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I'll be the first to admit I focus too much on sports and not enough on academics at MSU, but this spring's Collegian (MSU magazine) is teeming with accomplishments at MSU. Joe Thiel is a MSU's latest (third in the last six years and 10th overall) Rhodes Scholar and Bryan Vadheim is MSU's first Marshall Scholar. Thiel's and Marshall's announcements actually came back in November (maybe someone posted this already) and there's just a small write-up on Thiel, but you can read more here: http://www.montana.edu/cpa/news/nwview. ... icle=11617" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; And here's more on Vadheim: http://www.montana.edu/cpa/news/nwview. ... icle=11616" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You may recognize Thiel's name from elsewhere. He is the student rep to the Montana Board of Regents and has been mentioned in many of those articles regarding Pat Williams.

The article someone from bobcatnation.com wrote about our sports neighborhood is also recognized in this issue and there's a lot of other impressive pieces in there.

Congrats to those two!

This is all a result of Cruzado's leadership and vision that is spreading throughout MSU. More good news:

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It was also recently announced that MSU had four more goldwater scholarship winners. MSU continues to be one of the top Goldwater Scholarship producers in the country.

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LTown Cat wrote:Congrats to those two!

This is all a result of Cruzado's leadership and vision that is spreading throughout MSU. More good news:

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/ne ... 963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow, and with Williams being rejected the deck could get stacked even more in MSU's favor.

So am I reading it right that MSU's enrollment is now a couple thousand higher than UM (once you exclude the vo-tech in Missoula, which isn't something that accredited Universities generally count as far I know)?

If so, that's really a huge change from the historical norms, isn't it?

Bay Area Cat wrote:So am I reading it right that MSU's enrollment is now a couple thousand higher than UM (once you exclude the vo-tech in Missoula, which isn't something that accredited Universities generally count as far I know)?

If so, that's really a huge change from the historical norms, isn't it?

I think MSU's number also includes some vo-tech(?) numbers, so it might be closer to 1,000. I don't recall MSU ever having a higher enrollment than UM. Sounds like coachouert has a good handle on enrollment numbers. coach?

My dorky brother likes to wear his UM t-shirt that has a list of the number of Rhodes and other scholars the school has produced on the front, then on the back it says something like, "We can play some football, too." Then it lists their football accolades on the back. I know they have more Rhodes Scholars, but most of them came over 50 years ago. MSU has produced a lot more than UM in recent years and has quite a few in other categories (Goldwater as wbtfg noted). I like how we stack up with them, historically, in sports also. We need our own t-shirt.

I dont think UM has had a rhodes scholar since 1993. MSU has had multiple rhodes recipients since then.

TomCat88 wrote:

Bay Area Cat wrote:So am I reading it right that MSU's enrollment is now a couple thousand higher than UM (once you exclude the vo-tech in Missoula, which isn't something that accredited Universities generally count as far I know)?

If so, that's really a huge change from the historical norms, isn't it?

I think MSU's number also includes some vo-tech(?) numbers, so it might be closer to 1,000. I don't recall MSU ever having a higher enrollment than UM. Sounds like coachouert has a good handle on enrollment numbers. coach?

Here is what I posted in the Pat Williams thread:

Typically both UM and MSU count their two year enrollment when posting numbers. MSU's enrollment is 14,660 (including the 228 Gallatin College students). UM's enrollment is 14,946 (including the 2,467 Missoula College students). When comparing main to main campus MSU has 14,432 vs UM's 12,479.

http://mus.edu/data/enrollment/MUS%20En ... 202012.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

MSU has seen an increase in both resident and non-resident undergraduates for the last six or so year, so as an institution, it is doing very well.

UM has been seeing a declining enrollment of undergraduates for the last few years, while MSU has seen an increase in enrollment of undergraduates. I don't personally think it is anything that UM has done as an institution for the most part so much as MSU has many of the "hot" programs that students (or their parents decide they should seek) like engineering for example. The Graduate School at UM continues to dominate MSU so their graduate student numbers are much larger.

Oh, and you guys are showing your age: they haven't been called "vo-techs" in over a decade.

coachouert wrote:

TomCat88 wrote:

Bay Area Cat wrote:So am I reading it right that MSU's enrollment is now a couple thousand higher than UM (once you exclude the vo-tech in Missoula, which isn't something that accredited Universities generally count as far I know)?

If so, that's really a huge change from the historical norms, isn't it?

I think MSU's number also includes some vo-tech(?) numbers, so it might be closer to 1,000. I don't recall MSU ever having a higher enrollment than UM. Sounds like coachouert has a good handle on enrollment numbers. coach?

Here is what I posted in the Pat Williams thread:

Typically both UM and MSU count their two year enrollment when posting numbers. MSU's enrollment is 14,660 (including the 228 Gallatin College students). UM's enrollment is 14,946 (including the 2,467 Missoula College students). When comparing main to main campus MSU has 14,432 vs UM's 12,479.

http://mus.edu/data/enrollment/MUS%20En" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 202012.pdf

MSU has seen an increase in both resident and non-resident undergraduates for the last six or so year, so as an institution, it is doing very well.

UM has been seeing a declining enrollment of undergraduates for the last few years, while MSU has seen an increase in enrollment of undergraduates. I don't personally think it is anything that UM has done as an institution for the most part so much as MSU has many of the "hot" programs that students (or their parents decide they should seek) like engineering for example. The Graduate School at UM continues to dominate MSU so their graduate student numbers are much larger.

Oh, and you guys are showing your age: they haven't been called "vo-techs" in over a decade.

You young whipper-snappers and your fancy vocabularies!