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Cat Grad
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by Cat Grad » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:14 pm
grizzh8r wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:17 pm
Cat Grad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:27 pm
DwaineF wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:21 pm
Come on CatGrad, do you honestly believe the Frontier Conference is as good as the Big Sky Conference? Occasionally a lower division school will pull an upset, however, I can't recall the last time the Cats lost to a lower division school. And until recently we were the middle of the pack Big Sky School.
The Big Sky was ranked 19 out of 32 conferences last year. I understand that there are some fabulous players in the lower divisions and many of them would start on Big Sky rosters. But that number isn't a large one.
Yes, I do think they'd do well in the tournament Lewistown used to have kids from all over the country go play in. Plus, I think most of the teams would kick the holy sh*t out of big sky teams. But, we'll never really know. When's the last time a big sky team won a game in the NCAA Tournament? I'll give you a clue. I was a young man. Idaho in the early 80s or Idaho State in the late 70s? Maybe a Weber team?
When you post - A) ridiculous or B) uninformed - drivel, don't whine when you get called out on it.
Exhibit A: Ridiculous
In a full D1 schedule season, the likelihood of NAIA schools having a winning record against Big Sky competition is very small. It's the exact same arguments that SEC apologists such as yourself make AGAINST G5 teams getting into the CFB Playoff, claiming that and undefeated record against G5 teams and maybe one or 2 P5 teams in the nonconference season shouldn't put them ahead of 1 or even 2 loss SEC teams. You can't have it one way in football, and not the same way in basketball.
https://bigskyconf.com/news/2020/3/5/me ... story.aspx
Exhibit B: Uninformed
Sadly, the last BSC team to nab a win in the NCAA Tournament was dUMb in 2006. Before that, it was Weber State in 1995 and 1999. So not only were you wrong, you weren't even close. By a couple decades!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber_S ... basketball
One and done for however long. Pathetic you reference UMs play-in game. Your argument is as asinine as comparing a class b district tournament in Montana to a class c tournament.
Step back and look at how fu*king many years ago the big sky first round games were. And again, on a neutral gym I'll take a Frontier Conference NAIA team against a mighty big sky conference team.
But!!!!! Somebody told me Wilsall won a district game once, so I'll be sure and give a sh*t what you think! Maybe next week?
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Cataholic
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by Cataholic » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:29 pm
There is little chance that an NAIA team wins more than 1 or 2 games a year against a full Big Sky schedule. Guys end up at a NAIA school because they weren’t D1 level. When guys leave the Big Sky, many end up in the NAIA for more playing time - because it is a step down in skill. Bellach couldn’t get any time at MSU but was standout in the Frontier. I expect Germer will get plenty of time at College of Idaho after struggling at the D1 level.
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tetoncat
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by tetoncat » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:31 pm
Cat Grad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:14 pm
grizzh8r wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:17 pm
Cat Grad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:27 pm
DwaineF wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:21 pm
Come on CatGrad, do you honestly believe the Frontier Conference is as good as the Big Sky Conference? Occasionally a lower division school will pull an upset, however, I can't recall the last time the Cats lost to a lower division school. And until recently we were the middle of the pack Big Sky School.
The Big Sky was ranked 19 out of 32 conferences last year. I understand that there are some fabulous players in the lower divisions and many of them would start on Big Sky rosters. But that number isn't a large one.
Yes, I do think they'd do well in the tournament Lewistown used to have kids from all over the country go play in. Plus, I think most of the teams would kick the holy sh*t out of big sky teams. But, we'll never really know. When's the last time a big sky team won a game in the NCAA Tournament? I'll give you a clue. I was a young man. Idaho in the early 80s or Idaho State in the late 70s? Maybe a Weber team?
When you post - A) ridiculous or B) uninformed - drivel, don't whine when you get called out on it.
Exhibit A: Ridiculous
In a full D1 schedule season, the likelihood of NAIA schools having a winning record against Big Sky competition is very small. It's the exact same arguments that SEC apologists such as yourself make AGAINST G5 teams getting into the CFB Playoff, claiming that and undefeated record against G5 teams and maybe one or 2 P5 teams in the nonconference season shouldn't put them ahead of 1 or even 2 loss SEC teams. You can't have it one way in football, and not the same way in basketball.
https://bigskyconf.com/news/2020/3/5/me ... story.aspx
Exhibit B: Uninformed
Sadly, the last BSC team to nab a win in the NCAA Tournament was dUMb in 2006. Before that, it was Weber State in 1995 and 1999. So not only were you wrong, you weren't even close. By a couple decades!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber_S ... basketball
One and done for however long. Pathetic you reference UMs play-in game. Your argument is as asinine as comparing a class b district tournament in Montana to a class c tournament.
Step back and look at how fu*king many years ago the big sky first round games were. And again, on a neutral gym I'll take a Frontier Conference NAIA team against a mighty big sky conference team.
But!!!!! Somebody told me Wilsall won a district game once, so I'll be sure and give a sh*t what you think! Maybe next week?
So you think MT Tech, whose best player left the Cats to get playing time would have beaten MSU last year on a neutral floor.

As others have said, in a one off, exhibition game where coaches are figuring out rotations they have a chance at an upset. No chance otherwise.
Sports is not bigger than life
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MSU01
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by MSU01 » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:37 pm
Cat Grad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:14 pm
grizzh8r wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:17 pm
Cat Grad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:27 pm
DwaineF wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:21 pm
Come on CatGrad, do you honestly believe the Frontier Conference is as good as the Big Sky Conference? Occasionally a lower division school will pull an upset, however, I can't recall the last time the Cats lost to a lower division school. And until recently we were the middle of the pack Big Sky School.
The Big Sky was ranked 19 out of 32 conferences last year. I understand that there are some fabulous players in the lower divisions and many of them would start on Big Sky rosters. But that number isn't a large one.
Yes, I do think they'd do well in the tournament Lewistown used to have kids from all over the country go play in. Plus, I think most of the teams would kick the holy sh*t out of big sky teams. But, we'll never really know. When's the last time a big sky team won a game in the NCAA Tournament? I'll give you a clue. I was a young man. Idaho in the early 80s or Idaho State in the late 70s? Maybe a Weber team?
When you post - A) ridiculous or B) uninformed - drivel, don't whine when you get called out on it.
Exhibit A: Ridiculous
In a full D1 schedule season, the likelihood of NAIA schools having a winning record against Big Sky competition is very small. It's the exact same arguments that SEC apologists such as yourself make AGAINST G5 teams getting into the CFB Playoff, claiming that and undefeated record against G5 teams and maybe one or 2 P5 teams in the nonconference season shouldn't put them ahead of 1 or even 2 loss SEC teams. You can't have it one way in football, and not the same way in basketball.
https://bigskyconf.com/news/2020/3/5/me ... story.aspx
Exhibit B: Uninformed
Sadly, the last BSC team to nab a win in the NCAA Tournament was dUMb in 2006. Before that, it was Weber State in 1995 and 1999. So not only were you wrong, you weren't even close. By a couple decades!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber_S ... basketball
One and done for however long. Pathetic you reference UMs play-in game. Your argument is as asinine as comparing a class b district tournament in Montana to a class c tournament.
Step back and look at how fu*king many years ago the big sky first round games were. And again, on a neutral gym I'll take a Frontier Conference NAIA team against a mighty big sky conference team.
But!!!!! Somebody told me Wilsall won a district game once, so I'll be sure and give a sh*t what you think! Maybe next week?
UM was in a play-in game in 2006? You want to double check that one?
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Cat Grad
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by Cat Grad » Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:03 pm
MSU01 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:37 pm
Cat Grad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:14 pm
grizzh8r wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:17 pm
Cat Grad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:27 pm
DwaineF wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:21 pm
Come on CatGrad, do you honestly believe the Frontier Conference is as good as the Big Sky Conference? Occasionally a lower division school will pull an upset, however, I can't recall the last time the Cats lost to a lower division school. And until recently we were the middle of the pack Big Sky School.
The Big Sky was ranked 19 out of 32 conferences last year. I understand that there are some fabulous players in the lower divisions and many of them would start on Big Sky rosters. But that number isn't a large one.
Yes, I do think they'd do well in the tournament Lewistown used to have kids from all over the country go play in. Plus, I think most of the teams would kick the holy sh*t out of big sky teams. But, we'll never really know. When's the last time a big sky team won a game in the NCAA Tournament? I'll give you a clue. I was a young man. Idaho in the early 80s or Idaho State in the late 70s? Maybe a Weber team?
When you post - A) ridiculous or B) uninformed - drivel, don't whine when you get called out on it.
Exhibit A: Ridiculous
In a full D1 schedule season, the likelihood of NAIA schools having a winning record against Big Sky competition is very small. It's the exact same arguments that SEC apologists such as yourself make AGAINST G5 teams getting into the CFB Playoff, claiming that and undefeated record against G5 teams and maybe one or 2 P5 teams in the nonconference season shouldn't put them ahead of 1 or even 2 loss SEC teams. You can't have it one way in football, and not the same way in basketball.
https://bigskyconf.com/news/2020/3/5/me ... story.aspx
Exhibit B: Uninformed
Sadly, the last BSC team to nab a win in the NCAA Tournament was dUMb in 2006. Before that, it was Weber State in 1995 and 1999. So not only were you wrong, you weren't even close. By a couple decades!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber_S ... basketball
One and done for however long. Pathetic you reference UMs play-in game. Your argument is as asinine as comparing a class b district tournament in Montana to a class c tournament.
Step back and look at how fu*king many years ago the big sky first round games were. And again, on a neutral gym I'll take a Frontier Conference NAIA team against a mighty big sky conference team.
But!!!!! Somebody told me Wilsall won a district game once, so I'll be sure and give a sh*t what you think! Maybe next week?
UM was in a play-in game in 2006? You want to double check that one?
12 seed winner. 2006. You're correct. How many years ago was that?
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grizzh8r
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by grizzh8r » Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:36 pm
Cat Grad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:14 pm
grizzh8r wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:17 pm
Cat Grad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:27 pm
DwaineF wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:21 pm
Come on CatGrad, do you honestly believe the Frontier Conference is as good as the Big Sky Conference? Occasionally a lower division school will pull an upset, however, I can't recall the last time the Cats lost to a lower division school. And until recently we were the middle of the pack Big Sky School.
The Big Sky was ranked 19 out of 32 conferences last year. I understand that there are some fabulous players in the lower divisions and many of them would start on Big Sky rosters. But that number isn't a large one.
Yes, I do think they'd do well in the tournament Lewistown used to have kids from all over the country go play in. Plus, I think most of the teams would kick the holy sh*t out of big sky teams. But, we'll never really know. When's the last time a big sky team won a game in the NCAA Tournament? I'll give you a clue. I was a young man. Idaho in the early 80s or Idaho State in the late 70s? Maybe a Weber team?
When you post - A) ridiculous or B) uninformed - drivel, don't whine when you get called out on it.
Exhibit A: Ridiculous
In a full D1 schedule season, the likelihood of NAIA schools having a winning record against Big Sky competition is very small. It's the exact same arguments that SEC apologists such as yourself make AGAINST G5 teams getting into the CFB Playoff, claiming that and undefeated record against G5 teams and maybe one or 2 P5 teams in the nonconference season shouldn't put them ahead of 1 or even 2 loss SEC teams. You can't have it one way in football, and not the same way in basketball.
https://bigskyconf.com/news/2020/3/5/me ... story.aspx
Exhibit B: Uninformed
Sadly, the last BSC team to nab a win in the NCAA Tournament was dUMb in 2006. Before that, it was Weber State in 1995 and 1999. So not only were you wrong, you weren't even close. By a couple decades!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber_S ... basketball
One and done for however long. Pathetic you reference UMs play-in game. Your argument is as asinine as comparing a class b district tournament in Montana to a class c tournament.
Step back and look at how fu*king many years ago the big sky first round games were. And again, on a neutral gym I'll take a Frontier Conference NAIA team against a mighty big sky conference team.
But!!!!! Somebody told me Wilsall won a district game once, so I'll be sure and give a sh*t what you think! Maybe next week?
Wow, so now you're going to move the target? One and done is STILL a win in the tourney, which you stated hadn't been done since the 80's, which was patently false. You're fighting a losing battle...
Regarding the
2006 Gris win over Nevada, unsurprisingly, you're mistaken yet again. Is anyone else sensing a trend here?
](./images/smilies/eusa_wall.gif)
The First Four "play-in" games weren't instituted until
2011:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Four
And 12 seed vs. 5 seed upsets happen on a regular basis. If you had been paying attention the last dozen years, you'd know that the play in games establish the last two 16 seeds, and the last two 11-14 seeds, depending on how the committee decides to rank the 4 teams battling for the last two 11-14 seeds. So even when you moved the target, you still crashed and burned.
For being such a self-proclaimed history buff, you failed this lesson miserably.
Eric Curry
STILL makes me sad.
94VegasCat wrote:Are you for real? That is just a plain ol dumb paragraph! You just nailed every note in the Full Reetard sing-a-long choir!!!

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allcat
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by allcat » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:53 pm
Cat Grad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:12 pm
grizzh8r wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:13 pm
DwaineF wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:21 pm
Come on CatGrad, do you honestly believe the Frontier Conference is as good as the Big Sky Conference? Occasionally a lower division school will pull an upset, however, I can't recall the last time the Cats lost to a lower division school. And until recently we were the middle of the pack Big Sky School.
The Big Sky was ranked 19 out of 32 conferences last year. I understand that there are some fabulous players in the lower divisions and many of them would start on Big Sky rosters. But that number isn't a large one.
Yep, CatGrouch is off his meds again. The guy does have some lucid moments/posts every once in a while, but most times his comments leave us scratching our heads...
Ringling has more name recognition than Wilsall and Clyde Park combined. How in the hell should I give a damn what you post? Anyone else for that matter. What the hell is the matter with you?
If you don't care what we post think or do, why do you respond? Me thinks thou dost protest too loudly.
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Bobcat4Ever
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by Bobcat4Ever » Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:17 am
grizzh8r wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:36 pm
Cat Grad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:14 pm
grizzh8r wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:17 pm
Cat Grad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:27 pm
DwaineF wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:21 pm
Come on CatGrad, do you honestly believe the Frontier Conference is as good as the Big Sky Conference? Occasionally a lower division school will pull an upset, however, I can't recall the last time the Cats lost to a lower division school. And until recently we were the middle of the pack Big Sky School.
The Big Sky was ranked 19 out of 32 conferences last year. I understand that there are some fabulous players in the lower divisions and many of them would start on Big Sky rosters. But that number isn't a large one.
Yes, I do think they'd do well in the tournament Lewistown used to have kids from all over the country go play in. Plus, I think most of the teams would kick the holy sh*t out of big sky teams. But, we'll never really know. When's the last time a big sky team won a game in the NCAA Tournament? I'll give you a clue. I was a young man. Idaho in the early 80s or Idaho State in the late 70s? Maybe a Weber team?
When you post - A) ridiculous or B) uninformed - drivel, don't whine when you get called out on it.
Exhibit A: Ridiculous
In a full D1 schedule season, the likelihood of NAIA schools having a winning record against Big Sky competition is very small. It's the exact same arguments that SEC apologists such as yourself make AGAINST G5 teams getting into the CFB Playoff, claiming that and undefeated record against G5 teams and maybe one or 2 P5 teams in the nonconference season shouldn't put them ahead of 1 or even 2 loss SEC teams. You can't have it one way in football, and not the same way in basketball.
https://bigskyconf.com/news/2020/3/5/me ... story.aspx
Exhibit B: Uninformed
Sadly, the last BSC team to nab a win in the NCAA Tournament was dUMb in 2006. Before that, it was Weber State in 1995 and 1999. So not only were you wrong, you weren't even close. By a couple decades!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber_S ... basketball
One and done for however long. Pathetic you reference UMs play-in game. Your argument is as asinine as comparing a class b district tournament in Montana to a class c tournament.
Step back and look at how fu*king many years ago the big sky first round games were. And again, on a neutral gym I'll take a Frontier Conference NAIA team against a mighty big sky conference team.
But!!!!! Somebody told me Wilsall won a district game once, so I'll be sure and give a sh*t what you think! Maybe next week?
Wow, so now you're going to move the target? One and done is STILL a win in the tourney, which you stated hadn't been done since the 80's, which was patently false. You're fighting a losing battle...
Regarding the
2006 Gris win over Nevada, unsurprisingly, you're mistaken yet again. Is anyone else sensing a trend here?
](./images/smilies/eusa_wall.gif)
The First Four "play-in" games weren't instituted until
2011:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Four
And 12 seed vs. 5 seed upsets happen on a regular basis. If you had been paying attention the last dozen years, you'd know that the play in games establish the last two 16 seeds, and the last two 11-14 seeds, depending on how the committee decides to rank the 4 teams battling for the last two 11-14 seeds. So even when you moved the target, you still crashed and burned.
For being such a self-proclaimed history buff, you failed this lesson miserably.
The deck is unarguably stacked against the Big Sky and other similarly rated conferences. Playing from a 13-16 seed will leave most conferences one and done. Somebody messed up and put the gris in at 12 against a questionable 5 (Nevada) and they took advantage. MSU finally was starting to build a little reputation under Sprinkle and got a fairer seed (although still a tough one) this year. Teams from mid mid-major conferences either pull a huge upset once in awhile, or a team has breakout performances above the level of the league. Sprinkle was getting close. I don’t think the Big Sky is any worse than the Summit or similar leagues except they have maybe had more parity and less development of one superior team.
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84CatGrad
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by 84CatGrad » Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:36 am
I was at the 2006 Nevada-Friz NCAA game. Nevada was too cool to play hard. I doubt they had to shower after the game.
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by RickRund » Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:01 pm
84CatGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:36 am
I was at the 2006 Nevada-Friz NCAA game. Nevada was too cool to play hard. I doubt they had to shower after the game.
So do you mean they thought they just had to show up?
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