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But this has been a consistent theme with Huse led teams throughout his time at MSU. They start the season strong and get some tough out of conference wins, make a little noise in conference and then fade...... badly. This is a bottom of the barrel Big Sky team and we have lost to them twice. We play to the level of our competition, well just below actually, night in and night out. That is a coaching problem.GOKATS wrote:I'll leave the coach bashing to those so much more knowledgeable about the game than I. I do know enough that shooting percentages like last night won't win many games, especially on the road.
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TOTAL FG% 1st Half: 11-27 40.7% 2nd Half: 11-30 36.7% Game: 38.6% DEADB
3-Pt. FG% 1st Half: 4-13 30.8% 2nd Half: 2-10 20.0% Game: 26.1% REBS
F Throw % 1st Half: 6-10 60.0% 2nd Half: 13-17 76.5% Game: 70.4% 3
I watched the game and it was back and forth all the way. EWU made their shots late and the Cats didn't. Definitely calls for a new HC.
Was I pissed off about the loss? Hell yes!! Do I think the coach should be sent packing because the team was throwing up bricks? Nope. JMO
BelgradeBobcat wrote:I'm a Huse fan. If Fields would have hired anyone other than Huse-when Durham left-I would have been screaming.
I really thought we'd only have him for 5 years or so-because he'd be moving up to a bigger program.
But facts are facts. If Ash's first four seasons were of the same quality as Huse's this board would have been howling.
If a Weber or Montana coach had Huse's results they would be gone after this season-no question about it. Montana State won't do that. And I doubt any of our fans are putting for sale signs in his front yard. But for crying out loud-we should be able to expect a little better than this!
I'm not happy being .500 or less every year, if you'll note I said I was pissed about last nights loss. Please don't try to put words in my mouth.CelticCat wrote:And I'm glad GOKATS is happy with being a .500 or less team every year in a mediocre basketball conference, but some of us want more for/from our teams. The only way he would ever maybe start to think about questioning the competencies of a coach at MSU, in any sport, is if we went winless...
I'm also not going to blame the coach for piss poor performance by players who have proven they have the ability to play at this level. Unlike some others I won't personally call out a player on a message board, but I have been really disappointed in the Cats guard play of late, but at this point in the season what in the hell is the coach supposed to do? As another poster so appropriately stated, this time of year there is generally a feeding frenzy of posters just waiting for the program to falter. It's always the same posters, so no surprise there. I've also been around Bobcat athletics long enough to realize that how I feel doesn't mean anything as far as the future of coaches goes. I will go on record saying Brad Huse will be the head coach next year unless he leaves on his own behalf.
If the Cats were consistently getting their asses handed to them I'd be more concerned. The last three losses including two to league leading UNC and WSU were by an average of five points and the Cats were in every game. As I said earlier, look at the shooting percentages from the field and the foul line and that's where the losses are. Except for some poor shot selection desperation shots by the guards (one in particular) the Cats are getting good shots off, they're just not going in. I can't and won't blame the coach for that.bcats wrote:I don't think we sit around waiting for the program to falter but that is what happens every year. We shouldn't be happy with .500 seasons. If we are then we will soon start to see .300 seasons and so on. My complaint with recruiting comes down to recruiting big kids in state that aren't producing at the high school level. If they are projects in high school what will they become in the Big Sky? Swita was a joke and anyone should have been able to see that within 30 seconds of seeing him play. I just don't see what he is looking at and the kids we have are not reaching there potential. Rush should be a dominant player but he is not. We have decent talent in our starting five but there are not reaching potential. Sorry but to many factors point to the coach. I love his passion but not his results.
That isn't entirely true either. Last year we had lost 5 in a row, and 7 of our last 8 going into the tournament. Not all was forgiven with the tourney run, but it appeased some fans, yes. This regular season is headed in that same direction, having lost 5 of our last 7; will we have the same success in the tourney? Would we be happy to limp into the tournament every year, but win a couple tourney games?TrueCat wrote:Broken record...just remember that most of you who are complaining now were the same people ready to pat Huse on the back after beating Montana in January and when he almost won the conference tourney last year.
The sky is not falling Chicken Little.
94VegasCat wrote:Are you for real? That is just a plain ol dumb paragraph! You just nailed every note in the Full Reetard sing-a-long choir!!!
well, here's my thoughts on this, and my thoughts only. first, it has to do with the support both teams get. msu is a football school whether i like it or not. my passion is college hoops, so for me personally, i am way more interested and involved in everything basketball. but it is clear i am part of a very small minority. you only have to look as far as this board to see that. we are smack dab in the middle of hoops season, and still 95% of peoples attention is on football. and that's fine. please don't think i'm calling people out. it's just how it is. countless threads about recruits, coaches, schedules, etc., yet the basketball forum is dead. so while i don't agree with calling out coaches, especially only after a year or two, it makes perfect sense to me why there is so much criticism of the football program compared to the basketball program. when you have way more people who care, you're also going to have way more people who are going to complain.KittieKop wrote:I just find it interesting to sit here and imagine seeing any of these justifications for mediocrity being written in the football forum.
Some people were yelling for Ash's head at the end of last year. With all the talent he had. Somehow, it was the football coaches' fault for not coaching players up and players failing to execute, but with our basketball team "shots just won't drop" and Huse deserves another year to prove himself. What's the indication things are pointed in the right direction? I think most people see and understand the long term plan with the football team, but who can really define the direction the basketball team is headed in? Nothing seems to be changing. Start out strong, have the bottom drop out in February, finish 4th-6th place in conference, have a tournament game, lose the conference, repeat next year.
The football team's gone three years without a playoff game and some fans were screaming for the coach's head. Why the difference with the basketball team and coach?
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What are you saying? You don't like Ash, but like Huse? Don't like both? Or just being contrarian?GrizinWashington wrote:I would actually disagree with kittiekop's point of view. I think there are far too many people who consider Ash a great savior, even though his conference record is very comparable to Huse's. I think if asked most Cat fans who was doing a better job, more than 9 out of 10 would say Ash. But his conference records (5-3, 5-3, 4-4) are not markedly better than those of Huse. And you can argue direction all you want, but the sheer numbers don't point to much improvement from Ash either.
BelgradeBobcat wrote:What are you saying? You don't like Ash, but like Huse? Don't like both? Or just being contrarian?GrizinWashington wrote:I would actually disagree with kittiekop's point of view. I think there are far too many people who consider Ash a great savior, even though his conference record is very comparable to Huse's. I think if asked most Cat fans who was doing a better job, more than 9 out of 10 would say Ash. But his conference records (5-3, 5-3, 4-4) are not markedly better than those of Huse. And you can argue direction all you want, but the sheer numbers don't point to much improvement from Ash either.
Huse has yet to post a winning record in the Big Sky. This season will be his best at no worse than 8-8. Thus folks are frustrated.
Personally, I think both guys should stay around-but there is definite room from improvement.
Over their entire careers at MSU Ash has been slightly above average and Huse has been slightly below average (if .500 equates to average).GrizinWashington wrote:[I'm simply saying that, based purely on the numbers, both are producing average to slightly above-average results.