Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:39 am
Frigin ridiculous.
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Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:48 am
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:50 am
I don't understand how this happens. Like did MSU have such bad info about the situation? You'd think they'd know ahead of time the chances of playing.
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:50 am
Son of a...
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:51 am
That's what I'm wondering too. Did we roll the dice thinking the ASU situation would go in his favor? Did we not think about that rule?
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:53 am
Not only does this suck for MSU, but it puts this young man in a crappy situation of not being to play this year. I can't believe these types of things can't be resolved before the start of the season, no less three games in. What are his options now? Sit out a year and lose eligibility? Can he still play for us in 2024? Will he even want to stick around that long? Ugh, bad news for all parties involved....
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:54 am
That really sucks for him. The NCAA is a lottery
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:55 am
They changed the 2nd transfer rules in March after Lonyatta had transferred in Jan.
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:56 am
I find it hard to understand how we've ended up in a system in which a player would be allowed to transfer, enroll in their new school, and participate in practice without knowing if the transfer waiver will be approved. Hoping one of MSU's recent big name transfers in another sport doesn't run into the same issues.
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:58 am
I don't think this was unexpected. As has been well documented nationally, the NCAA transfer rules changed regarding second time transfers this last offseason. It's unfortunate for all of the guys that transferred this last offseason, but going forward this will likely be the norm. I think many programs were hoping the players that transferred this last offseason would get "grandfather waivers" based on last years rules, but that would make too much sense for the NCAA.
Big picture I don't think the rule change is bad, goes back to sitting out a year for transfer the second time while still allowing one "free" transfer, but it would have been nice to at least let those that entered the portal before the rules changed get through.
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:00 pm
It’s certainly amazing. Isaiah can transfer to San Jose State and go through Spring ball, then decide to transfer again to Cal a few weeks later and play with no problem.
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:08 pm
Gotta feel for this kid. From everything I've heard, he is an extremely talented young man who would be an instant difference maker for the cats offense. I would imagine he would stay since he has to sit out a year anyway. Did this happen to another player last year?
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:15 pm
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:19 pm
Same thing happened to a WR at UNC.
The big problem is that the NCAA doesn’t have hardset rules, and the rules they have, they don’t apply the same every time. So it’s not that MSU had bad information, it’s really just that the NCAA sucks.
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:19 pm
Not surprising given the ruling on the Tez Walker eligibility issue at North Carolina a couple weeks ago. The NCAA is a JOKE. Unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt with tangible evidence the second transfer improved your life and/or health, you are going to be denied at this point.
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:20 pm
Rule change was needed, NCAA handled it poorly.4KornerKat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:58 amI don't think this was unexpected. As has been well documented nationally, the NCAA transfer rules changed regarding second time transfers this last offseason. It's unfortunate for all of the guys that transferred this last offseason, but going forward this will likely be the norm. I think many programs were hoping the players that transferred this last offseason would get "grandfather waivers" based on last years rules, but that would make too much sense for the NCAA.
Big picture I don't think the rule change is bad, goes back to sitting out a year for transfer the second time while still allowing one "free" transfer, but it would have been nice to at least let those that entered the portal before the rules changed get through.
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:30 pm
What's the difference between these players?
https://msubobcats.com/sports/football/ ... r-jr-/6066
Montana State (2023) Transferred to Montana State in January.
Washington (2022) Played in 11 games for Washington in 2022, catching one pass (vs. Portland State) for nine yards.
Arizona State (2021) Played in two games at Arizona State in 2021 without stats.
https://gogriz.com/sports/football/rost ... idlak/6845
2023 (Montana - R-So.): Transferred to Montana from BSU in time for winter conditioning… Expected to compete for a starting position with three years of eligibility remaining... Impressed in the spring game going 11-15-0 for 152 yards and two TDs.
2022 (Boise St. - R-Fr.): Played in three games for the Broncos... Completed 9-of-12 passes (75%) for 86 yards in a win over San Diego State, with a long pass of 53 yards... Also attempted a pass in wins over Colorado State and at Nevada… Helped lead BSU to a win in the Frisco Bowl.
2021 (Oregon St. - Fr.): Appeared in one game for the Beavers as a true freshman, playing 12 snaps and completing 2-of-3 passes for eight yards… Was a redshirt.
https://msubobcats.com/sports/football/ ... r-jr-/6066
Montana State (2023) Transferred to Montana State in January.
Washington (2022) Played in 11 games for Washington in 2022, catching one pass (vs. Portland State) for nine yards.
Arizona State (2021) Played in two games at Arizona State in 2021 without stats.
https://gogriz.com/sports/football/rost ... idlak/6845
2023 (Montana - R-So.): Transferred to Montana from BSU in time for winter conditioning… Expected to compete for a starting position with three years of eligibility remaining... Impressed in the spring game going 11-15-0 for 152 yards and two TDs.
2022 (Boise St. - R-Fr.): Played in three games for the Broncos... Completed 9-of-12 passes (75%) for 86 yards in a win over San Diego State, with a long pass of 53 yards... Also attempted a pass in wins over Colorado State and at Nevada… Helped lead BSU to a win in the Frisco Bowl.
2021 (Oregon St. - Fr.): Appeared in one game for the Beavers as a true freshman, playing 12 snaps and completing 2-of-3 passes for eight yards… Was a redshirt.
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:03 pm
Vidlak won the Frisco Bowl and Alexander didn't?HelenaCat95 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:30 pmWhat's the difference between these players?
https://msubobcats.com/sports/football/ ... r-jr-/6066
Montana State (2023) Transferred to Montana State in January.
Washington (2022) Played in 11 games for Washington in 2022, catching one pass (vs. Portland State) for nine yards.
Arizona State (2021) Played in two games at Arizona State in 2021 without stats.
https://gogriz.com/sports/football/rost ... idlak/6845
2023 (Montana - R-So.): Transferred to Montana from BSU in time for winter conditioning… Expected to compete for a starting position with three years of eligibility remaining... Impressed in the spring game going 11-15-0 for 152 yards and two TDs.
2022 (Boise St. - R-Fr.): Played in three games for the Broncos... Completed 9-of-12 passes (75%) for 86 yards in a win over San Diego State, with a long pass of 53 yards... Also attempted a pass in wins over Colorado State and at Nevada… Helped lead BSU to a win in the Frisco Bowl.
2021 (Oregon St. - Fr.): Appeared in one game for the Beavers as a true freshman, playing 12 snaps and completing 2-of-3 passes for eight yards… Was a redshirt.
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:10 pm
I was asking a rhetorical question. Because it looks like the two scenarios are very similar - except one is currently playing and one is not.MSU01 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:03 pmVidlak won the Frisco Bowl and Alexander didn't?HelenaCat95 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:30 pmWhat's the difference between these players?
https://msubobcats.com/sports/football/ ... r-jr-/6066
Montana State (2023) Transferred to Montana State in January.
Washington (2022) Played in 11 games for Washington in 2022, catching one pass (vs. Portland State) for nine yards.
Arizona State (2021) Played in two games at Arizona State in 2021 without stats.
https://gogriz.com/sports/football/rost ... idlak/6845
2023 (Montana - R-So.): Transferred to Montana from BSU in time for winter conditioning… Expected to compete for a starting position with three years of eligibility remaining... Impressed in the spring game going 11-15-0 for 152 yards and two TDs.
2022 (Boise St. - R-Fr.): Played in three games for the Broncos... Completed 9-of-12 passes (75%) for 86 yards in a win over San Diego State, with a long pass of 53 yards... Also attempted a pass in wins over Colorado State and at Nevada… Helped lead BSU to a win in the Frisco Bowl.
2021 (Oregon St. - Fr.): Appeared in one game for the Beavers as a true freshman, playing 12 snaps and completing 2-of-3 passes for eight yards… Was a redshirt.
Re: Lonyatta Alexander Jr.
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:15 pm
Maybe they submitted a waiver request immediately and it got processed before the rule change? I don't think he graduated from Boise State which would be the only other obvious reason.