Be honest

[Born2BaGriz]

Ok, folks if you go to egriz, you'll see that I made an objective post over their regarding our spoiled fans. So now I asking you to be objective in how you see the final games for you guys.

I don't think you'll have any problems with NAU or Sac, so I think you will get a winning season this year. However, in the games that I have watched I see big problems for you guys with EWU. While Lulay has of way of working magic I can't see that your D can make the needed improvements to hold back the EWU O. In addition, while you have some good O lineman, as a group I think you have one of the weaker O Lines in the Big Sky. I have no doubts you will score against the Eagles, I just think your lack of ability to effectively run the ball will give EWU far too many chances to score and they win the shootout!

As far as the Griz go, we need to prevent a letdown and lose to PSU. I would be surprised if their defense stops the Griz at all, and I think we can do an adequate job of stopping their rushing attack. The big plus is that we have them at home.

My big concern is the Brawl. I have nothing for respect for Travis and his ability to put you in position to win almost every game. Our only hope, and I think we can do it, is to apply lots of pressure to Lulay. I also think that Lex needs to have a huge day and keep Travis off the field. If Travis has time, he can and will pick us apart. My concerns are having a RS Freshman QB playing in his first game in your house, weather, and our mounting injury problems. I can't help but think that going into this game the Griz are 8-2 and the Cats are 7-3 with the potential of being the spoiler and handing EWU the outright title. I hope you can tell this is not meant to smack. The bottom line is that we all have desires for how we would like the seasons to finish, but it can be vastly different from reality. We could both end up 8-3, and I hate to say it but I think if two teams are picked, the Griz would get the nod over the Cats regardless.

Ok, lets hear what you have to say?

[PDXKat]

Ok, folks if you go to egriz, you'll see that I made an objective post over their regarding our spoiled fans. So now I asking you to be objective in how you see the final games for you guys.

I don't think you'll have any problems with NAU or Sac, so I think you will get a winning season this year. However, in the games that I have watched I see big problems for you guys with EWU. While Lulay has of way of working magic I can't see that your D can make the needed improvements to hold back the EWU O. In addition, while you have some good O lineman, as a group I think you have one of the weaker O Lines in the Big Sky. I have no doubts you will score against the Eagles, I just think your lack of ability to effectively run the ball will give EWU far too many chances to score and they win the shootout!

As far as the Griz go, we need to prevent a letdown and lose to PSU. I would be surprised if their defense stops the Griz at all, and I think we can do an adequate job of stopping their rushing attack. The big plus is that we have them at home.

My big concern is the Brawl. I have nothing for respect for Travis and his ability to put you in position to win almost every game. Our only hope, and I think we can do it, is to apply lots of pressure to Lulay. I also think that Lex needs to have a huge day and keep Travis off the field. If Travis has time, he can and will pick us apart. My concerns are having a RS Freshman QB playing in his first game in your house, weather, and our mounting injury problems. I can't help but think that going into this game the Griz are 8-2 and the Cats are 7-3 with the potential of being the spoiler and handing EWU the outright title. I hope you can tell this is not meant to smack. The bottom line is that we all have desires for how we would like the seasons to finish, but it can be vastly different from reality. We could both end up 8-3, and I hate to say it but I think if two teams are picked, the Griz would get the nod over the Cats regardless.

Ok, lets hear what you have to say?

I really couldn't give a crap about the griz right now. WE have to win some ball games and worry about ourselves. If we win out we'll go. If not we have to depend on what others do or don't do. I say we win out.

[longhorn_22]

I think you made an excellent post. I have no predictions to make because of how insane this year is going. It is impossible to pick anyone to win any game right now. I do think, however, we will win the next two and the game at EWU will be really tough. But I think the brawl will decide it all and if we can keep our confidence and momentum from two straight wins, we will be pretty good going into EWU and having the home game with UM.

[longhorn_22]

I think we have as much potential as any team in the nation. If we can get our D to play solid the rest of the season, our offense can do some extraordinary things to vault us to the BSC championship.

[Born2BaGriz]

I really couldn't give a crap about the griz right now. WE have to win some ball games and worry about ourselves. If we win out we'll go. If not we have to depend on what others do or don't do. I say we win out.[/quote]

Not a bad attitude to have, but but very shortsighted. Your inability to acknowledge your own weakness is the problem most Griz fans have. This isn't a post about the Griz, this was an attempt to garner legitimate discussion regarding what you believe your chances are for the remainder of the year.

[Born2BaGriz]

I think we have as much potential as any team in the nation. If we can get our D to play solid the rest of the season, our offense can do some extraordinary things to vault us to the BSC championship.

My belief is that you don't have the D to get it done. If you win out, which I don't believe you will, I don't think you would make it past the first round. That being said, I not sure the Griz have what it takes either.

[DriftCat]

I am thinking the next couple of weeks will be telling for our D. We are getting some of our injured players back and we have had two weeks to figure some things out. As far as our running game, I think Groves showed that he can be a go to guy it is just a matter of using him more than ten times per game. I believe that our D can correct itself enough to give the offense the chance to win games. As we have all seen, you cannot look past ANYONE in the BSC this year. It should be a great finish.

[CARDIAC_CATS]

There are way too many game to be played this year. Remember MSU is still learning the 3-4 system so just like UM's defense improved late in the year so can MSU's. We need to take care of our game EACH WEEK and let the chips fall were they fall. Winning is the only thing we care about this week and then we'll worry about Sac. State the week after.

[Born2BaGriz]

I am thinking the next couple of weeks will be telling for our D. We are getting some of our injured players back and we have had two weeks to figure some things out. As far as our running game, I think Groves showed that he can be a go to guy it is just a matter of using him more than ten times per game. I believe that our D can correct itself enough to give the offense the chance to win games. As we have all seen, you cannot look past ANYONE in the BSC this year. It should be a great finish.

I appreciate your honest opinion. I don't know the Cats personnel well enough to say any different. I just going off of what I observed in the games I have watched. You are 100% correct in that nobody, NOBODY, can be overlooked.

[CARDIAC_CATS]

To be honest, we have the guys on defense to do the job. We seem to be in place to make a play (besides the pass rush) but have NOT been wrapping up. Hopefully they have worked on scheme/tackling/pushing guys back into pursuit these last 2 weeks. If we can improve on tackling this defense actually could end up being pretty good by the end of the year.

[catatac]

I don't think the Griz would get the nod over the Cats if both teams ended up being 8-3.

[gtapp]

Your right; our D is suspect at best. It is dependent on having ALL of our starters on the field to be successful (depth problem) which we finally have going into this weekend. The BSC has incredible parity this year and with the weather starting to get worse anything can happen. If Weber can beat EWU in Cheney than anyone in the BSC can win there. Will we be the underdog at EWU, YES. Can we win, YES! Even these next two home games for the Cats (NAU and SAC) are not given's. I thought we would have destroyed SAC last year after our big win at NAU and look what happened. This year it is impossible to predict. The good news is that both MSU and UM can win ALL of their remaining games. It may not happen but it can. We both have the ability. It will depend on many factors including injuries, weather, confidence, ability to play well on the road, etc. The good news is that it is unpredictable. The bad news is that it is unpredictable.

[Born2BaGriz]

I don't think the Griz would get the nod over the Cats if both teams ended up being 8-3.

Not saying it is right, but look at it this way. If both teams end up 8-3, with the Cats beating the Griz then EWU gets the autobid. The Griz will not have dropped until after the loss in the "unoffical polls" and their losses would have come to ranked teams, thus most likely leaving them higher ranked then the Cats. Plus, again not that it is right but I think the selection folks would give the nod to the Griz over the Cats. Just my humble opinion. Of course it will all be moot if either of us drop the game this week.

[grizbeer]

I don't think the Griz would get the nod over the Cats if both teams ended up being 8-3.

Not saying it is right, but look at it this way. If both teams end up 8-3, with the Cats beating the Griz then EWU gets the autobid. The Griz will not have dropped until after the loss in the "unoffical polls" and their losses would have come to ranked teams, thus most likely leaving them higher ranked then the Cats. Plus, again not that it is right but I think the selection folks would give the nod to the Griz over the Cats. Just my humble opinion. Of course it will all be moot if either of us drop the game this week.

If both teams end up 8-3 the Cat's are the BSC champions, no other way around this (the only way that can happen is the Cat's win the rest of their games to go 6-1 conference, 2-2 non conference.

For the Griz to be 8-3 and lose to the Cat's they have to beat PSU, so the Cats would be all alone at 8-3 (Eastern already has 2 BSC losses). No Choice would be necessary, the Cat's would get the auto bid, the Griz an at large.

[Hell's Bells]

I don't think the Griz would get the nod over the Cats if both teams ended up being 8-3.

Not saying it is right, but look at it this way. If both teams end up 8-3, with the Cats beating the Griz then EWU gets the autobid. The Griz will not have dropped until after the loss in the "unoffical polls" and their losses would have come to ranked teams, thus most likely leaving them higher ranked then the Cats. Plus, again not that it is right but I think the selection folks would give the nod to the Griz over the Cats. Just my humble opinion. Of course it will all be moot if either of us drop the game this week.

If both teams end up 8-3 the Cat's are the BSC champions, no other way around this (the only way that can happen is the Cat's win the rest of their games to go 6-1 conference, 2-2 non conference.

For the Griz to be 8-3 and lose to the Cat's they have to beat PSU, so the Cats would be all alone at 8-3 (Eastern already has 2 BSC losses). No Choice would be necessary, the Cat's would get the auto bid, the Griz an at large.

ewu would get autobid on reputation also

on a side note

i would not want to face psu next year

[grizbeer]

I don't think the Griz would get the nod over the Cats if both teams ended up being 8-3.

Not saying it is right, but look at it this way. If both teams end up 8-3, with the Cats beating the Griz then EWU gets the autobid. The Griz will not have dropped until after the loss in the "unoffical polls" and their losses would have come to ranked teams, thus most likely leaving them higher ranked then the Cats. Plus, again not that it is right but I think the selection folks would give the nod to the Griz over the Cats. Just my humble opinion. Of course it will all be moot if either of us drop the game this week.

If both teams end up 8-3 the Cat's are the BSC champions, no other way around this (the only way that can happen is the Cat's win the rest of their games to go 6-1 conference, 2-2 non conference.

For the Griz to be 8-3 and lose to the Cat's they have to beat PSU, so the Cats would be all alone at 8-3 (Eastern already has 2 BSC losses). No Choice would be necessary, the Cat's would get the auto bid, the Griz an at large.

ewu would get autobid on reputation also

on a side note

i would not want to face psu next year

I'm not sure if you were joking about EWU gettign the auto-bid. Reputation has nothing to do with the auto-bid. If the Cat's beat Eastern (in order to have the 8-3 record) the best record they could have is 7-4, with only 6 D-I wins. That won't get you an at-large invitation to the playoffs.

[jagur1]

I think someone from the EWU/MSU match up will not be going to the Playoffs... I also feal the same way about the EWU/Cal Poly matchup. Time will tell.

[Born2BaGriz]

I don't think the Griz would get the nod over the Cats if both teams ended up being 8-3.

Not saying it is right, but look at it this way. If both teams end up 8-3, with the Cats beating the Griz then EWU gets the autobid. The Griz will not have dropped until after the loss in the "unoffical polls" and their losses would have come to ranked teams, thus most likely leaving them higher ranked then the Cats. Plus, again not that it is right but I think the selection folks would give the nod to the Griz over the Cats. Just my humble opinion. Of course it will all be moot if either of us drop the game this week.

If both teams end up 8-3 the Cat's are the BSC champions, no other way around this (the only way that can happen is the Cat's win the rest of their games to go 6-1 conference, 2-2 non conference.

For the Griz to be 8-3 and lose to the Cat's they have to beat PSU, so the Cats would be all alone at 8-3 (Eastern already has 2 BSC losses). No Choice would be necessary, the Cat's would get the auto bid, the Griz an at large.

ewu would get autobid on reputation also

on a side note

i would not want to face psu next year

I'm not sure if you were joking about EWU gettign the auto-bid. Reputation has nothing to do with the auto-bid. If the Cat's beat Eastern (in order to have the 8-3 record) the best record they could have is 7-4, with only 6 D-I wins. That won't get you an at-large invitation to the playoffs.

Maybe it is the new math, I very wrong here as the Cats have to win out to go 8-3 and would be the autobid. Well, basically unless they win out and win the conference the Cats will be turning in their equipment after the Brawl.

[raincat]

I don't know which is worse, "letting up" or "letting down", but the griz better do neither this week. In fact, they had better "step it up" because PSU is a team to be reckoned with. As their coach Walsh said after the Bobcat game, "they have a great team, but we matched them step for step." He is correct. They are an improving team with a lot of heart. Someone may be facing THEM in the playoffs.
I would actually pay cash money to watch this game. Both team doctors better be cardio/pulmonary specialists because Hilliard (sp?) and the PSU RB should be running at-will all day.

[PDXKat]

Sorry about earlier smack. But if we tend to business, we will be fine. What we do has nothing to do with um. Destiny is still ours to control. That said, we are a little shaky on d right now, we have to get some stops, we're not giving up the big plays but at 6-8 yards a crack it doesn't make much difference. But I do think Coach K and crew will make the neccessary adjustments. No one will stop our o except us - no problems there. All that said, we'll be fine. What makes me a bit curious is that no one is talking about psu much. They are a pretty sound ballclub that can beat the griz at home, no doubt about it. If they win out and we win out, wouldn't that be an interesting twist?