Chronicle Article - BSC to move up?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:37 am

Okay, so it doesn't go that far, but it discusses the possibility:

Welsch Column

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:06 pm

I think it would be really cool if we moved up some day, after 1A moves to a playoff system. Until then... I have zero interest in it. And no, I don't care if we would have a chance at playing in the whatever bowl...

One more thought... I've had 1A-backing friends bring up Boise State as the example, "But look what they did this year!", and that actually makes MY point. Look what they did... they went undefeated, kicked butt in a big bowl game, and they still never even had a chance to even sniff a national title.

coachouert · Post by **coachouert** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:13 pm

catatac wrote:I think it would be really cool if we moved up some day, after 1A moves to a playoff system. Until then... I have zero interest in it. And no, I don't care if we would have a chance at playing in the whatever bowl...

One more thought... I've had 1A-backing friends bring up Boise State as the example, "But look what they did this year!", and that actually makes MY point. Look what they did... they went undefeated, kicked butt in a big bowl game, and they still never even had a chance to even sniff a national title.

You wouldn't want to move up even for a chance to play in the papajohns.com bowl? C'mon, that is every program's dream!

Post by **rtb** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:32 pm

coachouert wrote:You wouldn't want to move up even for a chance to play in the papajohns.com bowl? C'mon, that is every program's dream!

Didn't the Raiders play in that this year? Oh sorry, I forgot they are a pro team that looks like a bad college team.

raincat · Post by **raincat** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:15 pm

While it's abundently clear Idaho made a huge mistake ("Ready-Fire-Aim!") going up way before they were ready, Welch is wrong about Nevada. They are making their way. They certainly impressed the Seattle area when their basketball team came in and beat up on a pretty good Husky team.

BR GRIZ · Post by **BR GRIZ** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:40 pm

coachouert wrote:
catatac wrote:I think it would be really cool if we moved up some day, after 1A moves to a playoff system. Until then... I have zero interest in it. And no, I don't care if we would have a chance at playing in the whatever bowl...

One more thought... I've had 1A-backing friends bring up Boise State as the example, "But look what they did this year!", and that actually makes MY point. Look what they did... they went undefeated, kicked butt in a big bowl game, and they still never even had a chance to even sniff a national title.
You wouldn't want to move up even for a chance to play in the papajohns.com bowl? C'mon, that is every program's dream!

But look at the money Boise made.

There was an article in the Missoulian early in the 06 playoffs discussing the money Montana would make if they hosted the first 3 rounds of the playoffs, and the cost of travelling to Chattanooga if they made the championship game. According to the article, with the cost of the guaranteed payments to the NCAA, Montana hoped clear approximately $100,000 for hosting 3 games, and the cost of travelling to the championship game would be about $100,000, with the ultimate outcome being that they would being doing good if they broke even.

I like the playoff system. Nonetheless, I think the success Boise had this year, which translates into money to them, is going to pay big dividends for their program in the future.

coachouert · Post by **coachouert** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:54 pm

rtb wrote:
coachouert wrote:You wouldn't want to move up even for a chance to play in the papajohns.com bowl? C'mon, that is every program's dream!
Didn't the Raiders play in that this year? Oh sorry, I forgot they are a pro team that looks like a bad college team.

Ouch Randy, ouch.

I can see what you're saying about the guarenteed payout being something that is worthwhile especially when it comes to possibly breaking even for going to a national championship BR GRIZ and obviously, BSU has done really well along with Nevada so it can happen. Does anyone know what some of the lower bowl games such as my favorite The papajohns.com Bowl pay out to the winners or losers?

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:59 pm

coachouert wrote:
rtb wrote:
coachouert wrote:You wouldn't want to move up even for a chance to play in the papajohns.com bowl? C'mon, that is every program's dream!
Didn't the Raiders play in that this year? Oh sorry, I forgot they are a pro team that looks like a bad college team.
Ouch Randy, ouch.

I can see what you're saying about the guarenteed payout being something that is worthwhile especially when it comes to possibly breaking even for going to a national championship BR GRIZ and obviously, BSU has done really well along with Nevada so it can happen. Does anyone know what some of the lower bowl games such as my favorite The papajohns.com Bowl pay out to the winners or losers?

http://www.wdsu.com/sports/5589887/deta ... psp=sports

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:02 pm

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... outs_x.htm

This year was considerably better.

Egg Salad · Post by **Egg Salad** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:02 pm

Cat Grad wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... outs_x.htm

This year was considerably better.

Kinda sucks for Boise State.

GFCatFan · Post by **GFCatFan** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:45 am

NEVER....why.....$$$....we're only a couple years removed from more empty seats than full and it can change (back) that quickly.....it takes cash to make cash and we are a small fish. Personally I think the griz have the ego to make that jump and they'll get pummeled physically and financially. They too forget from whence they came. Enjoy where we are, pony up some dough, and focus on beating UM consistently.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:59 am

I don't get excited watching team play in the Tyson Chicken Pot Pie Bowl ... Sorry. I do not want to play in a division where there would be no way for our team to ever win the title in that division. This is what would happen if we moved up (See Boise State this year .. quality team .. perfect season and NO national championship).

Post by **SonomaCat** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:06 pm

I am definitely in the choir of people who think the the BCS should adopt a playoff system.

But ... to play devil's advocate ... is it really fair to say that what we currently have at the FCS level is a true "national championship?" We have a playoff with other teams ... but we aren't playing against the best teams in the country. So what we essentially have is a system that determines who is the best team among those schools that choose not to compete against the best teams in the country.

I guess that's the rub. We love the playoff system (as most every fan in the country does), but in order to have it, you have to compete at an inferior level, so the playoff you have has very little credibility or attention (and the ability to actually make money doing it) in terms of the wider football audience.

I wonder how it would affect the whole system if the BCS was scrapped and a true playoff system was put in its place? Would that encourage more schools to move up (as it would be a true meritocracy, as opposed to the stacked deck system that currently exists)? The money would be even greater (I assume -- given the excitement of a playoff system), and teams would have much more control over their own destiny (and not just reliance on polls to determine the best teams).

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:51 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
I wonder how it would affect the whole system if the BCS was scrapped and a true playoff system was put in its place? Would that encourage more schools to move up (as it would be a true meritocracy, as opposed to the stacked deck system that currently exists)? The money would be even greater (I assume -- given the excitement of a playoff system), and teams would have much more control over their own destiny (and not just reliance on polls to determine the best teams).

As far as the moving up, there aren't a whole lot of schools that can move up and haven't. Montana, McNeese, and Delaware come to mind as school that continue to compete at the I-AA level and would be able to do fine at the I-A level. However, the problem is that there aren't good conference fits for most of the schools. A MAC or Sun Belt invitation isn't much of an upgrade from the Colonial Athletic Conference or even the Southland.

I'm one of the few people who likes the bowls, although the BCS has a few glaring flaws which it steadfastly refuses to fix. A real quick solution is to simply put in the following rule A team must win it's conference to be eligible to participate in the national championship game. It's a great rule, and makes perfect sense. Yet, it isn't in there. Thus, the country gets crappy national championship games like Miami versus Nebraska in 2001 and Oklahoma versus LSU in 2003.

But, when a monkey can pick out the teams, the BCS works real well. When Ohio State played Miami in 2002, it was a great game. When SC played Texas in 2005, it was a great game.

Likewise, I like that every game is a playoff. No one would have cared about SC losing to UCLA under a playoff system. Ohio State versus Michigan would have had zero meaning this year. With a playoff, college football would be like the NFL, where no single regular season game matters.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:02 pm

Every regular season game would still matter ... they just wouldn't eliminate an otherwise contending team from national championship consideration.

But I see you points ... there are upsides to the current system. I would just prefer that the bowls remain in place for all of the teams that can't make the playoffs, and then have a 4 to 8 team playoff for the real championship.

I simply don't think it is possible for anyone to determine who the top two teams are in the country by subjective means when the schedules of each team are so wildly different. Outside of ranking teams within a conference (where you do have a better idea because they play very similar schedules), the polls are often nothing more than wild guesses.

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:04 pm

If a likely maximum of 5 home games over a 12 game schedule is ideal, then by all means, MSU needs to move up ASAP. I could even foresee seasons with 4 home conference games, 4-5 away conference games (depending on the size of whatever garbage conference MSU landed in or help create), and every OOC game being on the road just to pick up the payout $$$.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:15 pm

Let's see...$3.5MM or hopefully break even and win the a NC in the division-formerly-known-as-I-AA.

I pick $3.5MM.

Another thing I think people should keep in perspective. Outside of the fans of the teams in the playoffs, no one else cares about the playoffs. Now, don't flame me if you are one of about 100 people who do care. The fact is, most people don't care unless they have a dog in the fight. That's no different than the bowl games.

And, honestly speaking, I went to the Rose Bowl once, and I was just as fired up as I was in 1984.

Plus - how great is it that you can be second best in your conference (and sometimes 3rd or 4th best) and still make huge money.

083190 · Post by **083190** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:19 pm

Why is there discussion about the conference moving up? Isn' t enough to know that Fullerton thinking about the idea, is cause enough to run the other way! Sorry, I said the "F" word!"

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:34 pm

Bleedinbluengold wrote:Let's see...$3.5MM or hopefully break even and win the a NC in the division-formerly-known-as-I-AA.

I pick $3.5MM.

Another thing I think people should keep in perspective. Outside of the fans of the teams in the playoffs, no one else cares about the playoffs. Now, don't flame me if you are one of about 100 people who do care. The fact is, most people don't care unless they have a dog in the fight. That's no different than the bowl games.

And, honestly speaking, I went to the Rose Bowl once, and I was just as fired up as I was in 1984.

Plus - how great is it that you can be second best in your conference (and sometimes 3rd or 4th best) and still make huge money.

That's your opinion. More $$ would be nice, but everyone acts like that is the ultimate goal of college football... to see who can make the most $$ at their bowl game? I don't agree at all, in fact that is what's wrong with the system today. BAC or someone had a good point in that we don't compete for a TRUE national championship because we won't play the big 1A powers, but we do play for the national title of 65 schollie teams... I'll take our little paltry money making schedule as long as it comes with a playoff system and a chance to be crowned the best... anyday.

1BadBobcat · Post by **1BadBobcat** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:06 pm

I for one would prefer the opportunity to play for a 1-AA national championship over a D1-A bowl game. Because let's face it, the biggest big time the Cats or anyone else from the Big Sky would ever see is the Joe Blow Doobie Bowl and I can guarantee you that wouldn't be a 3.5 million payout.