Program just got destroyed
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Re: Program just got destroyed
The new normal for basketball.
Hope you get an undiscovered gem.
Then try to keep. Both players and coaches.
Hope you get an undiscovered gem.
Then try to keep. Both players and coaches.
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Re: Program just got destroyed
Welcome to the new world of NCAA sports. Pisses me off. But, it is what it is.
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I, for one, think Coach Logie is a great pick (276-58 career mark? Get out of town!) and very much look forward to seeing what he can do.
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We should be happy to find those gems occasionally develop them and enjoy our time cheering for them, then cheer when they move on to higher NIL and bigger programs cause that's just the way it is, and they deserve it.Montanabob wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 5:25 pmThe new normal for basketball.
Hope you get an undiscovered gem.
Then try to keep. Both players and coaches.
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Yep. If you told any Bobcat fan back in 2019 when Sprinkle was hired that he'd be at MSU for four years and win championships in years 3 and 4 before moving up to a better job, they'd have been ecstatic. The player transfers are unfortunate but that's how it's going to be, and the good news is that every outgoing transfer can be replaced by an incoming one who may be just as good as the guy who left.tetoncat wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:45 pmWe should be happy to find those gems occasionally develop them and enjoy our time cheering for them, then cheer when they move on to higher NIL and bigger programs cause that's just the way it is, and they deserve it.Montanabob wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 5:25 pmThe new normal for basketball.
Hope you get an undiscovered gem.
Then try to keep. Both players and coaches.
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We should be happy to find those gems occasionally develop them and enjoy our time cheering for them, then cheer when they move on to higher NIL and bigger programs cause that's just the way it is, and they deserve it.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:32 pm[quote=tetoncat post_id=821902 time=<a href="tel:1681872317">1681872317</a> user_id=636]
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The new normal for basketball.
Hope you get an undiscovered gem.
Then try to keep. Both players and coaches.
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Yep. If you told any Bobcat fan back in 2019 when Sprinkle was hired that he'd be at MSU for four years and win championships in years 3 and 4 before moving up to a better job, they'd have been ecstatic. The player transfers are unfortunate but that's how it's going to be, and the good news is that every outgoing transfer can be replaced by an incoming one who may be just as good as the guy who left.
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Amen! MSU01! It’s all good! Not going to be easy, but it’s all good!MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:32 pmYep. If you told any Bobcat fan back in 2019 when Sprinkle was hired that he'd be at MSU for four years and win championships in years 3 and 4 before moving up to a better job, they'd have been ecstatic. The player transfers are unfortunate but that's how it's going to be, and the good news is that every outgoing transfer can be replaced by an incoming one who may be just as good as the guy who left.tetoncat wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:45 pmWe should be happy to find those gems occasionally develop them and enjoy our time cheering for them, then cheer when they move on to higher NIL and bigger programs cause that's just the way it is, and they deserve it.Montanabob wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 5:25 pmThe new normal for basketball.
Hope you get an undiscovered gem.
Then try to keep. Both players and coaches.
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I was talking to my brother in law yesterday and I have come to the conclusion that the younger you are the more willing you are to accept this changed landscape and the older folks like me are disgusted and are losing interest in today’s musical chairs of rotating rosters. I do have respect and confidence in Leon Costello during these challenging times. That’s the good news.
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I agree with your conclusion on Leon and the quality of this hire.
As a mid level septuagenarian, I have a different take on your acceptance conclusion. I believe that one's ability to accept change is largely driven by the ability to think critically. I acknowledge that us older folk got less training in critical thinking so my generation not generally does have the same level of critical thinking skills as later generations. The increase in critical thinkiing skills gives me hope that the future is bright.
As a mid level septuagenarian, I have a different take on your acceptance conclusion. I believe that one's ability to accept change is largely driven by the ability to think critically. I acknowledge that us older folk got less training in critical thinking so my generation not generally does have the same level of critical thinking skills as later generations. The increase in critical thinkiing skills gives me hope that the future is bright.
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As someone who is rapidly nearing Medicare age, my critical thinking makes me want to qualify your last sentence. I think the future is bright within the Big Sky Conference, but even more bleak than ever for any success post season. Since the Big Sky is now a minor league for the bigger schools, everyone is in the same boat.thefrank1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:36 amI agree with your conclusion on Leon and the quality of this hire.
As a mid level septuagenarian, I have a different take on your acceptance conclusion. I believe that one's ability to accept change is largely driven by the ability to think critically. I acknowledge that us older folk got less training in critical thinking so my generation not generally does have the same level of critical thinking skills as later generations. The increase in critical thinkiing skills gives me hope that the future is bright.
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vike_king wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:58 amAs someone who is rapidly nearing Medicare age, my critical thinking makes me want to qualify your last sentence. I think the future is bright within the Big Sky Conference, but even more bleak than ever for any success post season. Since the Big Sky is now a developmental league for the bigger schools, everyone is in the same boat.thefrank1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:36 amI agree with your conclusion on Leon and the quality of this hire.
As a mid level septuagenarian, I have a different take on your acceptance conclusion. I believe that one's ability to accept change is largely driven by the ability to think critically. I acknowledge that us older folk got less training in critical thinking so my generation not generally does have the same level of critical thinking skills as later generations. The increase in critical thinkiing skills gives me hope that the future is bright.
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vike_king wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:59 amvike_king wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:58 amAs someone who is rapidly nearing Medicare age, my critical thinking makes me want to qualify your last sentence. I think the future is bright within the Big Sky Conference, but even more bleak than ever for any success post season. Since the Big Sky is now a developmental league for the bigger money schools, everyone is in the same boat.thefrank1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:36 amI agree with your conclusion on Leon and the quality of this hire.
As a mid level septuagenarian, I have a different take on your acceptance conclusion. I believe that one's ability to accept change is largely driven by the ability to think critically. I acknowledge that us older folk got less training in critical thinking so my generation not generally does have the same level of critical thinking skills as later generations. The increase in critical thinkiing skills gives me hope that the future is bright.
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I agree with you on this making the BSC less relevant on the national scale. I know this isn't about football, but not long ago I was not a fan of MSU moving up to FBS football. I do think that the lower levels have become farm leagues for the bigger schools, so it is looking like MSU needs to find the highest level it can be competitive at and try to get there. Hopefully that level includes its own national championship that schools like MSU can compete for. With "free agency" for players in college athletics, there will always be guys who want to try to make it at that next level. If you're at Idaho State, you might want to move up to a Montana State to try and play for a BSC title and play in an NCAA tournament. But if you're at MSU, you might want to move up to a Utah State to try and win a game or two. And if you're at USU, you might want to try for a program that can make it to an Elite Eight. And if you're at an Elite 8/blue blood school, maybe you're just looking to stay for a year and get to the NBA. I don't think there's a level that's immune to this. As fans, we have to decide if we want to take the good with the bad and even be fans of college athletics as it is now.vike_king wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:58 amAs someone who is rapidly nearing Medicare age, my critical thinking makes me want to qualify your last sentence. I think the future is bright within the Big Sky Conference, but even more bleak than ever for any success post season. Since the Big Sky is now a minor league for the bigger schools, everyone is in the same boat.thefrank1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:36 amI agree with your conclusion on Leon and the quality of this hire.
As a mid level septuagenarian, I have a different take on your acceptance conclusion. I believe that one's ability to accept change is largely driven by the ability to think critically. I acknowledge that us older folk got less training in critical thinking so my generation not generally does have the same level of critical thinking skills as later generations. The increase in critical thinkiing skills gives me hope that the future is bright.
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I’m a younger person, and I’m not going to pretend I like the constant changing of roster and coaches…but it’s difficult for me to grasp how people don’t understand why it’s happening and how it’s not awful. It’s not going to change, so we just gotta Buck up and live with it. I love sports (too much sometimes) but at the end of the day it’s just entertainment. I’m not going to live and breathe off of if we’re good or not, that’s not healthy.thefrank1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:36 amI agree with your conclusion on Leon and the quality of this hire.
As a mid level septuagenarian, I have a different take on your acceptance conclusion. I believe that one's ability to accept change is largely driven by the ability to think critically. I acknowledge that us older folk got less training in critical thinking so my generation not generally does have the same level of critical thinking skills as later generations. The increase in critical thinkiing skills gives me hope that the future is bright.
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Bull, you are saying older people can't think critically so don't accept portal? Maybe it is that they just like knowing at least 1/2 the players that they are cheering for.thefrank1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:36 amI agree with your conclusion on Leon and the quality of this hire.
As a mid level septuagenarian, I have a different take on your acceptance conclusion. I believe that one's ability to accept change is largely driven by the ability to think critically. I acknowledge that us older folk got less training in critical thinking so my generation not generally does have the same level of critical thinking skills as later generations. The increase in critical thinkiing skills gives me hope that the future is bright.
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I think football is entirely relevant to this discussion, right now the problem holding MSU back is cash and the football program picks up a lot of the slack for everything else. MSU moving up to FBS would not only be big for football it would provide a huge infusion of cash to hire/keep coaches, trainers, players, etc. all across the board. Its needed now more than ever with the rising cost of living in Bozeman.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:31 amI agree with you on this making the BSC less relevant on the national scale. I know this isn't about football, but not long ago I was not a fan of MSU moving up to FBS football. I do think that the lower levels have become farm leagues for the bigger schools, so it is looking like MSU needs to find the highest level it can be competitive at and try to get there. Hopefully that level includes its own national championship that schools like MSU can compete for. With "free agency" for players in college athletics, there will always be guys who want to try to make it at that next level. If you're at Idaho State, you might want to move up to a Montana State to try and play for a BSC title and play in an NCAA tournament. But if you're at MSU, you might want to move up to a Utah State to try and win a game or two. And if you're at USU, you might want to try for a program that can make it to an Elite Eight. And if you're at an Elite 8/blue blood school, maybe you're just looking to stay for a year and get to the NBA. I don't think there's a level that's immune to this. As fans, we have to decide if we want to take the good with the bad and even be fans of college athletics as it is now.vike_king wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:58 amAs someone who is rapidly nearing Medicare age, my critical thinking makes me want to qualify your last sentence. I think the future is bright within the Big Sky Conference, but even more bleak than ever for any success post season. Since the Big Sky is now a minor league for the bigger schools, everyone is in the same boat.thefrank1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:36 amI agree with your conclusion on Leon and the quality of this hire.
As a mid level septuagenarian, I have a different take on your acceptance conclusion. I believe that one's ability to accept change is largely driven by the ability to think critically. I acknowledge that us older folk got less training in critical thinking so my generation not generally does have the same level of critical thinking skills as later generations. The increase in critical thinkiing skills gives me hope that the future is bright.
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That is very interesting, or maybe it isn't? Why would they go to that if they're 100% leaving MSU... unless the administration asked them to for the optics? Total WAG on my part, who knows.
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Yup. Optics for both paries involved. But until they transfer, they can always for their scholarship back, but MSU not required to let them come back with or without a scholarship.
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Battle and Osobor both stated publicly that returning is on the table. I mean I’d put Battle at like 5% and Osobor a bit higher at 15% but they did say it was in consideration. I don’t believe Ford has said that.
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