Ripping Off Jerseys

CATFAN4LIFE · Post by **CATFAN4LIFE** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:17 am

I was glad to see the Cats come back against NDSU tonight and thought they would pull the game out. What disturbed me was to see 3-4 players run off of the court right after the game was over ripping off their jerseys and not shaking the opposing players hands.....I would hope the coaching staff gets a handle on the few that decided it wasn't in the best of interest (I know it was a bitter loss) to stay on the court and show some true Bobcat Sportsmanship......Go Cats.....make the Big Sky and everybody Proud of who you are!

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:34 am

Has Mick lost control of this team?

2 players have already left the team this season.

Our most inept offensive player, the coaches kid, is taking the last second shots trying to decide games.

The best athlete in the conference is the quietest player in the conference.

The preseason favorite, last years second place team, returns 9 players from a year ago and wont finish .500 for the year.

old wise one · Post by **old wise one** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:31 am

I believe Mick has no clue, and no emotion. That was a poor performance last night, not to mention the pouting by Marvin for 35 minutes, and by Jefferson for about the first 30 minutes. I blame Mick.

I believe we try to run a set everytime in the half court. And it's not working. We are lazy and walk around, and I think that can be attributed to the scheme.

Notice how NDSU ran some motion offense, setting screens and finding open guys. When was the last time you saw us set a screen.

It is time for a change in MSU basketball leadership.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:50 am

I'll admit I'm not quite old enough to remember the team that invented the fast break--the 29 Golden Bobcats--but I've read enough of what they did and well remember our first team to make the NCAA tournament led by Damako, Hampton and the rest when they basically were in the same position we're in now although much later in the year when Starner completely lost control of those kids and they started running and gunning.

I can't fathom taking a bunch of thorobreds and using them as workhorses (gotta get that ag connection in somehow

e.g., using a bunch of guards we know can shoot and sticking them in a fatman's half court game

Is it that long ago we went to U Dub and put a real hurt on the Huskies? Thought it was only the 2002 season...Dang, if I wanted to watch all that back door crap, I'd watch Princeton...

bozbobcat · Post by **bozbobcat** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:56 am

In the "does a bear s**t in the woods" statement of the day, this team has sorely underachieved so far. I've tried to be positive this year by saying they'll pick it up at some point in time. I have some doubts now. Maybe they'll catch lightning in a bottle at some point, but I hope it won't be too late. But if they're not showing good sportsmanship at the end of a game, that's not good. I didn't think it was very great even after the Portland game when the team piled on Casey instead of shaking hands with the other team. Sometimes you just need to tip your cap, suck it up, and shake your opponent's hand after a game. I think MSU-NDSU can be a good rivalry, but a lack of sportmanship can kill any good rivalry and turn it into a bitter, angry one. This team needs to look at what they can do, what they have done to this point, and suck it up and play like they're capable of playing.

spider · Post by **spider** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:58 am

What I noticed last night was a lack of effort. It seemed like the team was in a daze for most of the game. I don't know the reason, but Durham needs to get them more motivated to play. I read somewhere that NDSU has the youngest team in the nation.......and they outplayed our seniors. I was very disappointed in the effort.

Swilly3224 · Post by **Swilly3224** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:27 pm

What is wrong with taking your jersey off at the end of a close game? so they didnt shake the opponents hands??? BIG DEAL!!! I think you are just digging too deeply to find stuff wrong with your team. It is hard to lose those close game and the kinda season the cats are having, I would be frusterated as well. They needed to get their anger out and running off the court is not that bad of an idea. Wouldnt want a riot to break out would we?

ESGGCG · Post by **ESGGCG** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:27 pm

Swilly3224 wrote:What is wrong with taking your jersey off at the end of a close game? so they didnt shake the opponents hands??? BIG DEAL!!! I think you are just digging too deeply to find stuff wrong with your team. It is hard to lose those close game and the kinda season the cats are having, I would be frusterated as well. They needed to get their anger out and running off the court is not that bad of an idea. Wouldnt want a riot to break out would we? :wink:

You know, it is a big deal.... MSU has prided itself in the past with teams that have good sportsmanship and classy programs. It is not appropriate to not shake hands at the end of the game, and I personally thought that the taking off of jerseys on the floor, and the pouting was an embarrassment. We need to win with class, and lose with class. If the coaching staff does not find a way to motivate these athletes into players who can play together, then they will have a lot more practice losing. Hopefully they can pull it together, act like a BOBCAT team with class, and get on to winning ways.

CATFAN4LIFE · Post by **CATFAN4LIFE** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:10 pm

Swilly3224 wrote:What is wrong with taking your jersey off at the end of a close game? so they didnt shake the opponents hands??? BIG DEAL!!! I think you are just digging too deeply to find stuff wrong with your team. It is hard to lose those close game and the kinda season the cats are having, I would be frusterated as well. They needed to get their anger out and running off the court is not that bad of an idea. Wouldnt want a riot to break out would we?

Swilly....no I wasn't digging deeply to find out what is wrong with the team....Sure every Cat fan wishes they had won the game and they did have quite a good comeback down the stretch....the bottom line is 3 or 4 decided it wasn't in the best interest to shake the other teams hands and yes it is very much POOR SPORTSMANSHIP to do so. Don't you expect that from your Griz after the game win or lose?

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:28 pm

It's only good sportsmanship to shake hands with the opposing team win or lose, but even more important to show good sportsmanship when you are hosting a tournament. Having served on the tournament committee for several years I know it can be hard to get teams for the Holiday Tournie, and if word gets out the host team is a bunch of dickheads it'll just make it harder to get teams in the future.

whitetrashgriz · Post by **whitetrashgriz** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:33 pm

Swilly3224 wrote:What is wrong with taking your jersey off at the end of a close game? so they didnt shake the opponents hands??? BIG DEAL!!! I think you are just digging too deeply to find stuff wrong with your team. It is hard to lose those close game and the kinda season the cats are having, I would be frusterated as well. They needed to get their anger out and running off the court is not that bad of an idea. Wouldnt want a riot to break out would we?

wow, 2 of swillys posts in a row that i have agreed with! i think this is getting a little petty now. do you think that ndsu players, coaches and fans care that a few guys left the floor without a handshake? not a chance. they we too busy celebrating. and if we really want to get into this, there were 3 of their players that walked right off the court after the game. it happens every game. it happened on caseys buzzer-beater and i didn't hear any whining about it. and i promise that if we are having a hard time getting teams to this tourney, it has nothing to do with some players not saying "good game". and if it really is poor sportmanship, then we are dealing with it in every sport. baseball players must be the worst sports, and biggest "dickheads" as it was put, because they never even go near the opposing team after a game. i've become used to some of the whiny fans on this board. and have even come to accept some of it while i don't agree with what is said. but this is a stretch, and another pretty weak attempt of making mick and our team worse players, and PEOPLE, then they really are.

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:36 pm

whitetrashgriz wrote:
Swilly3224 wrote:What is wrong with taking your jersey off at the end of a close game? so they didnt shake the opponents hands??? BIG DEAL!!! I think you are just digging too deeply to find stuff wrong with your team. It is hard to lose those close game and the kinda season the cats are having, I would be frusterated as well. They needed to get their anger out and running off the court is not that bad of an idea. Wouldnt want a riot to break out would we?
wow, 2 of swillys posts in a row that i have agreed with! i think this is getting a little petty now. do you think that ndsu players, coaches and fans care that a few guys left the floor without a handshake? not a chance. they we too busy celebrating. and if we really want to get into this, there were 3 of their players that walked right off the court after the game. it happens every game. it happened on caseys buzzer-beater and i didn't hear any whining about it. and i promise that if we are having a hard time getting teams to this tourney, it has nothing to do with some players not saying "good game". and if it really is poor sportmanship, then we are dealing with it in every sport. baseball players must be the worst sports, and biggest "dickheads" as it was put, because they never even go near the opposing team after a game. i've become used to some of the whiny fans on this board. and have even come to accept some of it while i don't agree with what is said. but this is a stretch, and another pretty weak attempt of making mick and our team worse players, and PEOPLE, then they really are.

Could be worse. They could just not give a damn.

AZCAT21 · Post by **AZCAT21** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:50 pm

Being a former player I think that is poor on the bobcats part. I can remember watching the cats at home in the 2002 conference tourney after losing to the Griz on a buzzer beater dunk, our team still went over and shook our arch enemy's hands. I gaurentee that loss was a million times harder for those players then last nights, holiday tourney loss to NDSU. But then again thinking about our 02 team and this one, there isn't a lot of comparison other than Mick coached them both.

Time to restore some pride, confidence, respect, and TEAM into our team. This year's team doesn't seem to have any of that. Does our team respect each other? I doubt it, if they did they would play more together. Do we look confident out on the court? Not really, hardly see any emotion from any players, if they were more emotional I gaurentee we would be more into the games. Finally, we need to go out and take some pride in who we are representing, MSU. Its disgusting to me to be a former player when I know this team has potential, but until they start playing with these concepts we will be the sh$ts

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:56 pm

AZCAT21 wrote:Being a former player I think that is poor on the bobcats part. I can remember watching the cats at home in the 2002 conference tourney after losing to the Griz on a buzzer beater dunk, our team still went over and shook our arch enemy's hands. I gaurentee that loss was a million times harder for those players then last nights, holiday tourney loss to NDSU. But then again thinking about our 02 team and this one, there isn't a lot of comparison other than Mick coached them both.

Time to restore some pride, confidence, respect, and TEAM into our team. This year's team doesn't seem to have any of that. Does our team respect each other? I doubt it, if they did they would play more together. Do we look confident out on the court? Not really, hardly see any emotion from any players, if they were more emotional I gaurentee we would be more into the games. Finally, we need to go out and take some pride in who we are representing, MSU. Its disgusting to me to be a former player when I know this team has potential, but until they start playing with these concepts we will be the sh$ts

bozbobcat · Post by **bozbobcat** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:22 pm

Great point, AZcat. I don't know what's going on with this team's psyche. They don't seem particularly close to one another and maybe something will click soon. But if the 2002 team could shake hands with the Grizzlies after a game that killed hopes for a trip to the NCAA tournament (which I have tried to repress, thanks a lot for bringing it up again!

Of course, I'm only kidding.) then the 2005 Bobcats can shake the hands of the North Dakota State Bison in a non-conference game.

Swilly3224 · Post by **Swilly3224** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:21 am

whitetrashgriz wrote:
Swilly3224 wrote:What is wrong with taking your jersey off at the end of a close game? so they didnt shake the opponents hands??? BIG DEAL!!! I think you are just digging too deeply to find stuff wrong with your team. It is hard to lose those close game and the kinda season the cats are having, I would be frusterated as well. They needed to get their anger out and running off the court is not that bad of an idea. Wouldnt want a riot to break out would we?
wow, 2 of swillys posts in a row that i have agreed with! i think this is getting a little petty now. do you think that ndsu players, coaches and fans care that a few guys left the floor without a handshake? not a chance. they we too busy celebrating. and if we really want to get into this, there were 3 of their players that walked right off the court after the game. it happens every game. it happened on caseys buzzer-beater and i didn't hear any whining about it. and i promise that if we are having a hard time getting teams to this tourney, it has nothing to do with some players not saying "good game". and if it really is poor sportmanship, then we are dealing with it in every sport. baseball players must be the worst sports, and biggest "dickheads" as it was put, because they never even go near the opposing team after a game. i've become used to some of the whiny fans on this board. and have even come to accept some of it while i don't agree with what is said. but this is a stretch, and another pretty weak attempt of making mick and our team worse players, and PEOPLE, then they really are.

Exactly, If I just won a close game as such on the road, am I really going to give one fucc if 3 of the other players dont shake my hand?? O no they took off their shirts!!! THAT IS SO CLASSLESS!!! please....I understand that MSU wants to be classy as possible and all that but 3 people not shaking hands? and taking off their shirts? they were probably hot and sticky having just played a hard game

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:51 pm

old wise one wrote:I believe Mick has no clue, and no emotion. That was a poor performance last night, not to mention the pouting by Marvin for 35 minutes, and by Jefferson for about the first 30 minutes. I blame Mick.

I believe we try to run a set everytime in the half court. And it's not working. We are lazy and walk around, and I think that can be attributed to the scheme.

Notice how NDSU ran some motion offense, setting screens and finding open guys. When was the last time you saw us set a screen.

It is time for a change in MSU basketball leadership.

I have agreed with you on most of your points, but strongly disagree with you on this one. Mick has been more vocal and emotional in this season than in any previous season. In the DU game, he was absolutly reaming his players on their lackluster play. He was downright furious with some of them. After last nights game against SJSU, he was very upset. He was glad we won the game and came back (again), but very disappointed in his teams effort. He said that we never really got into a good offensive rhythm, and that at the end (and I quote) "Nobody wanted the damn ball" when we were inbounding with seconds left in the game, i.e, noone wanted to shoot the freethrows. He said he realized they played on less than a days rest, but that is still no excuse for how poorly they played (outrebounded, shot 38% from the floor). He also said that with 10 minutes left in the game, he gave the game to them, saying that they weren't running the set plays he was calling out. When the players aren't following the coach, something is wrong, and I beleive it is mostly the players, not the scheme.

He also said on the Sports Nuts that when the guys came back from Christmas break, they were terrible in practice, like they had forgotten how to play, and it showed in these games. I agree with you that the guys are lazy, but that is their own fault. If they can't get up to play the game, no one will do it for them. I would say most of the blame lays squarley on the shoulders of the players. They are underacheiving: making lazy passes, not screening correctly, not moving their feet. You said it yourself, pouting my Marvin. He is a good player, but his attitude sucks. He looks mad at the world most of the time. These guys need an attitude adjustment (with the exception of Al Beye), and Mick can't do it for them.

They need to seriously look at themselves and figure out what is wrong, because this type of play will not get it done in conference this year, it is too strong.

To be honest, I have not been very impressed with mick this year, but what he said last night after the game was totally true. It is time for a change in MSU basketball ATTITUDE.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:53 pm

Hey its just like a business. They are getting their college paid for in order to play basketball. If they do not want to put out the effort then let them pay for their own college expenses just like the majority of students out their. Maybe that will get their attention a little bit. Spread the scholorship money around and get players out their that have the desire to play.

bozbobcat · Post by **bozbobcat** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:19 pm

To both of the guys above:

I can't agree more. Mick has been a lot angrier on the sideline this year than in any year past and I've noticed that he's just screaming at players more than ever. These guys aren't playing hard. I liked the quote about the business/school comparison. I'd like some of that money that they get and I've said that very vocally before now. Don't mistake that for lack of support of the team, I'm Bobcat through and through. But I think an attitude adjustment is necessary for a lot of the players. They need to take Al's approach and have a little fun and play hard. I thought getting rid of Branden Miller and Ryan Holmes would help as they may have had the worst attitudes on the team, but so far, it hasn't helped. I bet practice will be brutal for the next few days as Mick is probably at wit's end with this group. I expect to see a nearly different team against South Dakota St. on Monday.

CatfaninGA · Post by **CatfaninGA** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 1:53 am

Not shaking hands after the game sounds to me like Durham has lost control of the team, piss poor sportmaship if you ask win win or L.