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Re: 2019 Polls

Post by MTCAT91 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:45 pm

Just for clarification, if UND is not considered to be a Big Sky member this year, why does our loss to them count as a conference loss? They don't appear in any Big Sky standings that I see. Sorry if this has already been discussed and I just missed it.



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Re: 2019 Polls

Post by BleedingBLue » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:48 pm

MTCAT91 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:45 pm
Just for clarification, if UND is not considered to be a Big Sky member this year, why does our loss to them count as a conference loss? They don't appear in any Big Sky standings that I see. Sorry if this has already been discussed and I just missed it.
Since the schedule was set several years ago before UND decided to leave, the conference decided to keep it as is instead of redoing the entire conference scheduling. All the games against UND count towards the conference standings for the teams still in the conference, but not UND since they are considered independent until they officially join the MVFC next year.



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Re: 2019 Polls

Post by MTCAT91 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:51 pm

Thanks for explaining!



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Re: 2019 Polls

Post by Cataholic » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:17 pm

cats2506 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:18 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:07 am
cats2506 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:58 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:12 am
onceacat wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:29 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:54 pm
BleedingBLue wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:54 pm
Idaho has 17 yards of offense starting the 3rd quarter against Sac State :o
After the way Weber has played the last two weeks, I’d say SAC is the top team in the league.
Yeah, but if we pull off a win next week to break the 3 way tie, then Weebs has the tiebreaker. Not sure what happens if we lose to the fizz, and all 3 tie.
I haven’t looked the BSC three-way tiebreaker for a while, but I think they go down the standings. If ewu wins next week, it would be alone at #4. Weber would be eliminated since they didn’t play them and both UM and SAC beat them. Then it would go back to head2head. SAC would get automatic bid, IF that’s the case.
Weber beat SAC
Both beat EWU.

If all three are tied and 1-1 vs each other, then you go to next team in standings, which is EWU. Weber didn’t play EWU. SAC and UM both beat EWU. Then with Weber out yo go back to head2head. SAC beat UM. SAC would get autobid.
I see what you are saying, in that case you couldn't eliminate Weber because of a team they didn't play.
Another crazy scenario exists. If MSU and EWU win, and Sac and Weber lose next week, that would leave 5 teams with a 6-2 conference record creating a 5 way tie for conference champs. EWU could actually be co-conference champs and not make the playoffs.



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Re: 2019 Polls

Post by ibleedblue » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:20 pm

Saw a FCS tweet that if Griz, Weber, and Sac all finished tied for first, the auto bid would come down to Sagarin rating. The Griz lead in that as of today.



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Re: 2019 Polls

Post by Catsrgrood » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:30 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:17 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:18 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:07 am
cats2506 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:58 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:12 am
onceacat wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:29 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:54 pm
BleedingBLue wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:54 pm
Idaho has 17 yards of offense starting the 3rd quarter against Sac State :o
After the way Weber has played the last two weeks, I’d say SAC is the top team in the league.
Yeah, but if we pull off a win next week to break the 3 way tie, then Weebs has the tiebreaker. Not sure what happens if we lose to the fizz, and all 3 tie.
I haven’t looked the BSC three-way tiebreaker for a while, but I think they go down the standings. If ewu wins next week, it would be alone at #4. Weber would be eliminated since they didn’t play them and both UM and SAC beat them. Then it would go back to head2head. SAC would get automatic bid, IF that’s the case.
Weber beat SAC
Both beat EWU.

If all three are tied and 1-1 vs each other, then you go to next team in standings, which is EWU. Weber didn’t play EWU. SAC and UM both beat EWU. Then with Weber out yo go back to head2head. SAC beat UM. SAC would get autobid.
I see what you are saying, in that case you couldn't eliminate Weber because of a team they didn't play.
Another crazy scenario exists. If MSU and EWU win, and Sac and Weber lose next week, that would leave 5 teams with a 6-2 conference record creating a 5 way tie for conference champs. EWU could actually be co-conference champs and not make the playoffs.
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Re: 2019 Polls

Post by TomCat88 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:35 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:33 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:07 am
cats2506 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:58 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:12 am
onceacat wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:29 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:54 pm
BleedingBLue wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:54 pm
Idaho has 17 yards of offense starting the 3rd quarter against Sac State :o
After the way Weber has played the last two weeks, I’d say SAC is the top team in the league.
Yeah, but if we pull off a win next week to break the 3 way tie, then Weebs has the tiebreaker. Not sure what happens if we lose to the fizz, and all 3 tie.
I haven’t looked the BSC three-way tiebreaker for a while, but I think they go down the standings. If ewu wins next week, it would be alone at #4. Weber would be eliminated since they didn’t play them and both UM and SAC beat them. Then it would go back to head2head. SAC would get automatic bid, IF that’s the case.
Weber beat SAC
Both beat EWU.

If all three are tied and 1-1 vs each other, then you go to next team in standings, which is EWU. Weber didn’t play EWU. SAC and UM both beat EWU. Then with Weber out yo go back to head2head. SAC beat UM. SAC would get autobid.
Weber gets thrown out because EWU wasn't on their schedule?? That can't be right.
It might not be. Like I said, I haven’t looked at the three-way BSC tiebreaker for awhile. That’s how it worked last time I checked. If they didn’t redo it, then that’s it.


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Re: 2019 Polls

Post by Montanabob » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:36 pm

From the mess in 2014:
2014 -TIE-BREAKER
When two or more Conference members are tied in the final Conference standings, the tie shall be broken for purposes of determining the NCAA FCS automatic bid only, and shall be determined on the following basis:
1. Head-to-head Competition
2.Record against common CONFERENCE opponents in descending order
3. Record against common NON-CONFERENCE opponents
4. Sagarin Rating
5. Coin Flip


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Re: 2019 Polls

Post by uofmman1122 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:06 pm

Montanabob wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:36 pm
From the mess in 2014:
2014 -TIE-BREAKER
When two or more Conference members are tied in the final Conference standings, the tie shall be broken for purposes of determining the NCAA FCS automatic bid only, and shall be determined on the following basis:
1. Head-to-head Competition
2.Record against common CONFERENCE opponents in descending order
3. Record against common NON-CONFERENCE opponents
4. Sagarin Rating
5. Coin Flip
I posted this on eGriz about how it'll work, assuming Sac, UM, and Weebs all win:

1. All 1-1 against each other.
2. Idaho and UC Davis are the only common opponents all three teams played. Assuming Sac is still in it by beating UC Davis this week, all three teams are 2-0 against those two.
3. No common opponents here.
4. No common opponents here.
5. 81. Montana, 101. Weber, 102. Sac

If all three teams win this weekend, this is how the order will likely stay, which means the Griz win the autobid (not that it really matters when it comes to seeding).

I have no idea what will happen if all three of these schools lose this weekend, however. That will be a cluster if there ever was one.

Edit: So here's what it would look like if Weber, Montana, MSU, Sac and EWU all finish 6-2:

1. Since all of the teams didn't play each other, I don't think this will work.
2. There are no common conference opponents that every team played.
3. Same as above.
4. There are no common non-conference opponents that every team played.
5. Sagarin Rankings, again. :lol:

If there is some weird business where they use head-to-head among these teams, despite all of the teams not playing each other, here's the order they finished among this group.
Sac State 3-1
Montana 2-2
MSU 1-1
Weber 1-1
EWU 0-2
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Re: 2019 Polls

Post by kwcat » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:21 pm

uofmman1122 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:06 pm
Montanabob wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:36 pm
From the mess in 2014:
2014 -TIE-BREAKER
When two or more Conference members are tied in the final Conference standings, the tie shall be broken for purposes of determining the NCAA FCS automatic bid only, and shall be determined on the following basis:
1. Head-to-head Competition
2.Record against common CONFERENCE opponents in descending order
3. Record against common NON-CONFERENCE opponents
4. Sagarin Rating
5. Coin Flip
I posted this on eGriz about how it'll work, assuming Sac, UM, and Weebs all win:

1. All 1-1 against each other.
2. Idaho and UC Davis are the only common opponents all three teams played. Assuming Sac is still in it by beating UC Davis this week, all three teams are 2-0 against those two.
3. No common opponents here.
4. No common opponents here.
5. 81. Montana, 101. Weber, 102. Sac

If all three teams win this weekend, this is how the order will likely stay, which means the Griz win the autobid (not that it really matters when it comes to seeding).

I have no idea what will happen if all three of these schools lose this weekend, however. That will be a cluster if there ever was one.
I think Msu gets the auto bid even though losing head to head to sac State with their one win over a non-FCS opponent
I could be mistaken on my recalculation of the Sagarin rating in that situation



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Re: 2019 Polls

Post by Cataholic » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:47 pm

uofmman1122 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:06 pm
Montanabob wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:36 pm
From the mess in 2014:
2014 -TIE-BREAKER
When two or more Conference members are tied in the final Conference standings, the tie shall be broken for purposes of determining the NCAA FCS automatic bid only, and shall be determined on the following basis:
1. Head-to-head Competition
2.Record against common CONFERENCE opponents in descending order
3. Record against common NON-CONFERENCE opponents
4. Sagarin Rating
5. Coin Flip
I posted this on eGriz about how it'll work, assuming Sac, UM, and Weebs all win:

1. All 1-1 against each other.
2. Idaho and UC Davis are the only common opponents all three teams played. Assuming Sac is still in it by beating UC Davis this week, all three teams are 2-0 against those two.
3. No common opponents here.
4. No common opponents here.
5. 81. Montana, 101. Weber, 102. Sac

If all three teams win this weekend, this is how the order will likely stay, which means the Griz win the autobid (not that it really matters when it comes to seeding).

I have no idea what will happen if all three of these schools lose this weekend, however. That will be a cluster if there ever was one.

Edit: So here's what it would look like if Weber, Montana, MSU, Sac and EWU all finish 6-2:

1. Since all of the teams didn't play each other, I don't think this will work.
2. There are no common conference opponents that every team played.
3. Same as above.
4. There are no common non-conference opponents that every team played.
5. Sagarin Rankings, again. :lol:

If there is some weird business where they use head-to-head among these teams, despite all of the teams not playing each other, here's the order they finished among this group.
Sac State 3-1
Montana 2-2
MSU 1-1
Weber 1-1
EWU 0-2
Thanks for putting that together. Total craziness. Losses by Weber, Sac and UM would also raise hell with the Sagarin ratings! What a wild finish!



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Re: 2019 Polls

Post by uofmman1122 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:08 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:47 pm
uofmman1122 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:06 pm
Montanabob wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:36 pm
From the mess in 2014:
2014 -TIE-BREAKER
When two or more Conference members are tied in the final Conference standings, the tie shall be broken for purposes of determining the NCAA FCS automatic bid only, and shall be determined on the following basis:
1. Head-to-head Competition
2.Record against common CONFERENCE opponents in descending order
3. Record against common NON-CONFERENCE opponents
4. Sagarin Rating
5. Coin Flip
I posted this on eGriz about how it'll work, assuming Sac, UM, and Weebs all win:

1. All 1-1 against each other.
2. Idaho and UC Davis are the only common opponents all three teams played. Assuming Sac is still in it by beating UC Davis this week, all three teams are 2-0 against those two.
3. No common opponents here.
4. No common opponents here.
5. 81. Montana, 101. Weber, 102. Sac

If all three teams win this weekend, this is how the order will likely stay, which means the Griz win the autobid (not that it really matters when it comes to seeding).

I have no idea what will happen if all three of these schools lose this weekend, however. That will be a cluster if there ever was one.

Edit: So here's what it would look like if Weber, Montana, MSU, Sac and EWU all finish 6-2:

1. Since all of the teams didn't play each other, I don't think this will work.
2. There are no common conference opponents that every team played.
3. Same as above.
4. There are no common non-conference opponents that every team played.
5. Sagarin Rankings, again. :lol:

If there is some weird business where they use head-to-head among these teams, despite all of the teams not playing each other, here's the order they finished among this group.
Sac State 3-1
Montana 2-2
MSU 1-1
Weber 1-1
EWU 0-2
Thanks for putting that together. Total craziness. Losses by Weber, Sac and UM would also raise hell with the Sagarin ratings! What a wild finish!
Ultimately, I don't think it matters because I highly doubt WSU loses to ISU this weekend. They are a dumpster fire right now.



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