Bobcats eat their young!

m11m · Post by **m11m** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:41 pm

Just heard the cats blew Jeff Larson off last night. They told him they signed recruits from Hawaii, Washington & Portland (ALL OUT OF STATERS!) and didn't have any money for him now. This is after they offered him money at the home visit in December. That's good for the Griz! Maybe he'll decide to take their Grayshirt offer now. Kramer just keeps screwing the Montana boys. When are the Montana Boosters going to get it and start taking care of their own instead of letting the Cat Coaches chew them up and spit them out!

Post by **rtb** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:44 pm

m11m wrote:Just heard the cats blew Jeff Larson off last night. They told him they signed recruits from Hawaii, Washington & Portland (ALL OUT OF STATERS!) and didn't have any money for him now. This is after they offered him money at the home visit in December. That's good for the Griz! Maybe he'll decide to take their Grayshirt offer now. Kramer just keeps screwing the Montana boys. When are the Montana Boosters going to get it and start taking care of their own instead of letting the Cat Coaches chew them up and spit them out!

Just because you are from Montana and decent doesn't mean we should have to bend over backwards for you. If we can get better players out of state then that is what I want our coaches to do. College Football is a business whether you like it or not. I want the best 11 players on the field whether they are from Montana or California. We can't sit around waiting for each Montana kid to make up his mind and watch all the other players sign elsewhere. Larson had a great offer, he should have taken it, but since he didn't we have found talent elsewhere and now we can't afford to bring on another QB. If he were willing to sign as an athlete with a partial that would be awesome. My guess is he goes to Carroll and has success there.

Go Scats Go · Post by **Go Scats Go** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:50 pm

rtb wrote:
m11m wrote:Just heard the cats blew Jeff Larson off last night. They told him they signed recruits from Hawaii, Washington & Portland (ALL OUT OF STATERS!) and didn't have any money for him now. This is after they offered him money at the home visit in December. That's good for the Griz! Maybe he'll decide to take their Grayshirt offer now. Kramer just keeps screwing the Montana boys. When are the Montana Boosters going to get it and start taking care of their own instead of letting the Cat Coaches chew them up and spit them out!
Just because you are from Montana and decent doesn't mean we should have to bend over backwards for you. If we can get better players out of state then that is what I want our coaches to do. College Football is a business whether you like it or not. I want the best 11 players on the field whether they are from Montana or California. We can't sit around waiting for each Montana kid to make up his mind and watch all the other players sign elsewhere. Larson had a great offer, he should have taken it, but since he didn't we have found talent elsewhere and now we can't afford to bring on another QB. If he were willing to sign as an athlete with a partial that would be awesome. My guess is he goes to Carroll and has success there.

BOOSTERS= Money

If they are PISSED= NO MONEY

Good luck

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:51 pm

m11m wrote:Just heard the cats blew Jeff Larson off last night. They told him they signed recruits from Hawaii, Washington & Portland (ALL OUT OF STATERS!) and didn't have any money for him now. This is after they offered him money at the home visit in December. That's good for the Griz! Maybe he'll decide to take their Grayshirt offer now. Kramer just keeps screwing the Montana boys. When are the Montana Boosters going to get it and start taking care of their own instead of letting the Cat Coaches chew them up and spit them out!

Offers can be taken off the table at any time. He should have taken it while it was on the table. I would still love to see him play for the Cats, and receive his Chemical Engineering degree, as we are the only school in the state that offers his degree program.

I wonder who the QB from Portland is.....

Post by **rtb** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:54 pm

wbtfg wrote:Offers can be taken off the table at any time. He should have taken it while it was on the table. I would still love to see him play for the Cats, and receive his Chemical Engineering degree, as we are the only school in the state that offers his degree program.

I wonder who the QB from Portland is.....

I agree, the ChemE program is great, he should come here just for that reason, but I can't be angry at the coaches for pulling an offer that was sitting on the table for a LONG time. I am also wondering about the Portland QB, anyone know? Is it Fetzer that played WR last year but I think he was QB prior to last yer?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:06 pm

m11m wrote:Just heard the cats blew Jeff Larson off last night. They told him they signed recruits from Hawaii, Washington & Portland (ALL OUT OF STATERS!) and didn't have any money for him now. This is after they offered him money at the home visit in December. That's good for the Griz! Maybe he'll decide to take their Grayshirt offer now. Kramer just keeps screwing the Montana boys. When are the Montana Boosters going to get it and start taking care of their own instead of letting the Cat Coaches chew them up and spit them out!

Well, if the Griz weren't willing to offer him a real scholarship at all (as you note they offered him the nebulous "greyshirt"), then why are you suggesting that MSU did anything less than noble? Obviously, they actually offered MORE than UM did (again, per you), and he didn't take it when he had the chance.

Are you saying that MSU should be wasting money and blowing opportunities just to get "token" MT players without regard to their overall recruiting plan? Per what you've posted, it sounds like they went above and beyond the call of duty in trying to get him, but that it didn't work out. If he was deemed to be ranked high enough to command more, I assume both the Cat and the Griz would be offering more and holding out longer to assure getting him.

That being said, I hope the offer still stands for him to walk on, get a great education, and earn a football scholarship at MSU. You can never get too much quality talent on a team, but you certainly can run out of scholarships.

And if the primary concern of the boosters was to recruit only Montana kids, we would all be boosters for NAIA teams.

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:33 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
m11m wrote:Just heard the cats blew Jeff Larson off last night. They told him they signed recruits from Hawaii, Washington & Portland (ALL OUT OF STATERS!) and didn't have any money for him now. This is after they offered him money at the home visit in December. That's good for the Griz! Maybe he'll decide to take their Grayshirt offer now. Kramer just keeps screwing the Montana boys. When are the Montana Boosters going to get it and start taking care of their own instead of letting the Cat Coaches chew them up and spit them out!
Well, if the Griz weren't willing to offer him a real scholarship at all (as you note they offered him the nebulous "greyshirt"), then why are you suggesting that MSU did anything less than noble? Obviously, they actually offered MORE than UM did (again, per you), and he didn't take it when he had the chance.

Are you saying that MSU should be wasting money and blowing opportunities just to get "token" MT players without regard to their overall recruiting plan? Per what you've posted, it sounds like they went above and beyond the call of duty in trying to get him, but that it didn't work out. If he was deemed to be ranked high enough to command more, I assume both the Cat and the Griz would be offering more and holding out longer to assure getting him.

That being said, I hope the offer still stands for him to walk on, get a great education, and earn a football scholarship at MSU. You can never get too much quality talent on a team, but you certainly can run out of scholarships.

And if the primary concern of the boosters was to recruit only Montana kids, we would all be boosters for NAIA teams.

If we waited for every Montana player to sit and consider his options and holdout to the highest bidder we wouldn't be where we are today (right there with the UM). Since they seem to have gotten the most premier Montana players in the past we had to look elsewhere.

He who hesitates is lost (Jeff Larson). While it would be great to have him as an athlete on this Bobcat team...he has obviously (UM greyshirt, MSU partial originally) overestimated his present worth as a BSC player. If he wants to play in the BSC he should now walk on somewhere and prove himself! If he still wants to holdout...he might find it difficult to get any money from anyone!

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:41 pm

rtb wrote:
m11m wrote:Just heard the cats blew Jeff Larson off last night. They told him they signed recruits from Hawaii, Washington & Portland (ALL OUT OF STATERS!) and didn't have any money for him now. This is after they offered him money at the home visit in December. That's good for the Griz! Maybe he'll decide to take their Grayshirt offer now. Kramer just keeps screwing the Montana boys. When are the Montana Boosters going to get it and start taking care of their own instead of letting the Cat Coaches chew them up and spit them out!
Just because you are from Montana and decent doesn't mean we should have to bend over backwards for you. If we can get better players out of state then that is what I want our coaches to do. College Football is a business whether you like it or not. I want the best 11 players on the field whether they are from Montana or California. We can't sit around waiting for each Montana kid to make up his mind and watch all the other players sign elsewhere. Larson had a great offer, he should have taken it, but since he didn't we have found talent elsewhere and now we can't afford to bring on another QB. If he were willing to sign as an athlete with a partial that would be awesome. My guess is he goes to Carroll and has success there.

DITTO .. I wish him well. He may not just have been the fit for MSU who knows. He will do well wherever he ends up. If he was looking for Chemical Engineering degree I don't see why he passed up the offer in December then as MSU has a great CHEM E program.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:10 pm

Last month someone put up some info on Larson from a story in the Tribune. In it he said he was undecided about Basketball or Football as his future and wanted to wait until basketball was over to decide. IAA schools do not have the luxury of waiting that long. If they do they will miss on many opportunities by passing on someone else to hold an offer open. Bottom line is that Larson had an offer and did not make up his mind. This probably happens plenty of times as the recruiting battles are waged with offers to a couple recruits at the same position and whichever signs first gets it. Great job Bobcat coaches on offering a talented MONTANA kid. What he does with that is his decision.

m11m · Post by **m11m** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:44 pm

Larson wasn't sitting around to see who gave him the best offer. He was waiting to see exactly what MSU had decided to offer and from what I hear he would have taken it. They told him it would be partial, but maybe a full. They weren't in any hurry for him to make us his mind and told him they wanted to take it slow and would be back in touch. When you tell a kid you are going to offer him at least a partial, they should have at least offered him a partial. They just flat out lied to him. And just because an athlete is from out of state doesn't make him any better than a Montana athlete either. How can you tell how good they are until you give them a chance! Anyone out there being recruited by the Cats, don't believe a word they say! Larson will be successful wherever he decides to go and I wish him all the best. He was dealt a dirty deal from the Cats!

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:49 pm

m11m wrote:Larson wasn't sitting around to see who gave him the best offer. He was waiting to see exactly what MSU had decided to offer and from what I hear he would have taken it. They told him it would be partial, but maybe a full. They weren't in any hurry for him to make us his mind and told him they wanted to take it slow and would be back in touch. When you tell a kid you are going to offer him at least a partial, they should have at least offered him a partial. They just flat out lied to him. And just because an athlete is from out of state doesn't make him any better than a Montana athlete either. How can you tell how good they are until you give them a chance! Anyone out there being recruited by the Cats, don't believe a word they say! Larson will be successful wherever he decides to go and I wish him all the best. He was dealt a dirty deal from the Cats!

It sounds like you know Larson pretty well. If what you are saying really is the case, I would have him call up McEndoo or Kramer, and ask them what the deal is. I imagine there was some sort of miscommunication, as I really find it hard to believe that our coaching staff would flat out lie to a kid.

I'm sorry that Jeff thinks he gone the shaft, but it really sounds like some wires got crossed somewhere, and I think (if what you say is accurate) Jeff is entitled to an explaination from the big human himself.

m11m · Post by **m11m** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:57 pm

Yeh, I was pretty interested to see where he was going to go, and was hoping the Cats would get him. It's not going to make any difference now, the money is gone. It doesn't surprise me they would do this to him because from what I've heard, they've done this to other protential recruits from Montana. Too bad for the Cats!

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:01 pm

m11m wrote:Yeh, I was pretty interested to see where he was going to go, and was hoping the Cats would get him. It's not going to make any difference now, the money is gone. It doesn't surprise me they would do this to him because from what I've heard, they've done this to other protential recruits from Montana. Too bad for the Cats!

There is obviously two sides (actually 3 if you count the truth) to every story, and I have to say that I've heard a lot more good things about Kramer and his staff than bad. But I would still have him contact the coaching staff to see where the mix up occurred.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:06 pm

m11m wrote:Larson wasn't sitting around to see who gave him the best offer. He was waiting to see exactly what MSU had decided to offer and from what I hear he would have taken it. They told him it would be partial, but maybe a full. They weren't in any hurry for him to make us his mind and told him they wanted to take it slow and would be back in touch. When you tell a kid you are going to offer him at least a partial, they should have at least offered him a partial. They just flat out lied to him. And just because an athlete is from out of state doesn't make him any better than a Montana athlete either. How can you tell how good they are until you give them a chance! Anyone out there being recruited by the Cats, don't believe a word they say! Larson will be successful wherever he decides to go and I wish him all the best. He was dealt a dirty deal from the Cats!

I'm sure this is not the first time this has happened (for any school). Recruiting is a very busy time and I'm sure it is hard trying to figure out who you want/who is coming/how much scholarships you have left based on who has committed/thinking about committing etc. etc. If one kid says he wants to wait then that is fine, but if the coaches can get another kid that wants to commit on the spot that is just as good then he has to go that way. Otherwise there is a big chance the coach could lose out on other recruits. It is a big juggling game and unfortunately I'm sure some athletes end up feeling snubbed etc. I don't blame Larson for wanting to wait a little while as it is a big choice to choose a school I'm sure. I just wouldn't hold anything against MSU if it didn't work out and they went another way etc. Like it or not, college athletics is a business and the coach is held accounteable for the product he brings in. So they have to go with what is available in stone to them sometimes.

AZCAT21 · Post by **AZCAT21** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:23 pm

M11M-
Since MSU is an in state school they are obviously going to try to get the local kids to come for less because it typically isn't as easy to get an out of state kid to come for a partial and then earn more money. i don't know anything about Larsen but I would think that if he was all world that he would have received attractive enough offers to go to either UM or MSU. Not as many superb athletes sign in the spring, although there are some. Anyway just like McGillis we will see if this hurts the Cats if it does good for Larsen, but I think that this is more about the fact that the cats gave some type of offer then took it back and its too hard for you (him) to swollow that the Cats don't want him other than to walk on.

One last question....why wouldn't he want to come to the Cats reguardless of the offer? Sounds to me like he was playing the game and got burned....

rollo_tumasi · Post by **rollo_tumasi** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:27 pm

The situation may be similar to what the Cats told Mike Rider from West High. They told him they had some money for him, but only if another kid didn't sign with them. So he is left waiting, but of course he is taking his chances waiting, which may have happened to Larson also.

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:56 pm

Whether any of this is true or not I just hate how I always hear things like this about the Bobcat's, even before Kramer came.

THere were hundreds of stories like this in the Hysell era at least one I know is true.

SteelheadBum · Post by **SteelheadBum** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:09 pm

First, let me say I really want Larson on our team. He's a good athlete and excellent student. However, based on the "facts

" in the previous posts, Larson is honestly getting a real world education in business and diplomacy. Now I know why he is choosing Chem E

Let's see here, young Mr. Larson was offered a partial ride (maybe full) by MSU and a grey shirt offer from the griz but one "fan" thinks MSU screwed the kid ( I've got to get off this medical pot because I can't get that stoned to see (no pun) the logic) Then Mr. Larson wasn't "sitting around to see who gave hime the best offer...He was waiting to see exactly what MSU had decided to offer." The author of that posts claims to know Mr. Larson and goes on to say Mr. Larson would have taken an offer. (I think I'll take another toke. Oh, several beers with a hose and funnel too, please)

I'm trying but I just can't understand the logic being presented on Mr. Larson being screwed by MSU. I believe Coach K really wanted this kid but the first official visit didn't go so well probably due to unrealistic expectations, misunderstandings and miscommunications by both parties. Somewhere along the recruitng process, I'm sure Coach K offered him something and asked for a commitment by asking Mr. Larson to sign the paper. Mr. Larson (if the previous sentance is true) balked so Coach K walked because there is other gold to be mined.

Finally, how many Montana kids has MSU offered full rides to only to see them go play for the griz on a partial?? Also, do potential recruits across the nation hear all kinds of wild things from Head Coaches each year?? Yep, so call Coach K, take the offer Mr. Larson and stay the Champion you are and always be as a MSU BOBCAT. GO CATS!!

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:27 pm

This is why I love the internet...you can just make ****** up and *ask* folks to believe you.

Hear me now, or I'll crush you latah!

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:12 pm

Bleedinbluengold wrote:This is why I love the internet...you can just make ****** up and *ask* folks to believe you.

Hear me now, or I'll crush you latah!

Thanks! I was about to make a similar post that I wasn't buying into a thread with absolutely no substance.

BTW, I have it from a very reliable source that Reggie Bush will not not go for the NFL draft, but will drop down and play for the 'Cats this year as a walk on.

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