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Re: Moving up

Post by Cat Grad » Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:58 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:51 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:29 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:34 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:57 pm
This should be a really good game.

https://fightinghawks.com/news/2023/5/3 ... rts-1.aspx
Why? Boise will be favored by 20.
And they won't cover. I'd love to see ND piss pound them.
??? Are you sure that you don’t have ND confused with NDSU?


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NDSU isn't going to be the same this year. They lost too many kids to graduation and the portal.

Edit* https://www.valleynewslive.com/2023/01/ ... nues-grow/



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Re: Moving up

Post by Cataholic » Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:02 am

Cat Grad wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:58 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:51 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:29 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:34 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:57 pm
This should be a really good game.

https://fightinghawks.com/news/2023/5/3 ... rts-1.aspx
Why? Boise will be favored by 20.
And they won't cover. I'd love to see ND piss pound them.
??? Are you sure that you don’t have ND confused with NDSU?


https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-football


NDSU isn't going to be the same this year. They lost too many kids to graduation and the portal.

Edit* https://www.valleynewslive.com/2023/01/ ... nues-grow/
Okay…. You might be the only person in the country thinking ND is going to whip Boise. Boise is a top 30 team in FBS. ND hasn’t even cracker the top 10 in FCS. I really don’t think this game will be close.



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Re: Moving up

Post by Cat Grad » Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:45 am

Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:02 am
Cat Grad wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:58 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:51 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:29 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:34 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:57 pm
This should be a really good game.

https://fightinghawks.com/news/2023/5/3 ... rts-1.aspx
Why? Boise will be favored by 20.
And they won't cover. I'd love to see ND piss pound them.
??? Are you sure that you don’t have ND confused with NDSU?


https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-football


NDSU isn't going to be the same this year. They lost too many kids to graduation and the portal.

Edit* https://www.valleynewslive.com/2023/01/ ... nues-grow/
Okay…. You might be the only person in the country thinking ND is going to whip Boise. Boise is a top 30 team in FBS. ND hasn’t even cracker the top 10 in FCS. I really don’t think this game will be close.
Well, yes. Last year Texas A&M was a preseason top five team. Florida was a top ten team. Us older folks still hate that damn junior college in the state to the west of Montana and everything about their cheating SOBs in their athletic department.

I don't think ND will win, but I sure hope they curb stomp their asses.



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Re: Moving up

Post by Utcatsfan » Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:14 pm

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If the PAC 12 was to lose Oregon, UW, Arizona, ASU, Colorado and Utah, they will most likely try to survive by getting MWC teams: Colorado State, San Diego State, Boise State and maybe Fresno or UNLV. That leaves a need for teams in the MWC. Who else could join the MWC? MSU and UM would clearly be the most logical teams to consider. Who else would the MWC even consider?

If those PAC 12 defections happen and the conference folds, then you have 4 teams looking for a new conference. The MWC already has 12 teams. Do they try go to 16 teams because those teams would clearly add value to the MWC? I can’t imagine those 4 teams joining a different conference.
I think if the PAC lost 6 schools and chose to backfill rather then break apart you could potentially see the following:

-PAC adds SDSU, Fresno State, UNLV, Boise State, Colorado State and Hawaii to get back to 10. Could go for more if they add $$ but for now will stick at 10.

-The remaining 6 MWC members would backfill first with UTEP and NMSU. After that I think both MSU and UM would be added to get back to 10, if they wanted to expand to 12 I'd go for 1 more California team (Sac State) and then maybe go for Idaho to open a new market/state (and they have boosters still wanting back into FBS). Wouldn't be a terrible looking Conference:

SJSU, Sac State, Idaho, MSU, Montana, Nevada, Utah State, Wyoming, Air Force, New Mexico, NMSU, UTEP

STATES: (CA, ID, MT, NV, UT, WY, CO, NM, TX)

Also completely disagree with moving up by ourselves, it WILL kill the rivalry and to me that's unacceptable. As mentioned it wasn't to long ago the roles were reversed between UM and MSU. Also some short memories here, when the WAC came calling back in the day Montana refused because they only wanted them and not us. We're a package deal, as we should be.



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Re: Moving up

Post by Hawks86 » Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:10 am

They didn't move up because they weren't ready to.


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Re: Moving up

Post by WalkOn79 » Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:40 am

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We can’t even win a National Championship at this level. Why would people want to watch us play for a the chance at a bowl game? This would be a huge mistake. The fan base would drop to below 10,000 fans per game. It would destroy our program. Just look at Idaho. There is a reason they came back to the Big Sky.
Totally disagree. Bobcat Stadium is packed on Saturdays because it's the place to be. It's a premier and one of a kind event that people don't want to miss. It's the same thing in Missoula. Like an old athletic director used to always say: "It's not about winning. It's about the hope of winning. If you win consistently for awhile, then people will have the hope of winning forever."

Montana State would have to be absolutely terrible for 10+ years in a row AND have a style that was unappealing to watch AND have a terrible coach for people to completely stop coming to games. And that wouldn't happen. If MSU was FBS, they could out-recruit at least half the league simply based on Bozeman being a way more desirable destination than Laramie or Reno or San Jose or wherever.
100% agree. We need to look forward and in a way that looks at the entire athletics department as opposed to just football. People on the basketball board are always talking about how they want MSU to build a mid-major power like Gonzaga, but there's 0% chance of that happening if MSU stays in a one-bid conference like the Big Sky where one bad conference tournament game can ruin your season no matter how many games you won before that. I have no clue if the opportunity to move up to FBS is going to be there soon, but the worst thing to me would be to turn down such an opportunity and cling on to an FCS system that's getting weaker and weaker every year as so many of its best teams have made the move to FBS. Increasingly what's left are the Montana/Big Sky schools and XDSU schools dominating the division every year while nobody outside of those states pays attention or cares.
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Re: Moving up

Post by Cat Grad » Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:19 am

Personally, I would be against associating with this group. They still blatantly disregard any sense of fair play just as they did in 49 when the crisis caused it to fall apart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Coast_Conference

I do in fact hope we keep Idaho with us based upon this series record:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Br ... he%201980s.

Does anyone know the series record of MSU vs Idaho?



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Re: Moving up

Post by Cat Grad » Tue Jun 06, 2023 11:25 am

Hilarious reading, not just the headline but the comments! Inflated sense of self-worth is putting it mildly.

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Re: Moving up

Post by PapaG » Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:13 pm

Cat Grad wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:50 pm
For those who still think what is going to be left of the pac stealing MWC teams:

https://www.wyomingnewsnow.tv/2023/05/3 ... 23-season/

The reality is that what is left of the pac when six teams head for the Big 10 & 12 the MWC would be making a huge mistake picking up the ones left behind. What conference in the midwest wants Uncle Phil's school or UDUB? New conference?
It makes me chuckle when people use “Uncle Phil” as an insult for UO. Isn’t that what every university wants? A mega-donor who wants the best for his alma mater? He does the same at Stanford, where he went to grad school. They just don’t care as much about athletics so his donations have mainly been for academics. It’s not as if he puts every cent of donations into the AD in Eugene. He’s donated tens of millions to the university general fund as well as specific colleges, too.

As it is, my younger daughter chose Oregon State for College of Animal Science this Fall so my allegiance is split, at best.


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Re: Moving up

Post by allcat » Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:08 pm

Cat Grad wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:19 am
Personally, I would be against associating with this group. They still blatantly disregard any sense of fair play just as they did in 49 when the crisis caused it to fall apart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Coast_Conference

I do in fact hope we keep Idaho with us based upon this series record:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Br ... he%201980s.

Does anyone know the series record of MSU vs Idaho?
Why would you care about the Stein? You constantly deride Um as a Community College.


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Re: Moving up

Post by Cat Grad » Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:29 pm

allcat wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:08 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:19 am
Personally, I would be against associating with this group. They still blatantly disregard any sense of fair play just as they did in 49 when the crisis caused it to fall apart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Coast_Conference

I do in fact hope we keep Idaho with us based upon this series record:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Br ... he%201980s.

Does anyone know the series record of MSU vs Idaho?
Why would you care about the Stein? You constantly deride Um as a Community College.
I suppose nobody gives you sh*t about the Griz series record against the Cats. Idaho owns the Griz.

There are certain fan bases really disliked all over this country. Other than Southern Cal, I can't stand any pac school and the only reason I like USC is because my lady's aunt was their House Mother for over thirty years and Cliff was flown down to talk to Carroll's defense before the Rose Bowl one year.

And yes, I really don't care for UM's fanbase. Dislike their behavior almost as much as the pac or Boise State.



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Re: Moving up

Post by AFCAT » Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:53 pm

PapaG wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:13 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:50 pm
For those who still think what is going to be left of the pac stealing MWC teams:

https://www.wyomingnewsnow.tv/2023/05/3 ... 23-season/

The reality is that what is left of the pac when six teams head for the Big 10 & 12 the MWC would be making a huge mistake picking up the ones left behind. What conference in the midwest wants Uncle Phil's school or UDUB? New conference?
It makes me chuckle when people use “Uncle Phil” as an insult for UO. Isn’t that what every university wants? A mega-donor who wants the best for his alma mater? He does the same at Stanford, where he went to grad school. They just don’t care as much about athletics so his donations have mainly been for academics. It’s not as if he puts every cent of donations into the AD in Eugene. He’s donated tens of millions to the university general fund as well as specific colleges, too.

As it is, my younger daughter chose Oregon State for College of Animal Science this Fall so my allegiance is split, at best.
My rich uncle graduated from MSU and Stanford and he doesn’t give money to either school. Drives me nuts.

Stanford definitely cares about academics but I wouldn’t agree that they don’t care much about athletics. They may not be great in football right now but they have probably the most successful athletic department in America having won at least one NCAA team championship each academic year for 47 consecutive years.


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Re: Moving up

Post by allcat » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:11 pm

Cat Grad wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:29 pm
allcat wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:08 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:19 am
Personally, I would be against associating with this group. They still blatantly disregard any sense of fair play just as they did in 49 when the crisis caused it to fall apart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Coast_Conference

I do in fact hope we keep Idaho with us based upon this series record:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Br ... he%201980s.

Does anyone know the series record of MSU vs Idaho?
Why would you care about the Stein? You constantly deride Um as a Community College.
I suppose nobody gives you sh*t about the Griz series record against the Cats. Idaho owns the Griz.

There are certain fan bases really disliked all over this country. Other than Southern Cal, I can't stand any pac school and the only reason I like USC is because my lady's aunt was their House Mother for over thirty years and Cliff was flown down to talk to Carroll's defense before the Rose Bowl one year.

And yes, I really don't care for UM's fanbase. Dislike their behavior almost as much as the pac or Boise State.
I have no idea what you tried to say in your usually cryptic style that only you can get.


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Re: Moving up

Post by Cat Grad » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:47 pm

allcat wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:11 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:29 pm
allcat wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:08 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:19 am
Personally, I would be against associating with this group. They still blatantly disregard any sense of fair play just as they did in 49 when the crisis caused it to fall apart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Coast_Conference

I do in fact hope we keep Idaho with us based upon this series record:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Br ... he%201980s.

Does anyone know the series record of MSU vs Idaho?
Why would you care about the Stein? You constantly deride Um as a Community College.
I suppose nobody gives you sh*t about the Griz series record against the Cats. Idaho owns the Griz.

There are certain fan bases really disliked all over this country. Other than Southern Cal, I can't stand any pac school and the only reason I like USC is because my lady's aunt was their House Mother for over thirty years and Cliff was flown down to talk to Carroll's defense before the Rose Bowl one year.

And yes, I really don't care for UM's fanbase. Dislike their behavior almost as much as the pac or Boise State.
I have no idea what you tried to say in your usually cryptic style that only you can get.
I seriously doubt if you comprehend anything. Seriously. Do you know what the Idaho-Montana series record is?
Do you know what the MSU-UM serious record is?

They are both lopsided. Idaho owns UM record wise.

But, it really is apparent you have an extremely limited knowledge base, but that's okay. I actually don't care.



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Re: Moving up

Post by Prodigal Cat » Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:19 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:20 am
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:05 am
Cataholic wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 9:30 pm
I recognize the appeal of MSU and UM to an FBS conference is limited due to our population and limited TV market, but maybe we are looking at wrong.

If the PAC 12 was to lose Oregon, UW, Arizona, ASU, Colorado and Utah, they will most likely try to survive by getting MWC teams: Colorado State, San Diego State, Boise State and maybe Fresno or UNLV. That leaves a need for teams in the MWC. Who else could join the MWC? MSU and UM would clearly be the most logical teams to consider. Who else would the MWC even consider?

If those PAC 12 defections happen and the conference folds, then you have 4 teams looking for a new conference. The MWC already has 12 teams. Do they try go to 16 teams because those teams would clearly add value to the MWC? I can’t imagine those 4 teams joining a different conference.

I am amazed that the PAC 12 has not publicly made overtures to add CSU and San Diego State. Both big TV markets and good facilities. That commissioner should be fired for being so unprepared and losing both USC and UCLA. His lack of action right now is really strange to me.
Sac St and UC Davis. Especially if Fresno was gone the dissenters among the MWC would be diminished. Both schools have large enrollment, endowment, natural rivalry, a largish media market and lots of $$$$$$. Especially Davis which is closer to the PAC 12 in their academics and money than FCS. They just don't seem to care about sports.

They also might try to poach from C-USA. UTEP and N Mex St fit geographically and MWC has a better TV deal although not sure what that would look like without teams like Boise, Fresno, and SDSU.
I you have ever been to a game in Davis or Sac, you would probably dismiss any thought of them being an FBS school. They check the TV market criteria, but a huge investment would be needed for facilities. I just can’t imagine any G5 conference would want them.

Agree though on New Mexico State and UTEP. They fit the profile of a MWC school. And the MWC is probably and upgrade over Conference USA. But that is only two schools while the MWC could lose 4 or more to the PAC 12. I have to believe that despite our small TV market, our facilities and success will eventually get us in the MWC - basically because of P5 conferences stealing teams.
The TV market is exactly why they would want Davis. Yes the attendance is abysmal because they are playing Portland St, but if they were playing Fresno or Boise that changes things. They have an alumni base that could put together a few hundred million so fast it would make your head swim. They just don't seem interested. They were D2 only a few decades ago.


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Re: Moving up

Post by Cataholic » Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:33 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:19 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:20 am
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:05 am
Cataholic wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 9:30 pm
I recognize the appeal of MSU and UM to an FBS conference is limited due to our population and limited TV market, but maybe we are looking at wrong.

If the PAC 12 was to lose Oregon, UW, Arizona, ASU, Colorado and Utah, they will most likely try to survive by getting MWC teams: Colorado State, San Diego State, Boise State and maybe Fresno or UNLV. That leaves a need for teams in the MWC. Who else could join the MWC? MSU and UM would clearly be the most logical teams to consider. Who else would the MWC even consider?

If those PAC 12 defections happen and the conference folds, then you have 4 teams looking for a new conference. The MWC already has 12 teams. Do they try go to 16 teams because those teams would clearly add value to the MWC? I can’t imagine those 4 teams joining a different conference.

I am amazed that the PAC 12 has not publicly made overtures to add CSU and San Diego State. Both big TV markets and good facilities. That commissioner should be fired for being so unprepared and losing both USC and UCLA. His lack of action right now is really strange to me.
Sac St and UC Davis. Especially if Fresno was gone the dissenters among the MWC would be diminished. Both schools have large enrollment, endowment, natural rivalry, a largish media market and lots of $$$$$$. Especially Davis which is closer to the PAC 12 in their academics and money than FCS. They just don't seem to care about sports.

They also might try to poach from C-USA. UTEP and N Mex St fit geographically and MWC has a better TV deal although not sure what that would look like without teams like Boise, Fresno, and SDSU.
I you have ever been to a game in Davis or Sac, you would probably dismiss any thought of them being an FBS school. They check the TV market criteria, but a huge investment would be needed for facilities. I just can’t imagine any G5 conference would want them.

Agree though on New Mexico State and UTEP. They fit the profile of a MWC school. And the MWC is probably and upgrade over Conference USA. But that is only two schools while the MWC could lose 4 or more to the PAC 12. I have to believe that despite our small TV market, our facilities and success will eventually get us in the MWC - basically because of P5 conferences stealing teams.
The TV market is exactly why they would want Davis. Yes the attendance is abysmal because they are playing Portland St, but if they were playing Fresno or Boise that changes things. They have an alumni base that could put together a few hundred million so fast it would make your head swim. They just don't seem interested. They were D2 only a few decades ago.
That is a pretty good point with the TV market and alumni for Davis. But their 10,000 seat stadium would need a $50+ million upgrade to even be in consideration.



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Re: Moving up

Post by allcat » Wed Jun 07, 2023 6:43 am

Cat Grad wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:47 pm
allcat wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:11 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:29 pm
allcat wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:08 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:19 am
Personally, I would be against associating with this group. They still blatantly disregard any sense of fair play just as they did in 49 when the crisis caused it to fall apart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Coast_Conference

I do in fact hope we keep Idaho with us based upon this series record:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Br ... he%201980s.

Does anyone know the series record of MSU vs Idaho?
Why would you care about the Stein? You constantly deride Um as a Community College.
I suppose nobody gives you sh*t about the Griz series record against the Cats. Idaho owns the Griz.

There are certain fan bases really disliked all over this country. Other than Southern Cal, I can't stand any pac school and the only reason I like USC is because my lady's aunt was their House Mother for over thirty years and Cliff was flown down to talk to Carroll's defense before the Rose Bowl one year.

And yes, I really don't care for UM's fanbase. Dislike their behavior almost as much as the pac or Boise State.
I have no idea what you tried to say in your usually cryptic style that only you can get.
I seriously doubt if you comprehend anything. Seriously. Do you know what the Idaho-Montana series record is?
Do you know what the MSU-UM serious record is?

They are both lopsided. Idaho owns UM record wise.

But, it really is apparent you have an extremely limited knowledge base, but that's okay. I actually don't care.
You confuse ND with NDSU then post stuff about keeping Idaho, while wanting to dump Um. All this while wanting to praising the series. I think the old term addled would be a fairly good adjective for describing yourself.


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Re: Moving up

Post by PapaG » Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:00 am

AFCAT wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:53 pm
PapaG wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:13 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:50 pm
For those who still think what is going to be left of the pac stealing MWC teams:

https://www.wyomingnewsnow.tv/2023/05/3 ... 23-season/

The reality is that what is left of the pac when six teams head for the Big 10 & 12 the MWC would be making a huge mistake picking up the ones left behind. What conference in the midwest wants Uncle Phil's school or UDUB? New conference?
It makes me chuckle when people use “Uncle Phil” as an insult for UO. Isn’t that what every university wants? A mega-donor who wants the best for his alma mater? He does the same at Stanford, where he went to grad school. They just don’t care as much about athletics so his donations have mainly been for academics. It’s not as if he puts every cent of donations into the AD in Eugene. He’s donated tens of millions to the university general fund as well as specific colleges, too.

As it is, my younger daughter chose Oregon State for College of Animal Science this Fall so my allegiance is split, at best.
My rich uncle graduated from MSU and Stanford and he doesn’t give money to either school. Drives me nuts.

Stanford definitely cares about academics but I wouldn’t agree that they don’t care much about athletics. They may not be great in football right now but they have probably the most successful athletic department in America having won at least one NCAA team championship each academic year for 47 consecutive years.
I guess I meant football. They don’t really yield on the academic side in admissions so it takes a special group which is why they’re good for 4 years every decade or so and not consistently. Plus they need elite coaching and had it with Harbaigh but not as much with Shaw. They do excel at the rich kid sports, true.


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Re: Moving up

Post by onceacat » Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:33 pm

PapaG wrote:
Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:00 am
AFCAT wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:53 pm
PapaG wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:13 pm
Cat Grad wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:50 pm
For those who still think what is going to be left of the pac stealing MWC teams:

https://www.wyomingnewsnow.tv/2023/05/3 ... 23-season/

The reality is that what is left of the pac when six teams head for the Big 10 & 12 the MWC would be making a huge mistake picking up the ones left behind. What conference in the midwest wants Uncle Phil's school or UDUB? New conference?
It makes me chuckle when people use “Uncle Phil” as an insult for UO. Isn’t that what every university wants? A mega-donor who wants the best for his alma mater? He does the same at Stanford, where he went to grad school. They just don’t care as much about athletics so his donations have mainly been for academics. It’s not as if he puts every cent of donations into the AD in Eugene. He’s donated tens of millions to the university general fund as well as specific colleges, too.

As it is, my younger daughter chose Oregon State for College of Animal Science this Fall so my allegiance is split, at best.
My rich uncle graduated from MSU and Stanford and he doesn’t give money to either school. Drives me nuts.

Stanford definitely cares about academics but I wouldn’t agree that they don’t care much about athletics. They may not be great in football right now but they have probably the most successful athletic department in America having won at least one NCAA team championship each academic year for 47 consecutive years.
I guess I meant football. They don’t really yield on the academic side in admissions so it takes a special group which is why they’re good for 4 years every decade or so and not consistently. Plus they need elite coaching and had it with Harbaigh but not as much with Shaw. They do excel at the rich kid sports, true.
Its not so much that they dont "yield"...all the money sports players have to meet the minimum admissions requirements for freshmen & mostly always have.

Its more that the admissions requirements are higher for transfers & grad students and so its tough (impossible) for football to play the portal game.



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Re: Moving up

Post by PapaG » Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:52 pm

onceacat wrote:
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For those who still think what is going to be left of the pac stealing MWC teams:

https://www.wyomingnewsnow.tv/2023/05/3 ... 23-season/

The reality is that what is left of the pac when six teams head for the Big 10 & 12 the MWC would be making a huge mistake picking up the ones left behind. What conference in the midwest wants Uncle Phil's school or UDUB? New conference?
It makes me chuckle when people use “Uncle Phil” as an insult for UO. Isn’t that what every university wants? A mega-donor who wants the best for his alma mater? He does the same at Stanford, where he went to grad school. They just don’t care as much about athletics so his donations have mainly been for academics. It’s not as if he puts every cent of donations into the AD in Eugene. He’s donated tens of millions to the university general fund as well as specific colleges, too.

As it is, my younger daughter chose Oregon State for College of Animal Science this Fall so my allegiance is split, at best.
My rich uncle graduated from MSU and Stanford and he doesn’t give money to either school. Drives me nuts.

Stanford definitely cares about academics but I wouldn’t agree that they don’t care much about athletics. They may not be great in football right now but they have probably the most successful athletic department in America having won at least one NCAA team championship each academic year for 47 consecutive years.
I guess I meant football. They don’t really yield on the academic side in admissions so it takes a special group which is why they’re good for 4 years every decade or so and not consistently. Plus they need elite coaching and had it with Harbaigh but not as much with Shaw. They do excel at the rich kid sports, true.
Its not so much that they dont "yield"...all the money sports players have to meet the minimum admissions requirements for freshmen & mostly always have.

Its more that the admissions requirements are higher for transfers & grad students and so its tough (impossible) for football to play the portal game.
I e read this three times and still don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Standoffs has higher admissions standards for student-athletes than, say, Oregon and Montana State. It severely limits their recruiting pool. There are also no easy degrees at Stanford to steer some athletes toward, unlike at most perennial football and basketball powers. North Carolina made up classes for basketball players and somehow didn’t get any NCAA punishment for it.

This is an indisputable fact.


Seattle to Billings to Missoula to Bozeman to Portland to Billings

What a ride

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