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I have neen reading on this site for the past few weeks, why we all think the CATS deserve to be in the playoffs this season in the event of a three way tie. I for one am with the majority. But I am wondering if Peter Fields is good at bargaining, and will fight to his grave for his team to get in like some of us will. Is he ready? Does he have all the stats and info that some of the BN poster have. Because I have heard a lot of really good points and stats on this site that he should have at his disposal when he goes to plead our case for a playoff birth.



GO CATS! FTG!

Believe me, Peter knows how to do his job.

On the Bobcat coaches show on Sunday, our head football coach said so much as there is no way this team gets in and that he is looking forward to going hunting next weekend.

Sound like a guy who is fighting to get his team into the playoffs?

I heard that same quote and it pissed me off.

As much as I'd like to see both Montana team's in the playoff's, it's just not happening. If any 7-4 team gets in, it will be EWU and that will be the auto bid, providing the Griz lose.

Sorry, there's a 100% chance that the Cats have Thanksgiving weekend for turkey and hunting.

Cat-theotherwhitemeat wrote:As much as I'd like to see both Montana team's in the playoff's, it's just not happening. If any 7-4 team gets in, it will be EWU and that will be the auto bid, providing the Griz lose.

Sorry, there's a 100% chance that the Cats have Thanksgiving weekend for turkey and hunting.

First off, we would be 7-3 due to the I-A loss not counting. Secondly (and yes it takes help in losses to a few different teams) we are mathematically very much in the playoff picture.

Second, Kramer is choosing to concentrate on the Cat/Griz game vs the what ifs for the playoffs. That to me is a good decision. Have you ever noticed that there is misdirection given by college coaches in media interviews? Example: on Tuesday morning Kris Atteberry asked him about the injury situation for the team. His answer? He said he was disappointed that he'd gained a pound and a half from last week, McEndoo was feeling good, Pete might need glasses since he recently turned 40, etc.

Get my drift?

I'm pretty sure that I-A games 'count' for the selection committee. I think they do not 'count' D-II wins for the playoff goal of seven wins, but that does not mean that losses to I-A teams don't count.

Sportin' Life wrote:I'm pretty sure that I-A games 'count' for the selection committee. I think they do not 'count' D-II wins for the playoff goal of seven wins, but that does not mean that losses to I-A teams don't count.

I'll see if I can find what I read earlier in the year regarding this.

barechestcat wrote:

Cat-theotherwhitemeat wrote:As much as I'd like to see both Montana team's in the playoff's, it's just not happening. If any 7-4 team gets in, it will be EWU and that will be the auto bid, providing the Griz lose.

Sorry, there's a 100% chance that the Cats have Thanksgiving weekend for turkey and hunting.

First off, we would be 7-3 due to the I-A loss not counting. Secondly (and yes it takes help in losses to a few different teams) we are mathematically very much in the playoff picture.

Second, Kramer is choosing to concentrate on the Cat/Griz game vs the what ifs for the playoffs. That to me is a good decision. Have you ever noticed that there is misdirection given by college coaches in media interviews? Example: on Tuesday morning Kris Atteberry asked him about the injury situation for the team. His answer? He said he was disappointed that he'd gained a pound and a half from last week, McEndoo was feeling good, Pete might need glasses since he recently turned 40, etc.

Get my drift?

I get your drift, but you're living in a dream world if you think there is any chance. Look at all the scenario's and you'll understand why Kramer knows he'll be hunting come Thanksgiving weekend. I'm not trying to be a d!ck, but it's just not possible for the Cats to get in. Even if they win this weekend, EWU gets in, the Griz get in. Are you saying the Big Sky gets a third team with a 7-4 record (yes, the lose to the I-A team counts). Sorry man.

I think there is some strange language about teams that don't play div II or NAIA games will be given more consideration, but I don't know what that means, and I don't know if they ever really use that as a guideline.

Really they oughta just come out and say that financial bids and regional bias are also under consideration.

Sportin' Life wrote:
Really they oughta just come out and say that financial bids and regional bias are also under consideration.

I think that line is really sad but also really true.

This Saturday we can beat the griz by 50 and Davis beat EWU and it makes no difference. We are done Saturday...unless there is suddenly a 1AA football NIT.
I hate "ifs" and 'buts"....but, this year comes down to one touchdown. One more in Stillwater or one more in Portland and our whole world of possibilities changes. Hope the OSU game balances our budget!
Go Cats, beat the griz! I actually feel the Cats are coming out pi$$ed off this week and will horrible to contend with.

MSUCATFAN wrote:I have neen reading on this site for the past few weeks, why we all think the CATS deserve to be in the playoffs this season in the event of a three way tie. I for one am with the majority. But I am wondering if Peter Fields is good at bargaining, and will fight to his grave for his team to get in like some of us will. Is he ready? Does he have all the stats and info that some of the BN poster have. Because I have heard a lot of really good points and stats on this site that he should have at his disposal when he goes to plead our case for a playoff birth.

What does Fields have to do with getting MSU into the playoffs? As I understood it, the guy from PSU is now the sole BSC rep on the selection comm with the Sac State guy also on the advisory comm.

catsblow wrote:

MSUCATFAN wrote:I have neen reading on this site for the past few weeks, why we all think the CATS deserve to be in the playoffs this season in the event of a three way tie. I for one am with the majority. But I am wondering if Peter Fields is good at bargaining, and will fight to his grave for his team to get in like some of us will. Is he ready? Does he have all the stats and info that some of the BN poster have. Because I have heard a lot of really good points and stats on this site that he should have at his disposal when he goes to plead our case for a playoff birth.

What does Fields have to do with getting MSU into the playoffs? As I understood it, the guy from PSU is now the sole BSC rep on the selection comm with the Sac State guy also on the advisory comm.

Where did you hear that? It's been talked all year that fields is on the selection committee. Someone is wrong. I'm not sure how much it matters anyway due to Fields not able to even be in the room if the discussion of MSU comes up during selection Sunday.

cat-the-other-white-meat,
I realize what you are saying about odds and what should happen. But, based on that, the Cat/Griz game shouldn't even be played then due to the Griz being #3 and the 'Cats #21; shouldn't they win? Crazy things happen sometimes in sports and that's why you play the game. And, in this case, that's why I'm not giving up on a playoff possibility until it's been ruled out definitively which is not the case at this time.

I've looked all over, and I cannot find anywhere that it states that losses to I-A teams do not count. There is preference giving to teams that play an all D-I schedule, but I don't think it will be enough to get the Cats in. And everyone in the know (e.g. I-AA.org, Sportsnetwork, Kramer etc) seems to agree.

Also, even if the "losses to DI-A teams don't count" rumor is true, it's a complete red herring. By that same logic, EWU and UM (and about 48 other schools -- I believe I-AA teams played 52 games against I-A teams this year) would have one less loss also. Hell, App State would have 2 less. If you're going to use that logic, you'd have to deduct those games from everyone's schedule. Bottom line, your losses to SFA and Poly killed you.

I thought we beat SFA 42-0 I don't think that will Kill us.

GrizinWashington wrote:I've looked all over, and I cannot find anywhere that it states that losses to I-A teams do not count. There is preference giving to teams that play an all D-I schedule, but I don't think it will be enough to get the Cats in. And everyone in the know (e.g. I-AA.org, Sportsnetwork, Kramer etc) seems to agree.

Also, even if the "losses to DI-A teams don't count" rumor is true, it's a complete red herring. By that same logic, EWU and UM (and about 48 other schools -- I believe I-AA teams played 52 games against I-A teams this year) would have one less loss also. Hell, App State would have 2 less. If you're going to use that logic, you'd have to deduct those games from everyone's schedule. Bottom line, your losses to SFA and Poly killed you.

We didn't lose to SFA

Actually our losses were to Oklahoma St., Cal Poly, Port. St, and EWU not SFA. In fact we throttled SFA. By the way, if any of the following lose: South. Illinois, Umass, Cal Poly, Richmond, and Nicholls State they will have the same record as the CATS (7-4 pending a cat win). Their losses will hurt them in GPI and if the CATS win they will most likely move into the top 12 in GPI by beating the GPI #1 Griz. So I wouldn't go as far as saying the Cats have no shot at making the playoff.

The selection people will have to keep in mind the BSC is the toughest in all of 1-AA, therefor I don't see them taking 4 from say the Gateway and only 2 from the BSC. I am a firm believer that the best 16 should be playing, not the top ten and then some other teams because they beat a bunch of D-2 teams.

The Cats do need help from teams like NDSU, William & Mary, Hofstra, Idaho St., and McNeese St.

If the cats do happen to upset the griz and a couple of the teams above pull off wins. Tune into the selection show Sunday morning it could get interesting.

SH!T HAPPENS!!!

thuss wrote:Actually our losses were to Oklahoma St., Cal Poly, Port. St, and EWU not SFA. In fact we throttled SFA. By the way, if any of the following lose: South. Illinois, Umass, Cal Poly, Richmond, and Nicholls State they will have the same record as the CATS (7-4 pending a cat win). Their losses will hurt them in GPI and if the CATS win they will most likely move into the top 12 in GPI by beating the GPI #1 Griz. So I wouldn't go as far as saying the Cats have no shot at making the playoff.

The selection people will have to keep in mind the BSC is the toughest in all of 1-AA, therefor I don't see them taking 4 from say the Gateway and only 2 from the BSC. I am a firm believer that the best 16 should be playing, not the top ten and then some other teams because they beat a bunch of D-2 teams.

The Cats do need help from teams like NDSU, William & Mary, Hofstra, Idaho St., and McNeese St.

If the cats do happen to upset the griz and a couple of the teams above pull off wins. Tune into the selection show Sunday morning it could get interesting.

SH!T HAPPENS!!!

Thuss I think you are crazy for thinking the Cats have a legitimate chance but I admire your hopefulness. If it was the Griz I would be hoping against hope like you are.

If the CATS and the griz flip-flopped positions this weekend, and the griz needed to beat us to "have a chance", I would put money on the griz getting in. I would bet that the BSC would 3 teams if that was the scenario!

Helcat72 wrote:

GrizinWashington wrote:I've looked all over, and I cannot find anywhere that it states that losses to I-A teams do not count. There is preference giving to teams that play an all D-I schedule, but I don't think it will be enough to get the Cats in. And everyone in the know (e.g. I-AA.org, Sportsnetwork, Kramer etc) seems to agree.

Also, even if the "losses to DI-A teams don't count" rumor is true, it's a complete red herring. By that same logic, EWU and UM (and about 48 other schools -- I believe I-AA teams played 52 games against I-A teams this year) would have one less loss also. Hell, App State would have 2 less. If you're going to use that logic, you'd have to deduct those games from everyone's schedule. Bottom line, your losses to SFA and Poly killed you.

We didn't lose to SFA

My bad! Not sure what I was smoking when I typed that, but I wish I had enjoyed it more.