink, welter?

Nope

[Htowngriz]

PHOTOSHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prototype bandwagon fiz fan.

Did you notice the wink, welter?

Nope

sounds about right

[KillintheGriz]

And no one believes me the refs allow this sh$t in Missoula just like they allow two-three step travelling violations to star pro BB players. The ref was exactly in front of this play and should have seen it plain as day. Ended up in an interception. Now, think back to the final two minutes in the Cal Poly game and the blatantly bad call with the 4th down forward progress spot. See a trend here?

[maroon]

Grabbing the face mask should have been called but I do not think the Griz intercepted that pass. The Griz had three pics: Jackson, Thomas and Anderson. The Griz in this pic looks like Jimmy Wilson. He intercepted a pass but it was waived off due to interference.