Spring ball thread
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:27 am
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Post your thoughts and insights on this thread.
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Man, I love your breakdowns. In another life, you would have made a good ESPN analyst. Secondary feels like a question mark. Some good talent, a lot of unproven dudes, a shoulder shrug as to whether they are good or not. Correct me if I’m wrong.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:58 amPosition Battles - Defense
Safeties/NB -
For my breakdown of the safeties and NB position this spring, see here: https://bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewt ... 75#p819775
Linebacker -
Projected starters are Danny U and Nolan. Projected backups are McCade O'Reilly, Cole Bullock, Neil Daily, and Jace Fitzgerald. Other depth pieces include Ryan Krahe, Eli Aby (who I still think is going to compete at Nickel), and Zac Waible. The group to watch is the four projected backups. McCade will likely be the starter this spring alongside Danny but Cole was brought in to add thump in the middle and Neil/Jace should be ready to take the next step. Regardless, MSU has commonly had four LBs ready to go as starters since Bobby Daly has been the LB coach. He likes to rotate so if Nolan or Danny ever get injured (which they have every year they have been here), kids like Neil or Jace better be ready to play. Aby was listed as a LB for spring ball so it will be interesting to see where he fits. Krahe and Waible are both PWO players from last year but its always interesting to see development.
Defensive End -
We may just have an embarrassment of riches at this position headed into spring ball. Brody and Ben are likely the projected starters until we're told otherwise but Kenny Eiden really came on last year as a player that could supplant a starter like Ben. Seymour works his tail off and I believed played the 2nd most snaps on defense last year but that isn't exactly a great formula for success due to his skillset. Ben is a pass rusher and has a high motor so it would be great if they could move him into a more rotational role. The other member of the 4-man rotation is David Alston who has all the tools in the world to be a force at DE. Others who should push for playing time in 2023 include Hunter Parsons, Logan Frederickson, Zac Crews, and transfer Nick Korom. Other DE's on the roster include Jake Vigen (who has put on some pounds) and Luke Fedyk (a solid recruit out of Bozeman who has been ransacked with injuries his first two years). Of course I'm interested in watching the first four again this spring but way more intrigued by Parsons, Frederickson, and Crews. Parsons got a taste due to injuries last year and Frederickson added much needed weight to his long frame. Korom has some pass rush specialty to his game and Crews has put on roughly 25 lbs. since high school two years ago. Should be a fun group to watch this spring.
Defensive Tackle -
Sebastian Valdez and Blake Schmidt were the rocks in the middle last year with Paul Brott, Zack Black, and Blake Hehl rotating in. That shouldn't really change much in 2023 but Valdez and Hehl will be on the mend this spring. One kid who has a major opportunity to prove he belongs in the rotation is Ethan Abbott (6'5", 270 lbs.). He's lost some of the bad weight he brought to MSU from high school and he's had a year in the weight program under his belt. After Abbott, the only two other DTs listed on the spring roster are Jaren Perkins and transfer Ryland Swarthout (all 231 lbs. of him). In short, I really thought Brott and Black made HUGE strides during 2022 which was vital for the 2023 defense to be better than 2022. If a kid like Abbott proves he belongs, Blake Hehl may not have an automatic spot on the rotation anymore.
Corners -
Simeon Woodard returns as the only true corner with significant minutes from last year now that Dru Polidore as been moved to compete at FS with Tyson Pottenger. However, Devin Davis beat out James Campbell last year in fall camp prior to an injury right before the first game. Miles Jackson has been a special teams stalwart the past two years but now enters his junior season looking to earn a role on this defense. Jackson Harmon has the size but was very raw coming out of high school...has he made the next step coming into his sophomore season? Then you have a transfer in Blake Stillwell and a flashy redshirt freshman in Takhari Carr. Those six players make up the core competition at corner this spring prior to fall camp adding some freshman talent in Tayden Gray and Andrew Powdrel. Corner is a position that has proven to play early in college football if you can compete. Davis, Jackson, and Harmon are all long body types that should excel on the outside but I'm excited to see what Stillwell and Carr show this spring.
Pretty crazy what was being said at this time last year pre-spring ball to how they are viewed now. That whole "proving people wrong" thing is still the greatest motivator. I'm just amazed by the tackle depth which is usually harder to find at this level.
Agreed. Coach V is handling this like a true leader. He will use the Crews situation to unite the team. Coach V is turning this "apparent" weakness into a strength. So glad we have Coach V at the helm.
Any thoughts on the position coaching change here? Al Johnson looks on paper like a hell of a hire, but these guys grew up together and had success under Brian. I'm betting it will be just fine with the rest of the offensive staff intact.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:25 pmPretty crazy what was being said at this time last year pre-spring ball to how they are viewed now. That whole "proving people wrong" thing is still the greatest motivator. I'm just amazed by the tackle depth which is usually harder to find at this level.
White was out of his walking boot by playoff time last year. He's fully healthy.JoeCatsJoe wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:54 pmDoes anyone know what stage White is in his recovery? Vigen didn’t mention him in his presser that I recall, so I assume he’s good to go.
Do you think that if TD Tommy or Chambers gets hurt during the season, we stick with one guy like we did at ewu (after TD Tommy went out) and against UC Davis? I think maybe these younger guys need to be ready to step into the double headed monster of MSU QB when called upon. The mantra of “if you have two, you have none” was thrown to the wayside by the 2022 team. We’re capable of winning with just one of those two QBs. Do you think that long term will be a dual QB system or will we move away from it after Chambers is gone?VimSince03 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:47 amPosition Battles - Offense
Quarterback -
We know the two-headed monster we have in Big Cat/Little Cat (Sean/Tommy). When both healthy, its a fail on our offense to not score a touchdown every possession. They are that hard to defend. However, what happens when they get hurt? Obviously we found out last year things change quickly in terms of offensive production. The good news is we got to see some Sean Austin last year and I came away more impressed than I thought I'd be. He's a good passer and has some calmness to his game. He's obviously not the same athlete as Sean or Tommy and even younger guys in Jordan Reed or Chance Wilson. But Sean made strides last yaer...no doubt. Jordan Reed flashed in the spring and some on here were saying "Jordan Reed for President" but his season ended in fall camp due to injury. Make no mistake, Jordan has exciting tools as a dual-threat QB. He throws a great deep ball with good velocity but I'm unsure on his overall decision making because I just haven't seen him play a lot. Chance Wilson comes in as an early grad looking to compete right away. Some may assume that means competing with Jordan Reed and Sean Austin but if you remember the signing day presser last December, the local press from Owasso, Oklahoma believes Chance should get a chance to win the starting QB job. Love the enthusiasm but expectations usually get tempered once real college defensive bullets start flying. Then there is Luke Abshire who is likely playing for a spot on the team this spring.
Awesome. Coaches seemed to think highly of him, can’t wait to see what he provides. Of course, we have like 7 guys who are capable back there, but he jumped up the depth chart last year before he got hurt.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:56 pmWhite was out of his walking boot by playoff time last year. He's fully healthy.JoeCatsJoe wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:54 pmDoes anyone know what stage White is in his recovery? Vigen didn’t mention him in his presser that I recall, so I assume he’s good to go.
Chambers gives us a unique situation. Ideally we go back to a traditional single QB system when he's done because it's unrealistic to believe we'll have two true QB1s on the team that work this well together going forward, especially that can be productive on the field at the same time. If we still use a 2QB system after Sean and Tommy are gone it's more likely to be the 2 QBs = No QBs situation just based on the history of football. We've got something really special that shouldn't be taken for granted.94VegasCat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:55 pmDo you think that if TD Tommy or Chambers gets hurt during the season, we stick with one guy like we did at ewu (after TD Tommy went out) and against UC Davis? I think maybe these younger guys need to be ready to step into the double headed monster of MSU QB when called upon. The mantra of “if you have two, you have none” was thrown to the wayside by the 2022 team. We’re capable of winning with just one of those two QBs. Do you think that long term will be a dual QB system or will we move away from it after Chambers is gone?VimSince03 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:47 amPosition Battles - Offense
Quarterback -
We know the two-headed monster we have in Big Cat/Little Cat (Sean/Tommy). When both healthy, its a fail on our offense to not score a touchdown every possession. They are that hard to defend. However, what happens when they get hurt? Obviously we found out last year things change quickly in terms of offensive production. The good news is we got to see some Sean Austin last year and I came away more impressed than I thought I'd be. He's a good passer and has some calmness to his game. He's obviously not the same athlete as Sean or Tommy and even younger guys in Jordan Reed or Chance Wilson. But Sean made strides last yaer...no doubt. Jordan Reed flashed in the spring and some on here were saying "Jordan Reed for President" but his season ended in fall camp due to injury. Make no mistake, Jordan has exciting tools as a dual-threat QB. He throws a great deep ball with good velocity but I'm unsure on his overall decision making because I just haven't seen him play a lot. Chance Wilson comes in as an early grad looking to compete right away. Some may assume that means competing with Jordan Reed and Sean Austin but if you remember the signing day presser last December, the local press from Owasso, Oklahoma believes Chance should get a chance to win the starting QB job. Love the enthusiasm but expectations usually get tempered once real college defensive bullets start flying. Then there is Luke Abshire who is likely playing for a spot on the team this spring.
Yep, really lousy schedule. At the risk of sounding arrogant, the Bobcats better win all of their September and October home games by double digits. Probably also NAU. Definitely hitting up Brookings to see a competitive game in person this season, though we'll see how good Aaron Best is at rebuilding EWU...coloradocat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:34 pmChambers gives us a unique situation. Ideally we go back to a traditional single QB system when he's done because it's unrealistic to believe we'll have two true QB1s on the team that work this well together going forward, especially that can be productive on the field at the same time. If we still use a 2QB system after Sean and Tommy are gone it's more likely to be the 2 QBs = No QBs situation just based on the history of football. We've got something really special that shouldn't be taken for granted.94VegasCat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:55 pmDo you think that if TD Tommy or Chambers gets hurt during the season, we stick with one guy like we did at ewu (after TD Tommy went out) and against UC Davis? I think maybe these younger guys need to be ready to step into the double headed monster of MSU QB when called upon. The mantra of “if you have two, you have none” was thrown to the wayside by the 2022 team. We’re capable of winning with just one of those two QBs. Do you think that long term will be a dual QB system or will we move away from it after Chambers is gone?VimSince03 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:47 amPosition Battles - Offense
Quarterback -
We know the two-headed monster we have in Big Cat/Little Cat (Sean/Tommy). When both healthy, its a fail on our offense to not score a touchdown every possession. They are that hard to defend. However, what happens when they get hurt? Obviously we found out last year things change quickly in terms of offensive production. The good news is we got to see some Sean Austin last year and I came away more impressed than I thought I'd be. He's a good passer and has some calmness to his game. He's obviously not the same athlete as Sean or Tommy and even younger guys in Jordan Reed or Chance Wilson. But Sean made strides last yaer...no doubt. Jordan Reed flashed in the spring and some on here were saying "Jordan Reed for President" but his season ended in fall camp due to injury. Make no mistake, Jordan has exciting tools as a dual-threat QB. He throws a great deep ball with good velocity but I'm unsure on his overall decision making because I just haven't seen him play a lot. Chance Wilson comes in as an early grad looking to compete right away. Some may assume that means competing with Jordan Reed and Sean Austin but if you remember the signing day presser last December, the local press from Owasso, Oklahoma believes Chance should get a chance to win the starting QB job. Love the enthusiasm but expectations usually get tempered once real college defensive bullets start flying. Then there is Luke Abshire who is likely playing for a spot on the team this spring.
We have probably the worst home schedule in school history this year. There are six games available to give the backups solid playing time, either on their own or as part of the combo package.