Bobcat Youth Movement - things to watch

Blue and Gold · Post by **Blue and Gold** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:55 am

As we evaluate our program, one of the positives is the younger players getting some great PT. It appears we have some very good kids getting some great game experience. One thing for sure, they now know what a three game losing streak feels like. Remember Swaggert and Ryan Johnson referring to the 0-11 season, it was always a motivating factor.

Looking at the Fresh/Sophs - Mason, Groves, Bostick, Daly, Kinkelaar, Retoriano, Gazzerro, Taito, Price, Sonsini, Big Lou, Bolton, Brown, Hoff, Schreibeis...are becoming common names.

The question I have, perhaps Barechest, you can weigh in....what about our young O-Line? What are you seeing, what should we look for?

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:04 pm

Blue and Gold wrote:As we evaluate our program, one of the positives is the younger players getting some great PT. It appears we have some very good kids getting some great game experience. One thing for sure, they now know what a three game losing streak feels like. Remember Swaggert and Ryan Johnson referring to the 0-11 season, it was always a motivating factor.

Looking at the Fresh/Sophs - Mason, Groves, Bostick, Daly, Kinkelaar, Retoriano, Gazzerro, Taito, Price, Sonsini, Big Lou, Bolton, Brown, Hoff, Schreibeis...are becoming common names.

The question I have, perhaps Barechest, you can weigh in....what about our young O-Line? What are you seeing, what should we look for?

Don't forget Hanson! He played great at center

BobcatLionFan · Post by **BobcatLionFan** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:40 pm

Helcat72 wrote:
Blue and Gold wrote:As we evaluate our program, one of the positives is the younger players getting some great PT. It appears we have some very good kids getting some great game experience. One thing for sure, they now know what a three game losing streak feels like. Remember Swaggert and Ryan Johnson referring to the 0-11 season, it was always a motivating factor.

Looking at the Fresh/Sophs - Mason, Groves, Bostick, Daly, Kinkelaar, Retoriano, Gazzerro, Taito, Price, Sonsini, Big Lou, Bolton, Brown, Hoff, Schreibeis...are becoming common names.

The question I have, perhaps Barechest, you can weigh in....what about our young O-Line? What are you seeing, what should we look for?
Don't forget Hanson! He played great at center

Might remind you Blue and Gold, you mentioned Big Lou (OL) so two of the five (with Hansen or Jim) are in your list.
You can throw in Lulay. The older group is DBs.

Actually with 64 scholarships, most teams have youth starting and then you have the Transfers. This is nothing new to the Cats.

What was it three years ago, Lulay, Force, Bolton, Wolf, Hirst, etc, were starting.
Then two years ago four Freshmen started Fuller, Austin, Jensen, King (All Freshmen). Last year there were a lot of Underclassmen starting, including King, Daly, Jensen, Fuller, Austin, Groves, Barhart, Papich, Kolona.

So the norm is the have a set of underclassmen stepping up.

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:45 pm

BobcatLionFan is probably right. But, a difference I see in this group of youngsters is the QUALITY of performances being put in. An example here could be Epi when he started as a freshman. If I remember correctly, he didn't start all season because he wasn't completely getting the job done. Fuller had a tough freshman season as well but we didn't have anyone else to go to that year.

There are plenty of individual standout performances historically for our freshman and sophomores. I just see it as a more complete package this year from that group.

I have two comments to make regarding our o line. First, it seems Jensen has had an abnormal number of penalties this year. I'm not really sure what would be the answer there. But, I hope they're done. Secondly, the game yesterday (and to some extent against EWU) the offensive line took control of the line of scrimmage both on passing and running downs. I wasn't sure what to think after Chadron and UC Davis. But, I see them starting to gel and play really well as a unit. If they continue to play well and we can run the ball, I say watch out for the Bobcats this year.

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:21 pm

barechestcat wrote:
I have two comments to make regarding our o line. First, it seems Jensen has had an abnormal number of penalties this year. I'm not really sure what would be the answer there. But, I hope they're done. .

Jensen has had an injury problem. He wasn't even going to play this week. I thought he did a good job considering.

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:24 pm

Helcat72 wrote:
barechestcat wrote:
I have two comments to make regarding our o line. First, it seems Jensen has had an abnormal number of penalties this year. I'm not really sure what would be the answer there. But, I hope they're done. .
Jensen has had an injury problem. He wasn't even going to play this week. I thought he did a good job considering.

He did play well, but he has had way too many penalties to date. Hopefully that is coming to an end.

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:32 pm

Helcat72 wrote:
barechestcat wrote:
I have two comments to make regarding our o line. First, it seems Jensen has had an abnormal number of penalties this year. I'm not really sure what would be the answer there. But, I hope they're done. .
Jensen has had an injury problem. He wasn't even going to play this week. I thought he did a good job considering.

Are we talking some kind of nagging injury? Is it effecting his ability to move laterally on pass plays? This could explain his ineffectiveness against EWU (he was getting beat regularly on outside pass rushes) and it could also explain his moving before the snap in trying to get a head start on that rush.

I think he's a good player and plays hard...hopefully he'll be healing soon and hopefully the penalties are done.

MTBuff · Post by **MTBuff** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:15 pm

Don't forget about Fisher at kicker - big reason why Cats are third in Big Sky conf. in kickoff coverage - and he'll replace Hastings next year at placekicker.

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:47 am

barechestcat wrote:
Helcat72 wrote:
barechestcat wrote:
I have two comments to make regarding our o line. First, it seems Jensen has had an abnormal number of penalties this year. I'm not really sure what would be the answer there. But, I hope they're done. .
Jensen has had an injury problem. He wasn't even going to play this week. I thought he did a good job considering.
Are we talking some kind of nagging injury? Is it effecting his ability to move laterally on pass plays? This could explain his ineffectiveness against EWU (he was getting beat regularly on outside pass rushes) and it could also explain his moving before the snap in trying to get a head start on that rush.

I think he's a good player and plays hard...hopefully he'll be healing soon and hopefully the penalties are done.

His right knee

GavinDonos · Post by **GavinDonos** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:09 am

MTBuff wrote:Don't forget about Fisher at kicker - big reason why Cats are third in Big Sky conf. in kickoff coverage - and he'll replace Hastings next year at placekicker.

I really like Fisher's kick-offs. They are really high for excellent hang time and they land between the 5yd line and the goal line. When our coverage doesn't collapse it's an easy kill inside the 20. We saw that a few times on Sat.

I prefer sticking them at the 12 as opposed to just mindlessly booting it out of the endzone everytime, which Fisher can do with ease if any of you got to see him kick for West.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:14 pm

I disagree on the kicks. Look at NAU, their kicker kicked it out of or deep in the endzone every time and we did not attempt one run back, started at the 20 the whole game. While we did pin them a couple of times, they also had a couple very good run backs with position near the 40. If kramer sticks to his philosophy of no run backs, why would we roll punt but then not kick out of the endzone if the kicker is able.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:32 pm

Helcat72 wrote:
Blue and Gold wrote:As we evaluate our program, one of the positives is the younger players getting some great PT. It appears we have some very good kids getting some great game experience. One thing for sure, they now know what a three game losing streak feels like. Remember Swaggert and Ryan Johnson referring to the 0-11 season, it was always a motivating factor.

Looking at the Fresh/Sophs - Mason, Groves, Bostick, Daly, Kinkelaar, Retoriano, Gazzerro, Taito, Price, Sonsini, Big Lou, Bolton, Brown, Hoff, Schreibeis...are becoming common names.

The question I have, perhaps Barechest, you can weigh in....what about our young O-Line? What are you seeing, what should we look for?
Don't forget Hanson! He played great at center

Hanson did great I thought to. He better eat his wheaties this week though as he is playing across from BIG HUMAN #2 this week in that PSU NT. That is one big man. Sometimes it is easier to control those type guys (especially pass rush ) though than those smaller quick/strong/rangy guys that you can't get your hands on square etc. I know I always likes playing against bigger guys (played power foward/center) in bball than shorter quick/strong type guys as they were harder to follow and get a body on.

As far as the DL side though. Our DL is gong to have to get a push on their big line. They have monsters on the OL so this could be the best of the battles worth watching. Hoffy was really getting a push last week, but maybe our smaller/quick lineup might have those big OL wiffing at air though too. I bet you will see a lot of different type of formations that the CATS line up in this week. 4-3/3-4/2-5-2 etc.

Did I say I was really looking forward to this WAR this week .. I mean game? Should be a very physical game.

Griz Dude · Post by **Griz Dude** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:19 pm

I hate to burst your bubble, Bobcat fans, after a great road win versus NAU. But, the Big Sky Conference is a two-team conference this year, PSU and the Griz. For the rest of the teams, including MSU, you could throw them into a basket and pull one of them out on any given week. Basically, the rest of the conference is very weak this season, and the bottom 7 teams (besides PSU and Montana) will take turns beating each other up every week. I do not expect PSU to lose another game after their new QB gets settles in. The Griz will not lose period in the Sky.

The Cats should look to next season. It isn't gonna happen for you this year. This is not smack, just the way I see it.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:44 pm

You need lasik, in that case.

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:40 pm

Griz Dude wrote:I hate to burst your bubble, Bobcat fans, after a great road win versus NAU. But, the Big Sky Conference is a two-team conference this year, PSU and the Griz. For the rest of the teams, including MSU, you could throw them into a basket and pull one of them out on any given week. Basically, the rest of the conference is very weak this season, and the bottom 7 teams (besides PSU and Montana) will take turns beating each other up every week. I do not expect PSU to lose another game after their new QB gets settles in. The Griz will not lose period in the Sky.

The Cats should look to next season. It isn't gonna happen for you this year. This is not smack, just the way I see it.

So, what is making you say this? Have you watched the Cats play in person? Are you going off of the games they lost? Do you think that those games reflected the true Bobcats and the CU/NAU were flukes? If the latter is your opinion, I'm plenty happy to let you think that. But, what you need to know is that the Cats are a very talented team. This is part of the frustration by a lot of us fans the last month in that we knew they had talent but weren't showing it.

So, show me your football knowledge Grizdude. Tell me why we should hang up our season because I'm sure you wouldn't want me to go over to egriz and tell you guys that you've played your best ball and the rest of the season is all downhill from here on out.

GavinDonos · Post by **GavinDonos** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:52 am

Griz Dude wrote:I hate to burst your bubble, Bobcat fans, after a great road win versus NAU. But, the Big Sky Conference is a two-team conference this year, PSU and the Griz. For the rest of the teams, including MSU, you could throw them into a basket and pull one of them out on any given week. Basically, the rest of the conference is very weak this season, and the bottom 7 teams (besides PSU and Montana) will take turns beating each other up every week. I do not expect PSU to lose another game after their new QB gets settles in. The Griz will not lose period in the Sky.

The Cats should look to next season. It isn't gonna happen for you this year. This is not smack, just the way I see it.

Last week Griz Dude wrote:Sorry, but I think NAU is one of the top 3 teams in the Big Sky this season (with the Griz and PSU). I think the Cats will be beaten soundly once again.

NAU 38

CATS 17

LOL

Yeah, we'd better just write this season off, cuz Swami sez.

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:27 am

"All Hail Swami. All Hail Swami."

Once the drug-induced fog clears, swami may change his mind.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:55 am

All hale Wolf/Az........

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:20 am

Griz Dude wrote:I hate to burst your bubble, Bobcat fans, after a great road win versus NAU. But, the Big Sky Conference is a two-team conference this year, PSU and the Griz. For the rest of the teams, including MSU, you could throw them into a basket and pull one of them out on any given week. Basically, the rest of the conference is very weak this season, and the bottom 7 teams (besides PSU and Montana) will take turns beating each other up every week. I do not expect PSU to lose another game after their new QB gets settles in. The Griz will not lose period in the Sky.

The Cats should look to next season. It isn't gonna happen for you this year. This is not smack, just the way I see it.

Great! Thats what we like to hear. This team plays a lot better with a chip on its shoulder! Thanks Griz Dude.

Griz Dude · Post by **Griz Dude** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:28 am

I am not trying to be an *sshole. Yes, I watched much of the Cat/NAU game on TV at a sports bar. What I saw was two teams with no defense. No Big Sky team can beat either PSU or the Griz with defenses like I witnessed.

You can poke fun of me all you want, but you will see that I was correct come November. The bottom 7 Sky teams will take turns beating each other. The Griz will end up 7-0, PSU will end up 6-1, and the next team, whoever it is, will be 4-3.

This conference is very weak overall this year, unlike previous years. Seems like some of you have forgotten the embarrassing losses the Cats had versus Chadron and Davis. Your team just is not very good this year. Again, no smack. This is not my intent. Just my observations.

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