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CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:48 pm

EWU!

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http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.as ... apoint.htm

bozbobcat · Post by **bozbobcat** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:27 pm

He only has 1 Big Sky playoff team. With MSU at #9, that's an at-large in my book. This guy doesn't seem to like the Bobcats!

19CAT · Post by **19CAT** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:28 pm

Best news I have read all day!! "I just love it when a plan comes together." Hannibal from the A-Team...

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:29 pm

sent him an e-mail expressing my thoughts and asking him to further prove his point as to why just one BSC team in the playoffs

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:36 pm

The committee has historically snubbed 7-4 teams for at-large bids, regardless of how strong the schedules were. That's just how it has always been...if you want to get into the playoffs as an at-large, you had better have no more than 3 losses. I assume this is what Daugherty is basing his predictions on; we'll have to see if anything changes with these new selection criteria in place. It does seem pretty unfair that the top-rated conference would only get 1 team...then again, that would be no more unfair than CP getting left out last year. Someone gets screwed every year...

Also, nice to hear he picked EWU.

Shakermaker · Post by **Shakermaker** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:43 am

bozbobcat wrote:He only has 1 Big Sky playoff team. With MSU at #9, that's an at-large in my book. This guy doesn't seem to like the Bobcats!

Who does? Jokes... calm down, have some sheep.

Anyhow, no, I don't think he is giving MSU the respect they deserve. Even more so, for the supposed #1 conferance in the country... only one team to get in... puhlllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaassssssssssseeeee!

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:07 am

I love it when he says Montana is the only one that took care of business from the Big Sky against Cal Poly. Well I think they were the only one's that actually got to play them at home. When UM has to play Cal Poly there they CANCEL .... ewwwwww . too hard of a game.

catsrback76 · Post by **catsrback76** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:30 am

CelticCat wrote:EWU!

$\:D/$ $\:D/$ $\:D/$ $\:D/$

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.as ... apoint.htm

If this dude is right--who knows-- the only way to get into the Post Season is to WIN in.
I like that better than getting an at large anyway. If/when we win the conference we will be locked and loaded for bear (after having bagged one already). We will go farther and deeper with the next 2 wins under our belts than waiting for a vote from some committee that weighs things through rose colored glasses and $$$ and politics.

Lets break into the room with guns drawn and take all the chips...

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:12 am

Well by using Dougherty's logic it is easy to see why he does not think MSU will make the playoffs. He picks EWU and UM to win this week, which eliminates MSU from getting the autobid. I will assume he expects UM to beat the Cats, which would lead to only 1 team in the playoffs. If MSU loses to EWU and beats UM, and UM beats Sac, EWU will get the autobid, UM will be chosen at 8-3 over a 7-4 MSU. I highly doubt a 7-4 team will get in as a third from the Big Sky. This post does not necessarily reflect my position, just spelling out the opinion of Matt Doughert

DriftCat · Post by **DriftCat** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:54 am

grizindahouse wrote:Well by using Dougherty's logic it is easy to see why he does not think MSU will make the playoffs. He picks EWU and UM to win this week, which eliminates MSU from getting the autobid. I will assume he expects UM to beat the Cats, which would lead to only 1 team in the playoffs. If MSU loses to EWU and beats UM, and UM beats Sac, EWU will get the autobid, UM will be chosen at 8-3 over a 7-4 MSU. I highly doubt a 7-4 team will get in as a third from the Big Sky. This post does not necessarily reflect my position, just spelling out the opinion of Matt Doughert

You may be right on this one.......but I dont see how the commitee would justify it with UM at 8-3 and MSU at 7-4 when not only did we beat the Griz, but we played all DI teams and one of UM's wins was against a DII. I know money talks but I just think that they would have a hard time selling that one. Im not saying that UM would not get in, but with that scenario, I think they would have to let MSU in as well (especially with how the BSC rates.)

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:09 pm

MM7, you are just using Montana as your basis to get in, butif you assume Montana is in, then MSU is no longer comparing with them, but every other 3 and 4 loss team.

DriftCat · Post by **DriftCat** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:13 pm

grizindahouse wrote:MM7, you are just using Montana as your basis to get in, butif you assume Montana is in, then MSU is no longer comparing with them, but every other 3 and 4 loss team.

How could they no longer be comparing them? If the griz are in and we have beat the griz AND had a much tougher schedule with less home games and playing all DI teams. They would have a tough time keeping the Cats out. They all I am saying. Im pretty sure that our schedule and the conference we play in would get us some looks over most other 3-4 loss teams.

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:34 pm

MM, so throw out the Fort Lewis game, the Griz in you scenario would be 7-3 vs D1 while MSU is 7-4. And I do not see where the Cats schedule was so much more difficult than the Griz schedule. Montana's SOS by Sagarin is 123 for D1, the Cat's SOS by Sagarin is 141 this week. What it comes down to in this situation is Montana can cough up big $$$, so MSU would be compared to other 3 and 4 lose teams for spots. Look at Illinois St, they could end up 7-4, played an all D1 schedule, and beat possible playoff participants Southern Illinois 61-35 and Northern Iowa 38-3. Just saying that MSU should get in becuase they beat Montana is not much of an arguement.

DriftCat · Post by **DriftCat** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:41 pm

How can you throw out the Ft. Lewis game. If we had played them (or any other high school team) at home intead of CP on the road we would be in the same postion as the griz are as far as our record goes.

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:43 pm

MM7, I threw out Fort Lewis just to compare record vs D1 teams. And for saying that if the Cats did this or the Griz did that is irrelevant, they both played the schedule they were dealt. Am I saying that most people were happy they played Fort Lewis, no. The schedule is what it is, but in the scenario, using D1 games, the Griz would be 7-3 and the Cats 7-4.

profisme · Post by **profisme** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:24 pm

Griz, I will agree for the most part. MSU did play a bit tougher schedule than UM though. The statement about playing who you are dealt is a but skewed. MSU is playing straight up and the Griz were able to make a discard and were given a draw (Fort Lewis), to use poker terms. It is a well known fact that UM gets rid of one home game by paying their opponent off and then schedules an extra home game every year.

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:36 pm

Profisme, all I am trying to say is that if the Cats end up 7-4 even with a victory over Montana, it will be an uphill battle to get into the playoffs. The arguement that they beat Montana is weak, as there are other 4 loss teams around the country that can use the same, of similar arguements. And it is not a sure thing that the Big Sky gets two teams in the playoffs if only one has 3 or fewer losses. Being a Griz fan, I know that the EWU/MSU game is important for both those schools, but the Griz need to take care of business at Sac, and hope for a better performance than last week, becuase I do not want the playoff hopes of Montana hinging on a win in Bozeman if they trip in Sac.

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:55 pm

Are you kidding me?!!>!?? He has Youngstown going if they win this weekend at 8-3. YSU has wins over Slippery Rock (5-5) from Div II, Liberty (1-8) from the non-auto conf. Big South, and Northeastern (1-8) from the A-10. YSU plays in the Gateway not a bad conf., but clearly not as good as the Big Sky. He obviously hasn't done much research. If YSU goes at 8-3 and MSU stays home at 7-4, the I-AA is a sham.

CatFamily · Post by **CatFamily** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:12 pm

1AAfan... totally agree... why don't you send your thoughts to Dougherty and let him know.... you are right on.

grizbeer · Post by **grizbeer** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:28 pm

MM7CAT wrote: If the griz are in and we have beat the griz AND had a much tougher schedule with less home games and playing all DI teams.

profisme wrote:It is a well known fact that UM gets rid of one home game by paying their opponent off and then schedules an extra home game every year.

Both teams played 6 home games this year.

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