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[Go Scats Go]

YES THE BSC Refs are bad.

But why is it that the cat fans complain every week???
The BSC is a I-AA conference and therefor gets the bottom of the can officials. If they are any good, would they still be here?

[SonomaCat]

YES THE BSC Refs are bad.

But why is it that the cat fans complain every week???
The BSC is a I-AA conference and therefor gets the bottom of the can officials. If they are any good, would they still be here?

So are you suggesting that the BSC fans (as all fans within the BSC complain about the refs on a regular basis) should simply expect mediocrity from their refs, and when mistakes are made, should not even care?

And in that scenario, would that make the refs better, or worse? Will the job performance of the refs get better if we all choose to just applaud their good calls and bite our tongues on the bad calls? That's quite a touchy-feely approach, if you sincerely believe it to be true.

[Go Scats Go]

YES THE BSC Refs are bad.

But why is it that the cat fans complain every week???
The BSC is a I-AA conference and therefor gets the bottom of the can officials. If they are any good, would they still be here?

So are you suggesting that the BSC fans (as all fans within the BSC complain about the refs on a regular basis) should simply expect mediocrity from their refs, and when mistakes are made, should not even care?

And in that scenario, would that make the refs better, or worse? Will the job performance of the refs get better if we all choose to just applaud their good calls and bite our tongues on the bad calls? That's quite a touchy-feely approach, if you sincerely believe it to be true.

What I am saying is they SUCK and have for 30 years!!! Complaining about it every week is really silly. It wont change until the BSC becomes 1A and that aint happening anytime soon.

When you are a lower level conference you are a training ground. The BSC will always be that.

And as I stated earlier, IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE!!!!!

And complaining each week really makes bobcat fans look and sound childish.

[SonomaCat]

YES THE BSC Refs are bad.

But why is it that the cat fans complain every week???
The BSC is a I-AA conference and therefor gets the bottom of the can officials. If they are any good, would they still be here?

So are you suggesting that the BSC fans (as all fans within the BSC complain about the refs on a regular basis) should simply expect mediocrity from their refs, and when mistakes are made, should not even care?

And in that scenario, would that make the refs better, or worse? Will the job performance of the refs get better if we all choose to just applaud their good calls and bite our tongues on the bad calls? That's quite a touchy-feely approach, if you sincerely believe it to be true.

What I am saying is they SUCK and have for 30 years!!! Complaining about it every week is really silly. It wont change until the BSC becomes 1A and that aint happening anytime soon.

When you are a lower level conference you are a training ground. The BSC will always be that.

And as I stated earlier, IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE!!!!!

And complaining each week really makes bobcat fans look and sound childish.

Does it then also make any and all Griz fans that complain about the refs look and sound childish?

You see ... when you make derogatory generalizations about the Bobcat fan base that make no sense or ignores the fact that the same qualities apply to virtually every fanbase (including your own), you have moved far away from anything that can be considered insightful and you are simply throwing out smack.

And that is why I moved your original post, and why this thread is probably soon to follow.

[Egg Salad]

YES THE BSC Refs are bad.

But why is it that the cat fans complain every week???
The BSC is a I-AA conference and therefor gets the bottom of the can officials. If they are any good, would they still be here?

So are you suggesting that the BSC fans (as all fans within the BSC complain about the refs on a regular basis) should simply expect mediocrity from their refs, and when mistakes are made, should not even care?

And in that scenario, would that make the refs better, or worse? Will the job performance of the refs get better if we all choose to just applaud their good calls and bite our tongues on the bad calls? That's quite a touchy-feely approach, if you sincerely believe it to be true.

What I am saying is they SUCK and have for 30 years!!! Complaining about it every week is really silly. It wont change until the BSC becomes 1A and that aint happening anytime soon.

When you are a lower level conference you are a training ground. The BSC will always be that.

And as I stated earlier, IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE!!!!!

And complaining each week really makes bobcat fans look and sound childish.

Does it then also make any and all Griz fans that complain about the refs look and sound childish?

You see ... when you make derogatory generalizations about the Bobcat fan base that make no sense or ignores the fact that the same qualities apply to virtually every fanbase (including your own), you have moved far away from anything that can be considered insightful and you are simply throwing out smack.

And that is why I moved your original post, and why this thread is probably soon to follow.

The over/under is 9.5 posts before it gets moved...place your bets now!

[Platinumcat]

Scats,
I've read your posts and seen where you say you coach down in Texas. So, I know you receive your fair share of calls you don't go your way. I would expect that the officials down there didn't come to ref the high schools games straight out of a clinic; they worked their way to that position. The same can be said for the officials in the BSC. They have proven themselves to be capable and deserving.

I don't see our fans chewing out the officials for every call. But, when it's so blatantly obvious that a call was missed or called incorrectly right in front of the official, that's when I start to get riled up.

Please keep in mind that we are all fans on this board; regardless of the team(s) we choose to support. As fans, this is what we do. Whether it be by the water cooler, at a bar, on the phone, or on this website, we hash over all of what transpired from the previous game, ponder the possibilities of the next game, etc. etc. etc.

In just looking at e-griz while typing this, I find two threads that are dealing with constantly complained about topics over there:
1) Use qualified officials during the playoffs - Is this not a type of official berating due to the fact that the whole premise of the post suggests that there are normally none? Using your logic, everyone must know they suck, so why even post this?
2) Enough is Enough - this thread actually appears to be an attempt to get people to stop b**chin' about the play calling. But, it's obvious it was felt to be needed by what constantly takes place over there. What? Fans actually obsessing over something that effects their team?

In addition to these threads mentioned above, there are always threads that have plenty of replies dealing with:
1) The Griz factor
a) It's every team's super bowl to play the Griz. Give me a break!
b) Every team is lucky to play the Griz' previous week opponent because they beat them up sooo bad and they're sooo demoralized after that loss.

I guess to sum it up, I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement. I tend to side with BAC's arguement in that you couldn't have been trying to start a civil conversation on this matter; even though I've tried as best I could to present one.

p.s. I hope your season down there has gone well; it would be something else to be coaching at any level in that state.

[badasscat]

Speaking of bad refs does anyone remember the ref that was like 6'6" and 400lbs from the late 90's? He could hardly move and since he was the R he stood right behind the LBs. Offenses actually used him as an extra blocker or as a pick guy, he also made a lot of questionable calls and noncalls. Now that was a bad ref, the entire conf. should be glad that he is not around anymore.

[gtapp]

Scats has a good point. My only reply is that it could be improved by a measureable amount with a couple of changes that is not dependant on ability.

1. On questionable calls get all of the officials together and make a group decision. It seldom happens at this level and may have made a difference in last weekends "bad" end zone call in Bozeman. The refs try too hard to not step on each others toes. If one sees it differently or has a better view say something.

2. The "Head of Officials" makes his own rules. He tells the officials to call pass interference even if the ball is thrown into the stands and not make any judgement calls. Give them some lattitude to make common sense calls and don't tie the officials hands with black and white rules.

3. Make it a requirement to be in at least decent shape so they are not so winded by the third quarter.

[CatFamily]

Couldn't have been the R... had to have been the U... umpire... R stands deep behind the QB.... U 5-7 yards behind the LB, but I would think he would have had some homemade protection when be ran into....

[badasscat]

Couldn't have been the R... had to have been the U... umpire... R stands deep behind the QB.... U 5-7 yards behind the LB, but I would think he would have had some homemade protection when be ran into....

My bad you're right he was the U.

[Belgrade Big Dog]

I thought it was F, or field judge. Looked like a little red headed hobbit.

[Go Scats Go]

Scats,
I've read your posts and seen where you say you coach down in Texas. So, I know you receive your fair share of calls you don't go your way. I would expect that the officials down there didn't come to ref the high schools games straight out of a clinic; they worked their way to that position. The same can be said for the officials in the BSC. They have proven themselves to be capable and deserving.

When we go on the road we need to take an extra 14 points with us. Last week the while ahead 30-7 on the road the Penalty total was Us-9 Them-0 in THE FORTH QUARTER!!!!

Above is the closest thing you will hear me complaining about the calls. My point is we overcame that and still won.

I feel like the constant complaning is useless, it will not improve the officiating. What you get is what you get. And the BSC refs have been terrible for 30 years.

As an aside, cat posters want to bring in egriz and the complaining about issues there.
#1- Its not about officating
#2- I wish they too would grow a pair and act like men, but I guess thats alot to ask.

[HelenaCat95]

I thought it was F, or field judge. Looked like a little red headed hobbit.

Ok...was it the F, or was it the U? Or was it the FU?



just kidding guys.

[BHauck's nose]

YES THE BSC Refs are bad.

But why is it that the cat fans complain every week???
The BSC is a I-AA conference and therefor gets the bottom of the can officials. If they are any good, would they still be here?

So are you suggesting that the BSC fans (as all fans within the BSC complain about the refs on a regular basis) should simply expect mediocrity from their refs, and when mistakes are made, should not even care?

And in that scenario, would that make the refs better, or worse? Will the job performance of the refs get better if we all choose to just applaud their good calls and bite our tongues on the bad calls? That's quite a touchy-feely approach, if you sincerely believe it to be true.

What I am saying is they SUCK and have for 30 years!!! Complaining about it every week is really silly. It wont change until the BSC becomes 1A and that aint happening anytime soon.

When you are a lower level conference you are a training ground. The BSC will always be that.

And as I stated earlier, IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE!!!!!

And complaining each week really makes bobcat fans look and sound childish.

So are you saying that there are no good 1-aa refs out there? In my opinion, the refs like to be part of the game to much. It seems like they love to make the big call. A good ref is one that you do not notice, but it seems our refs have it the other way around. I think 90% of the time, they are good, but it seems like there is always one in every group that will continually make bad calls throughout the game. I definitely don't think we are picked on or that they are cheating us, but it seems like there were a lot of game changing calls and no calls this season, especially the last the last two weeks.

#1 Weber State - No call on the offensive pass interference on 4 and 15 right before the half.

#2 Northern Col. - Jefferson's catch in the end zone

[Go Scats Go]

YES THE BSC Refs are bad.

But why is it that the cat fans complain every week???
The BSC is a I-AA conference and therefor gets the bottom of the can officials. If they are any good, would they still be here?

So are you suggesting that the BSC fans (as all fans within the BSC complain about the refs on a regular basis) should simply expect mediocrity from their refs, and when mistakes are made, should not even care?

And in that scenario, would that make the refs better, or worse? Will the job performance of the refs get better if we all choose to just applaud their good calls and bite our tongues on the bad calls? That's quite a touchy-feely approach, if you sincerely believe it to be true.

What I am saying is they SUCK and have for 30 years!!! Complaining about it every week is really silly. It wont change until the BSC becomes 1A and that aint happening anytime soon.

When you are a lower level conference you are a training ground. The BSC will always be that.

And as I stated earlier, IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE!!!!!

And complaining each week really makes bobcat fans look and sound childish.

So are you saying that there are no good 1-aa refs out there? In my opinion, the refs like to be part of the game to much. It seems like they love to make the big call. A good ref is one that you do not notice, but it seems our refs have it the other way around. I think 90% of the time, they are good, but it seems like there is always one in every group that will continually make bad calls throughout the game. I definitely don't think we are picked on or that they are cheating us, but it seems like there were a lot of game changing calls and no calls this season, especially the last the last two weeks.

#1 Weber State - No call on the offensive pass interference on 4 and 15 right before the half.

#2 Northern Col. - Jefferson's catch in the end zone

NOt saying there are not good ones- Just not very many. And you are right they should only be seen when its fairly obvoius. No one wants to see flag thrown on every play.

I understand what the cat fans are saying, because the Griz lived through it for many years against Boise, Idaho and Reno. Once you get to a certain point the calls start to go your way because EVEN the refs think you are better then you might be.

Yes I believe the Griz get the benifit of calls.

[Robcat]

I had a conversation with a college Ref last night and here is his position on calls.

1. If you have any question in your mind-no flag.

2. Holding can be called on every play, call enough to keep both teams somewhat honest.

3. Last 5 minutes of the game is very stressfull for Refs, this is when the majority of bad calls are made.