With Or(egon) without you

[TomCat88]

Here's a comparison of all MSU's games vs FCS-only games:
Adam Jones
75 carries for 415 yards (5.5 yards per carry)
66 carries for 400 yards (6.1 ypc)

Julius Davis
59-392 6.6
54-376 7.0

Justin Lamson
77-274 3.6
66-275 4.2

Team rushing offense
281-1580 5.6
254-1534 6.0

Team rushing defense
211-699 3.3
172-446 2.6

Total offense
456-3051 435.9/game; 6.7/play
398-2807 467.8/game; 7.1/play

Total defense
450-2182 311.7; 4.8
386-1676 279.3; 4.3

Pass offense efficiency
127-175-3, 1471, 12tds 162.4
104-144-3, 1273, 12tds 169.8
Lamson
119-162-2, 1402, 12 168.1
98-131-2, 1204, 12 179.2

Pass defense efficiency
144-239-4, 1483, 9 121.5
125-214-4, 1230, 6 112.2

Scoring offense
234 33.4
221 36.8

Scoring defense
123 17.6
64 10.7

[RockyBearCat]

Thanks Tom. Glad we don't have P4 games for at least the next couple years. I don't think we gain much from them. G6 are fine but I don't think the payout makes it worth it anymore to play up. I am curious of the home game "costs". Since we got I think 600K from Oregon and pay travel out of that, we make maybe 200-300K? If we play at home and only average $50/seat, the income is over $1MM. I can't imagine that home game costs are 600 or 700K.

[AFCAT]

Thanks Tom. Glad we don't have P4 games for at least the next couple years. I don't think we gain much from them. G6 are fine but I don't think the payout makes it worth it anymore to play up. I am curious of the home game "costs". Since we got I think 600K from Oregon and pay travel out of that, we make maybe 200-300K? If we play at home and only average $50/seat, the income is over $1MM. I can't imagine that home game costs are 600 or 700K.

Yeah, with the kind of money P4 teams have, I wouldn't schedule one of them again for anything less than a million dollars. The Cats just raised over $600,000 at the B&G gala last week, almost as much as they got for playing Oregon. Crazy.

https://herosports.com/2025-fcs-vs-fbs-payouts-bzbz/

[RockyBearCat]

Thanks Tom. Glad we don't have P4 games for at least the next couple years. I don't think we gain much from them. G6 are fine but I don't think the payout makes it worth it anymore to play up. I am curious of the home game "costs". Since we got I think 600K from Oregon and pay travel out of that, we make maybe 200-300K? If we play at home and only average $50/seat, the income is over $1MM. I can't imagine that home game costs are 600 or 700K.

Yeah, with the kind of money P4 teams have, I wouldn't schedule one of them again for anything less than a million dollars. The Cats just raised over $600,000 at the B&G gala last week, almost as much as they got for playing Oregon. Crazy.

https://herosports.com/2025-fcs-vs-fbs-payouts-bzbz/

Even at a million dollars,it seems like we would make as much playing a lowly FCS team and getting the win. If we had played Sacred Heart our first game instead of Oregon, Cats would be ranked top 3 at this point...

[AFCAT]

Thanks Tom. Glad we don't have P4 games for at least the next couple years. I don't think we gain much from them. G6 are fine but I don't think the payout makes it worth it anymore to play up. I am curious of the home game "costs". Since we got I think 600K from Oregon and pay travel out of that, we make maybe 200-300K? If we play at home and only average $50/seat, the income is over $1MM. I can't imagine that home game costs are 600 or 700K.

Yeah, with the kind of money P4 teams have, I wouldn't schedule one of them again for anything less than a million dollars. The Cats just raised over $600,000 at the B&G gala last week, almost as much as they got for playing Oregon. Crazy.

https://herosports.com/2025-fcs-vs-fbs-payouts-bzbz/

Even at a million dollars,it seems like we would make as much playing a lowly FCS team and getting the win. If we had played Sacred Heart our first game instead of Oregon, Cats would be ranked top 3 at this point...

Definitely, even the gris seemed to have figured that one out.

[Bobcat Sig]

Thanks Tom. Glad we don't have P4 games for at least the next couple years. I don't think we gain much from them. G6 are fine but I don't think the payout makes it worth it anymore to play up. I am curious of the home game "costs". Since we got I think 600K from Oregon and pay travel out of that, we make maybe 200-300K? If we play at home and only average $50/seat, the income is over $1MM. I can't imagine that home game costs are 600 or 700K.

Yeah, with the kind of money P4 teams have, I wouldn't schedule one of them again for anything less than a million dollars. The Cats just raised over $600,000 at the B&G gala last week, almost as much as they got for playing Oregon. Crazy.

https://herosports.com/2025-fcs-vs-fbs-payouts-bzbz/

And now, with the Oregon game, they amassed over $1.2MM. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially in this day and age. That's why games like Oregon are played.

[RockyBearCat]

Thanks Tom. Glad we don't have P4 games for at least the next couple years. I don't think we gain much from them. G6 are fine but I don't think the payout makes it worth it anymore to play up. I am curious of the home game "costs". Since we got I think 600K from Oregon and pay travel out of that, we make maybe 200-300K? If we play at home and only average $50/seat, the income is over $1MM. I can't imagine that home game costs are 600 or 700K.

Yeah, with the kind of money P4 teams have, I wouldn't schedule one of them again for anything less than a million dollars. The Cats just raised over $600,000 at the B&G gala last week, almost as much as they got for playing Oregon. Crazy.

https://herosports.com/2025-fcs-vs-fbs-payouts-bzbz/

And now, with the Oregon game, they amassed over $1.2MM. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially in this day and age. That's why games like Oregon are played.

You say that getting the 680,000 from OU is the reason those games are played. My argument is that Cats had to pay travel of likely at least 200K out of that. If Cats were home against a lower FCS school, they sell at least $1MM in tickets and spend "home game costs". I don't know the ## on home game costs, maybe similar to the OU travel costs? I think gris have proven that having the extra home game helps rankings even when they played a D2 team. No, I don't ever want a D2 on the schedule. I am just saying that earning 680K isn't better than earning 1MM on ticket sales at home.

[AFCAT]

Thanks Tom. Glad we don't have P4 games for at least the next couple years. I don't think we gain much from them. G6 are fine but I don't think the payout makes it worth it anymore to play up. I am curious of the home game "costs". Since we got I think 600K from Oregon and pay travel out of that, we make maybe 200-300K? If we play at home and only average $50/seat, the income is over $1MM. I can't imagine that home game costs are 600 or 700K.

Yeah, with the kind of money P4 teams have, I wouldn't schedule one of them again for anything less than a million dollars. The Cats just raised over $600,000 at the B&G gala last week, almost as much as they got for playing Oregon. Crazy.

https://herosports.com/2025-fcs-vs-fbs-payouts-bzbz/

And now, with the Oregon game, they amassed over $1.2MM. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially in this day and age. That's why games like Oregon are played.

You say that getting the 680,000 from OU is the reason those games are played. My argument is that Cats had to pay travel of likely at least 200K out of that. If Cats were home against a lower FCS school, they sell at least $1MM in tickets and spend "home game costs". I don't know the ## on home game costs, maybe similar to the OU travel costs? I think gris have proven that having the extra home game helps rankings even when they played a D2 team. No, I don't ever want a D2 on the schedule. I am just saying that earning 680K isn't better than earning 1MM on ticket sales at home.

Throw in the cost of paying for an opposing team to come to Bobcat stadium too, unless you get a home and home series.

[catatac]

Thanks Tom. Glad we don't have P4 games for at least the next couple years. I don't think we gain much from them. G6 are fine but I don't think the payout makes it worth it anymore to play up. I am curious of the home game "costs". Since we got I think 600K from Oregon and pay travel out of that, we make maybe 200-300K? If we play at home and only average $50/seat, the income is over $1MM. I can't imagine that home game costs are 600 or 700K.

Yeah, with the kind of money P4 teams have, I wouldn't schedule one of them again for anything less than a million dollars. The Cats just raised over $600,000 at the B&G gala last week, almost as much as they got for playing Oregon. Crazy.

https://herosports.com/2025-fcs-vs-fbs-payouts-bzbz/

And now, with the Oregon game, they amassed over $1.2MM. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially in this day and age. That's why games like Oregon are played.

You say that getting the 680,000 from OU is the reason those games are played. My argument is that Cats had to pay travel of likely at least 200K out of that. If Cats were home against a lower FCS school, they sell at least $1MM in tickets and spend "home game costs". I don't know the ## on home game costs, maybe similar to the OU travel costs? I think gris have proven that having the extra home game helps rankings even when they played a D2 team. No, I don't ever want a D2 on the schedule. I am just saying that earning 680K isn't better than earning 1MM on ticket sales at home.

Throw in the cost of paying for an opposing team to come to Bobcat stadium too, unless you get a home and home series.

And the real eye opener for me after that game was reading that there were several players on that team that make more per year in NIL money than our entire team was paid to go over there for that ass kicking. Pretty lopsided.

[onceacat]

Thanks Tom. Glad we don't have P4 games for at least the next couple years. I don't think we gain much from them. G6 are fine but I don't think the payout makes it worth it anymore to play up. I am curious of the home game "costs". Since we got I think 600K from Oregon and pay travel out of that, we make maybe 200-300K? If we play at home and only average $50/seat, the income is over $1MM. I can't imagine that home game costs are 600 or 700K.

I hope to God it's not that much in travel costs. I can fly out to an Oregon game for $300, plus another $150 for 2 nights of hotel (a $150/night room split 2 ways) and another $150 or so in meals. Presumably it's cheaper for the Cats to charter a flight & pay bulk rate on rooms. And if you are chartering a plane, you are only staying one night & flying out after the game on Saturday.

100 players, coaches, and staff x $500 (one night split 4 ways)= $50k

or x $600 if its 2 nights and 2 guys to a room = $60k

Thats around $540k net of expenses.

I have to imagine that a home game is $100-$200k to pay the team to come plus $100k in venue costs. So probably a net closer to $700-$800.

I'm with whoever said a minimum payout of $1m for a P4 school, $400-$500 is fine for a G6. Nevada paid Sac Sate $400k...I'd take that in a heartbeat because I think the Cats would beat the ChoatePack by 15 & the Cats would be in the mix for a Top 2 seed.

[94VegasCat]

Thanks Tom. Glad we don't have P4 games for at least the next couple years. I don't think we gain much from them. G6 are fine but I don't think the payout makes it worth it anymore to play up. I am curious of the home game "costs". Since we got I think 600K from Oregon and pay travel out of that, we make maybe 200-300K? If we play at home and only average $50/seat, the income is over $1MM. I can't imagine that home game costs are 600 or 700K.

Yeah, with the kind of money P4 teams have, I wouldn't schedule one of them again for anything less than a million dollars. The Cats just raised over $600,000 at the B&G gala last week, almost as much as they got for playing Oregon. Crazy.

https://herosports.com/2025-fcs-vs-fbs-payouts-bzbz/

Even at a million dollars,it seems like we would make as much playing a lowly FCS team and getting the win. If we had played Sacred Heart our first game instead of Oregon, Cats would be ranked top 3 at this point...

If the Cats would’ve piss pounded Mercyhurst we’d be ranked #3 right now

[nanacat]

Thanks Tom. Glad we don't have P4 games for at least the next couple years. I don't think we gain much from them. G6 are fine but I don't think the payout makes it worth it anymore to play up. I am curious of the home game "costs". Since we got I think 600K from Oregon and pay travel out of that, we make maybe 200-300K? If we play at home and only average $50/seat, the income is over $1MM. I can't imagine that home game costs are 600 or 700K.

Yeah, with the kind of money P4 teams have, I wouldn't schedule one of them again for anything less than a million dollars. The Cats just raised over $600,000 at the B&G gala last week, almost as much as they got for playing Oregon. Crazy.

https://herosports.com/2025-fcs-vs-fbs-payouts-bzbz/

Even at a million dollars,it seems like we would make as much playing a lowly FCS team and getting the win. If we had played Sacred Heart our first game instead of Oregon, Cats would be ranked top 3 at this point...

If the Cats would’ve piss pounded Mercyhurst we’d be ranked #3 right now

Ya, crazy how holding them to 0 points and only scoring 17 makes the Cats a lesser quality team.

[94VegasCat]

Thanks Tom. Glad we don't have P4 games for at least the next couple years. I don't think we gain much from them. G6 are fine but I don't think the payout makes it worth it anymore to play up. I am curious of the home game "costs". Since we got I think 600K from Oregon and pay travel out of that, we make maybe 200-300K? If we play at home and only average $50/seat, the income is over $1MM. I can't imagine that home game costs are 600 or 700K.

Yeah, with the kind of money P4 teams have, I wouldn't schedule one of them again for anything less than a million dollars. The Cats just raised over $600,000 at the B&G gala last week, almost as much as they got for playing Oregon. Crazy.

https://herosports.com/2025-fcs-vs-fbs-payouts-bzbz/

Even at a million dollars,it seems like we would make as much playing a lowly FCS team and getting the win. If we had played Sacred Heart our first game instead of Oregon, Cats would be ranked top 3 at this point...

If the Cats would’ve piss pounded Mercyhurst we’d be ranked #3 right now

Ya, crazy how holding them to 0 points and only scoring 17 makes the Cats a lesser quality team.

I 100% agree with you on this but the voters in the polls didn’t see it that way. That’s my gripe. Sorry for sharing it.

[allcat]

It will sort out. It's still a little early but when you start to compare conference wins in three games so far.
Team. Margin. total points allowed
Um. 34. 107
Davis. 50. 85
Cats. 112. 27
I think Davis is better than gris and we are better than Davis.