Really, Coach?

[1BadBobcat]

Aaron Mason is not as good as Evin Groves and he understands that? Let's step back and look at the raw numbers. Groves has played in 8 games going back to the Stephen F. Austin game in 2005. Including the game this year against CU, he has played in 8 games, and carried it 117 times for a total of 493 yards. An average of 4.21 yards/carry. He also has 6 TDs to go along with that.

Mason has played in 5 games this year as a true freshman. He has 68 carries for 380 yards. That's an average of 5.59 yards/carry. He has 4 rushing TDs.

In the receiving department, Groves has 13 receptions for 74 yards and no TDS (5.69 yds./rec.). Mason has 6 catches for 53 yards and 1 receiving TD (8.83 yds./rec.).

So, is Groves all that much better than Mason? I beg to differ. He has played in only 3 more games than Mason, so it's really not an experience thing. He has less yards/carry and less yards/reception and only one more TD than Mason, so it's not a talent thing. Mason is probably not as a good a pass blocker right now, but he's a true freshman, so that will come along.

I like Mike Kramer. I like what Kramer has done for our program. I like about 99% of the stuff that comes out of Kramer's mouth because he doesn't pull any punches and alot of it is funny. But I am so tired of his putting down players in the media, especially in this case when there is really no proof that it is true.

Would it suck for Groves to lose his starting spot because of an injury? Yes. Would it suck for Mason to lose his starting spot just because of the fact the other guy is coming off IR? Yes. But IMHO, Mason just got us through two rough games and was the sole reason why we beat PSU. Our offense seems to be gelling right now, and if you bring someone else in, it could throw off the whole tempo. And we are not real sure if Groves is 100% yet. There needs to be a way to utilize them both, but please Coach, don't tell me Groves is way much better right now because I would prefer not to have any smoke blown up my arse.

[STREETCAT]

Aaron Mason is not as good as Evin Groves and he understands that? Let's step back and look at the raw numbers. Groves has played in 8 games going back to the Stephen F. Austin game in 2005. Including the game this year against CU, he has played in 8 games, and carried it 117 times for a total of 493 yards. An average of 4.21 yards/carry. He also has 6 TDs to go along with that.

Mason has played in 5 games this year as a true freshman. He has 68 carries for 380 yards. That's an average of 5.59 yards/carry. He has 4 rushing TDs.

In the receiving department, Groves has 13 receptions for 74 yards and no TDS (5.69 yds./rec.). Mason has 6 catches for 53 yards and 1 receiving TD (8.83 yds./rec.).

So, is Groves all that much better than Mason? I beg to differ. He has played in only 3 more games than Mason, so it's really not an experience thing. He has less yards/carry and less yards/reception and only one more TD than Mason, so it's not a talent thing. Mason is probably not as a good a pass blocker right now, but he's a true freshman, so that will come along.

I like Mike Kramer. I like what Kramer has done for our program. I like about 99% of the stuff that comes out of Kramer's mouth because he doesn't pull any punches and alot of it is funny. But I am so tired of his putting down players in the media, especially in this case when there is really no proof that it is true.

Would it suck for Groves to lose his starting spot because of an injury? Yes. Would it suck for Mason to lose his starting spot just because of the fact the other guy is coming off IR? Yes. But IMHO, Mason just got us through two rough games and was the sole reason why we beat PSU. Our offense seems to be gelling right now, and if you bring someone else in, it could throw off the whole tempo. And we are not real sure if Groves is 100% yet. There needs to be a way to utilize them both, but please Coach, don't tell me Groves is way much better right now because I would prefer not to have any smoke blown up my arse.

I would imagine that we are going to see plenty of them both this weekend. Lets not get too excited. They will probably have equal carries this weekend,

[#34]

Aaron Mason is not as good as Evin Groves and he understands that? Let's step back and look at the raw numbers. Groves has played in 8 games going back to the Stephen F. Austin game in 2005. Including the game this year against CU, he has played in 8 games, and carried it 117 times for a total of 493 yards. An average of 4.21 yards/carry. He also has 6 TDs to go along with that.

Mason has played in 5 games this year as a true freshman. He has 68 carries for 380 yards. That's an average of 5.59 yards/carry. He has 4 rushing TDs.

In the receiving department, Groves has 13 receptions for 74 yards and no TDS (5.69 yds./rec.). Mason has 6 catches for 53 yards and 1 receiving TD (8.83 yds./rec.).

So, is Groves all that much better than Mason? I beg to differ. He has played in only 3 more games than Mason, so it's really not an experience thing. He has less yards/carry and less yards/reception and only one more TD than Mason, so it's not a talent thing. Mason is probably not as a good a pass blocker right now, but he's a true freshman, so that will come along.

I like Mike Kramer. I like what Kramer has done for our program. I like about 99% of the stuff that comes out of Kramer's mouth because he doesn't pull any punches and alot of it is funny. But I am so tired of his putting down players in the media, especially in this case when there is really no proof that it is true.

Would it suck for Groves to lose his starting spot because of an injury? Yes. Would it suck for Mason to lose his starting spot just because of the fact the other guy is coming off IR? Yes. But IMHO, Mason just got us through two rough games and was the sole reason why we beat PSU. Our offense seems to be gelling right now, and if you bring someone else in, it could throw off the whole tempo. And we are not real sure if Groves is 100% yet. There needs to be a way to utilize them both, but please Coach, don't tell me Groves is way much better right now because I would prefer not to have any smoke blown up my arse.

I would imagine that we are going to see plenty of them both this weekend. Lets not get too excited. They will probably have equal carries this weekend,

I think its time for a little wing-T offense!

[Platinumcat]

Aaron Mason is not as good as Evin Groves and he understands that? Let's step back and look at the raw numbers. Groves has played in 8 games going back to the Stephen F. Austin game in 2005. Including the game this year against CU, he has played in 8 games, and carried it 117 times for a total of 493 yards. An average of 4.21 yards/carry. He also has 6 TDs to go along with that.

Mason has played in 5 games this year as a true freshman. He has 68 carries for 380 yards. That's an average of 5.59 yards/carry. He has 4 rushing TDs.

In the receiving department, Groves has 13 receptions for 74 yards and no TDS (5.69 yds./rec.). Mason has 6 catches for 53 yards and 1 receiving TD (8.83 yds./rec.).

So, is Groves all that much better than Mason? I beg to differ. He has played in only 3 more games than Mason, so it's really not an experience thing. He has less yards/carry and less yards/reception and only one more TD than Mason, so it's not a talent thing. Mason is probably not as a good a pass blocker right now, but he's a true freshman, so that will come along.

I like Mike Kramer. I like what Kramer has done for our program. I like about 99% of the stuff that comes out of Kramer's mouth because he doesn't pull any punches and alot of it is funny. But I am so tired of his putting down players in the media, especially in this case when there is really no proof that it is true.

Would it suck for Groves to lose his starting spot because of an injury? Yes. Would it suck for Mason to lose his starting spot just because of the fact the other guy is coming off IR? Yes. But IMHO, Mason just got us through two rough games and was the sole reason why we beat PSU. Our offense seems to be gelling right now, and if you bring someone else in, it could throw off the whole tempo. And we are not real sure if Groves is 100% yet. There needs to be a way to utilize them both, but please Coach, don't tell me Groves is way much better right now because I would prefer not to have any smoke blown up my arse.

He didn't say that Groves is "way much" better. You said that. I think it ultimately come down to the fact that Groves knows the system better (particularly from a blocking standpoint) because he's been in the system longer, is just as good a runner (IMO), and was the starter before he was injured. You never, never replace a starter because of injury. Because of a lack of production, yes. I also agree with Streetcat in that we'll probably see both of them run the ball this weekend. But, Groves will get the start if he's healthy.

[torrybruce]

Aaron Mason is not as good as Evin Groves and he understands that? Let's step back and look at the raw numbers. Groves has played in 8 games going back to the Stephen F. Austin game in 2005. Including the game this year against CU, he has played in 8 games, and carried it 117 times for a total of 493 yards. An average of 4.21 yards/carry. He also has 6 TDs to go along with that.

Mason has played in 5 games this year as a true freshman. He has 68 carries for 380 yards. That's an average of 5.59 yards/carry. He has 4 rushing TDs.

In the receiving department, Groves has 13 receptions for 74 yards and no TDS (5.69 yds./rec.). Mason has 6 catches for 53 yards and 1 receiving TD (8.83 yds./rec.).

So, is Groves all that much better than Mason? I beg to differ. He has played in only 3 more games than Mason, so it's really not an experience thing. He has less yards/carry and less yards/reception and only one more TD than Mason, so it's not a talent thing. Mason is probably not as a good a pass blocker right now, but he's a true freshman, so that will come along.

I like Mike Kramer. I like what Kramer has done for our program. I like about 99% of the stuff that comes out of Kramer's mouth because he doesn't pull any punches and alot of it is funny. But I am so tired of his putting down players in the media, especially in this case when there is really no proof that it is true.

Would it suck for Groves to lose his starting spot because of an injury? Yes. Would it suck for Mason to lose his starting spot just because of the fact the other guy is coming off IR? Yes. But IMHO, Mason just got us through two rough games and was the sole reason why we beat PSU. Our offense seems to be gelling right now, and if you bring someone else in, it could throw off the whole tempo. And we are not real sure if Groves is 100% yet. There needs to be a way to utilize them both, but please Coach, don't tell me Groves is way much better right now because I would prefer not to have any smoke blown up my arse.

I would imagine that we are going to see plenty of them both this weekend. Lets not get too excited. They will probably have equal carries this weekend,

Honestly how lucky are we to have two backs like Groves and Mason in our back pocket...I'll agree with the wing T offense...we just need someone a little more mobile at QB (and O-line) and then we can run the option sweep....HOLLA!!!

[STREETCAT]

I would not doubt seeing us in a Pro set this week with both backs in the game. this is a great run formation with misdirection and it is a killer with passing plays. Anyone else like the pro set idea?

[BobcatLionFan]

I would not doubt seeing us in a Pro set this week with both backs in the game. this is a great run formation with misdirection and it is a killer with passing plays. Anyone else like the pro set idea?

I think we need to make the offense work that they have been working on for months and months, instead of trying to get a new set into one game. To change to a Pro set in two practices is, well " " (let you fill in the blank).

The runs works the way they do because they build on other plays (setting up the D) and because the WRs spread the defense, the WRs block well downfield (Jefferson and Wheaton actually block), the TEs (many times two are used at the same time) block back side allowing the OL to pull, and the OL is opening great holes if the back is fast enough to get there (and both Groves and Mason are).

You can add a couple of special plays, but a Pro set is best when you have a very good blocking back (such as the Chargers with Neal leading the run). Very few have two featured backs. MSU is a spread offense team, using the threat of a pass to Jeffersen and Wheaton and Lewis and Tolliver and Lullay and ...., to setup the run.

Groves is a special runner, don't discount him at all. What he did against UM was special!! Mason is very good also, so we are "blessed" so to speak. But Mason is a freshman and a freshman is a freshman.

[PapaG]

Aaron Mason is not as good as Evin Groves and he understands that? Let's step back and look at the raw numbers. Groves has played in 8 games going back to the Stephen F. Austin game in 2005. Including the game this year against CU, he has played in 8 games, and carried it 117 times for a total of 493 yards. An average of 4.21 yards/carry. He also has 6 TDs to go along with that.

Mason has played in 5 games this year as a true freshman. He has 68 carries for 380 yards. That's an average of 5.59 yards/carry. He has 4 rushing TDs.

In the receiving department, Groves has 13 receptions for 74 yards and no TDS (5.69 yds./rec.). Mason has 6 catches for 53 yards and 1 receiving TD (8.83 yds./rec.).

So, is Groves all that much better than Mason? I beg to differ. He has played in only 3 more games than Mason, so it's really not an experience thing. He has less yards/carry and less yards/reception and only one more TD than Mason, so it's not a talent thing. Mason is probably not as a good a pass blocker right now, but he's a true freshman, so that will come along.

I like Mike Kramer. I like what Kramer has done for our program. I like about 99% of the stuff that comes out of Kramer's mouth because he doesn't pull any punches and alot of it is funny. But I am so tired of his putting down players in the media, especially in this case when there is really no proof that it is true.

Would it suck for Groves to lose his starting spot because of an injury? Yes. Would it suck for Mason to lose his starting spot just because of the fact the other guy is coming off IR? Yes. But IMHO, Mason just got us through two rough games and was the sole reason why we beat PSU. Our offense seems to be gelling right now, and if you bring someone else in, it could throw off the whole tempo. And we are not real sure if Groves is 100% yet. There needs to be a way to utilize them both, but please Coach, don't tell me Groves is way much better right now because I would prefer not to have any smoke blown up my arse.

I would imagine that we are going to see plenty of them both this weekend. Lets not get too excited. They will probably have equal carries this weekend,

Honestly how lucky are we to have two backs like Groves and Mason in our back pocket...I'll agree with the wing T offense...we just need someone a little more mobile at QB (and O-line) and then we can run the option sweep....HOLLA!!!

Bring back Earl Solomonson!!!

Er, on second thought...

[PapaG]

I would not doubt seeing us in a Pro set this week with both backs in the game. this is a great run formation with misdirection and it is a killer with passing plays. Anyone else like the pro set idea?

The 'Pro' set with two small TBs is difficult to run out of simply because you lose a lead blocker somewhere. Either a WR is pulled off the field for a TE, or the defense loads up in the box and there isn't a lead blocker paving the way for the run.

What I would suggest is this. If having both Groves and Mason on the field is something that the staff is advocating, run one of them off the flanker and back into to the backfield while the ball is being snapped. This gives two fast running backs going opposite directions, meaning the ends have to stay at home and the middle LB and SS can't cheat. The Raiders ran the same sort of set when Gruden was coaching there except it was either Rice or Tim Brown at the flanker spot. The idea is to create a moment's confusion, which then gives a quick back the time he needs to hit the hole with momentum. Charlie Garner was the beneficiary of this sort of attack in Oakland. It would be interesting to see how that set would work with Groves and Mason, although Lewis would have probably been the ideal candidate to run the misdirect route out of the flanker spot.

[crazycat]

I fail to see what all the hub-bub about Kramer’s comment is. First, you don’t lose your starting job to injury. Second, and even more important, if Mason knows Groves is better than he is, then that says it all.

I also get the impression that Mason is grounded enough to not make waves and is giving way to seniority. Mason probably believes in his own skills mightily, but would rather get the job without taking a page from Terrell Owens Book of Tact.

[Go Scats Go]

I fail to see what all the hub-bub about Kramer’s comment is. First, you don’t lose your starting job to injury.

I disagree, this happens all the time. Its all about winning, and if the second back plays better, then he should be the starter.

[LTown Cat]

I fail to see what all the hub-bub about Kramer’s comment is. First, you don’t lose your starting job to injury. Second, and even more important, if Mason knows Groves is better than he is, then that says it all.

I also get the impression that Mason is grounded enough to not make waves and is giving way to seniority. Mason probably believes in his own skills mightily, but would rather get the job without taking a page from Terrell Owens Book of Tact.

I don't feel you should lose a starting spot to injury, I do feel, though, that you should lose repetitions to injury if your backup plays well. I bet this is what Kramer is thinking.

[crazycat]

I fail to see what all the hub-bub about Kramer’s comment is. First, you don’t lose your starting job to injury.

I disagree, this happens all the time. Its all about winning, and if the second back plays better, then he should be the starter.

Either way you slice it, it's an awesome situation for MSU. I'd say Mason has played as well as Groves, not better. I thought his game vs. PSU was a carbon copy of Groves vs. UM last year. But it's so nice to have two guys of this caliber. They're similar backs, but Groves is bigger and stronger. If Groves struggles, which I doubt, it won't be hard to turn it back over to Mason. But I expect Mason to get several carries this week.

Another thing I like about both is that they don't appear to be the kind of back that needs a lot of carries to get rolling.

Our QB situation could work out the same way if Rolo gets a couple starts and does well. So far the injuries, while they've hurt our won-loss record, have done a lot for our depth.

[alasax]

The Bears (Chi) utilize two running back alternately and as the 2nd half progresses go with the strongest for that day.
Why not here?
It might save both of them in the course of the season.
Neither are big enough to take all of the hits all of the time and not wear on them.

[El_Gato]

I'm confident with either back in the lineup.

Let's not look past the fact that Evin may very well have had similar #'s to Mason's had he been healthy the past few weeks.

The one thing I will say about Mason is I don't think i've ever seen a quicker player in a Bobcat uniform in the 25 years I've followed them closely, including Groves.

As long as this situation doesn't prove to be a problem OFF the field, I LOVE our RB situation right now.

[Helcat72]

I would not doubt seeing us in a Pro set this week with both backs in the game. this is a great run formation with misdirection and it is a killer with passing plays. Anyone else like the pro set idea?

The 'Pro' set with two small TBs is difficult to run out of simply because you lose a lead blocker somewhere. Either a WR is pulled off the field for a TE, or the defense loads up in the box and there isn't a lead blocker paving the way for the run.

What I would suggest is this. If having both Groves and Mason on the field is something that the staff is advocating, run one of them off the flanker and back into to the backfield while the ball is being snapped. This gives two fast running backs going opposite directions, meaning the ends have to stay at home and the middle LB and SS can't cheat. The Raiders ran the same sort of set when Gruden was coaching there except it was either Rice or Tim Brown at the flanker spot. The idea is to create a moment's confusion, which then gives a quick back the time he needs to hit the hole with momentum. Charlie Garner was the beneficiary of this sort of attack in Oakland. It would be interesting to see how that set would work with Groves and Mason, although Lewis would have probably been the ideal candidate to run the misdirect route out of the flanker spot.

This what we do now with Jefferson.

[Bleedinbluengold]

Aaron Mason is not as good as Evin Groves and he understands that? Let's step back and look at the raw numbers. Groves has played in 8 games going back to the Stephen F. Austin game in 2005. Including the game this year against CU, he has played in 8 games, and carried it 117 times for a total of 493 yards. An average of 4.21 yards/carry. He also has 6 TDs to go along with that.

Mason has played in 5 games this year as a true freshman. He has 68 carries for 380 yards. That's an average of 5.59 yards/carry. He has 4 rushing TDs.

In the receiving department, Groves has 13 receptions for 74 yards and no TDS (5.69 yds./rec.). Mason has 6 catches for 53 yards and 1 receiving TD (8.83 yds./rec.).

So, is Groves all that much better than Mason? I beg to differ. He has played in only 3 more games than Mason, so it's really not an experience thing. He has less yards/carry and less yards/reception and only one more TD than Mason, so it's not a talent thing. Mason is probably not as a good a pass blocker right now, but he's a true freshman, so that will come along.

I like Mike Kramer. I like what Kramer has done for our program. I like about 99% of the stuff that comes out of Kramer's mouth because he doesn't pull any punches and alot of it is funny. But I am so tired of his putting down players in the media, especially in this case when there is really no proof that it is true.

Would it suck for Groves to lose his starting spot because of an injury? Yes. Would it suck for Mason to lose his starting spot just because of the fact the other guy is coming off IR? Yes. But IMHO, Mason just got us through two rough games and was the sole reason why we beat PSU. Our offense seems to be gelling right now, and if you bring someone else in, it could throw off the whole tempo. And we are not real sure if Groves is 100% yet. There needs to be a way to utilize them both, but please Coach, don't tell me Groves is way much better right now because I would prefer not to have any smoke blown up my arse.

Krames, I believe, said, "a little better right now."

[1BadBobcat]

Aaron Mason is not as good as Evin Groves and he understands that? Let's step back and look at the raw numbers. Groves has played in 8 games going back to the Stephen F. Austin game in 2005. Including the game this year against CU, he has played in 8 games, and carried it 117 times for a total of 493 yards. An average of 4.21 yards/carry. He also has 6 TDs to go along with that.

Mason has played in 5 games this year as a true freshman. He has 68 carries for 380 yards. That's an average of 5.59 yards/carry. He has 4 rushing TDs.

In the receiving department, Groves has 13 receptions for 74 yards and no TDS (5.69 yds./rec.). Mason has 6 catches for 53 yards and 1 receiving TD (8.83 yds./rec.).

So, is Groves all that much better than Mason? I beg to differ. He has played in only 3 more games than Mason, so it's really not an experience thing. He has less yards/carry and less yards/reception and only one more TD than Mason, so it's not a talent thing. Mason is probably not as a good a pass blocker right now, but he's a true freshman, so that will come along.

I like Mike Kramer. I like what Kramer has done for our program. I like about 99% of the stuff that comes out of Kramer's mouth because he doesn't pull any punches and alot of it is funny. But I am so tired of his putting down players in the media, especially in this case when there is really no proof that it is true.

Would it suck for Groves to lose his starting spot because of an injury? Yes. Would it suck for Mason to lose his starting spot just because of the fact the other guy is coming off IR? Yes. But IMHO, Mason just got us through two rough games and was the sole reason why we beat PSU. Our offense seems to be gelling right now, and if you bring someone else in, it could throw off the whole tempo. And we are not real sure if Groves is 100% yet. There needs to be a way to utilize them both, but please Coach, don't tell me Groves is way much better right now because I would prefer not to have any smoke blown up my arse.

Krames, I believe, said, "a little better right now."

Yes, Coach did say a "little better right now". Barechest, sorry to confuse you. If you read my original post, I did not say "way much better." Besides, my point was not to say who was the better back - my point was that I am tired of hearing Krames talk about our players in the media that would have the rest of us thinking that he didn't have any confidence in them. I realize, as was stated in a different thread, that Coach talks to these kids one-on-one and lifts them up that way. But don't do the double speak and say Mason isn't as good. Give the kid some props!

I do love our RB situation! We just need to make sure we utilize these two kids in the best possible manner. You always hear about "QB controversy." I just don't want to see a "RB controversy" and have one if not both Groves and Mason get disgruntled and quit.

[Platinumcat]

Aaron Mason is not as good as Evin Groves and he understands that? Let's step back and look at the raw numbers. Groves has played in 8 games going back to the Stephen F. Austin game in 2005. Including the game this year against CU, he has played in 8 games, and carried it 117 times for a total of 493 yards. An average of 4.21 yards/carry. He also has 6 TDs to go along with that.

Mason has played in 5 games this year as a true freshman. He has 68 carries for 380 yards. That's an average of 5.59 yards/carry. He has 4 rushing TDs.

In the receiving department, Groves has 13 receptions for 74 yards and no TDS (5.69 yds./rec.). Mason has 6 catches for 53 yards and 1 receiving TD (8.83 yds./rec.).

So, is Groves all that much better than Mason? I beg to differ. He has played in only 3 more games than Mason, so it's really not an experience thing. He has less yards/carry and less yards/reception and only one more TD than Mason, so it's not a talent thing. Mason is probably not as a good a pass blocker right now, but he's a true freshman, so that will come along.

I like Mike Kramer. I like what Kramer has done for our program. I like about 99% of the stuff that comes out of Kramer's mouth because he doesn't pull any punches and alot of it is funny. But I am so tired of his putting down players in the media, especially in this case when there is really no proof that it is true.

Would it suck for Groves to lose his starting spot because of an injury? Yes. Would it suck for Mason to lose his starting spot just because of the fact the other guy is coming off IR? Yes. But IMHO, Mason just got us through two rough games and was the sole reason why we beat PSU. Our offense seems to be gelling right now, and if you bring someone else in, it could throw off the whole tempo. And we are not real sure if Groves is 100% yet. There needs to be a way to utilize them both, but please Coach, don't tell me Groves is way much better right now because I would prefer not to have any smoke blown up my arse.

You didn't say this?

No worries 1BadBobcat, just messin' with you . I know where you're coming from on your two posts on the matter.

[1BadBobcat]

Aaron Mason is not as good as Evin Groves and he understands that? Let's step back and look at the raw numbers. Groves has played in 8 games going back to the Stephen F. Austin game in 2005. Including the game this year against CU, he has played in 8 games, and carried it 117 times for a total of 493 yards. An average of 4.21 yards/carry. He also has 6 TDs to go along with that.

Mason has played in 5 games this year as a true freshman. He has 68 carries for 380 yards. That's an average of 5.59 yards/carry. He has 4 rushing TDs.

In the receiving department, Groves has 13 receptions for 74 yards and no TDS (5.69 yds./rec.). Mason has 6 catches for 53 yards and 1 receiving TD (8.83 yds./rec.).

So, is Groves all that much better than Mason? I beg to differ. He has played in only 3 more games than Mason, so it's really not an experience thing. He has less yards/carry and less yards/reception and only one more TD than Mason, so it's not a talent thing. Mason is probably not as a good a pass blocker right now, but he's a true freshman, so that will come along.

I like Mike Kramer. I like what Kramer has done for our program. I like about 99% of the stuff that comes out of Kramer's mouth because he doesn't pull any punches and alot of it is funny. But I am so tired of his putting down players in the media, especially in this case when there is really no proof that it is true.

Would it suck for Groves to lose his starting spot because of an injury? Yes. Would it suck for Mason to lose his starting spot just because of the fact the other guy is coming off IR? Yes. But IMHO, Mason just got us through two rough games and was the sole reason why we beat PSU. Our offense seems to be gelling right now, and if you bring someone else in, it could throw off the whole tempo. And we are not real sure if Groves is 100% yet. There needs to be a way to utilize them both, but please Coach, don't tell me Groves is way much better right now because I would prefer not to have any smoke blown up my arse.

You didn't say this?

No worries 1BadBobcat, just messin' with you . I know where you're coming from on your two posts on the matter.

My bad Here's a thought: use Groves and Mason the same way the New Orleans Saints are using Reggie Bush & Deuce McAllister. Have Groves be your runner (ala McAllister) and use Mason as a punt/kick returner and throw screen and slant passes to him as to get him in open space one-on-one against the defender. Mason has got some good speed and moves