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GPI Through 10/9

Post by longhorn_22 » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:54 am

Gridiron Power Index through 10/09
http://i-aa.org/section_front.asp?arttypeid=564

Cats are tied for fifth and the BSC is #1.
All teams on link, conferences are as followes:

1. Big Sky Conference (28.43) 8)
2. Southern Conference (28.66)
3. Atlantic 10 Conference (30.38
4. Gateway Football Conference (30.90)
5. Great West Football Conference (31.76)
6. Southland Conference (32.67)
7. Ivy League (42.22)
8. Patriot League (48.09)
9. Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (52.90)
10. Big South Conference (54.93)
11. Ohio Valley Conference (55.37)
12. Southwestern Athletic Conference (67.15)
13. Pioneer Football League (70.41)
14. Northeast Conference (73.32)
15. Metro-Atlantic Athletic Conference (77.27)



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Re: GPI Through 10/9

Post by GFGriz » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:03 pm

longhorn_22 wrote:Gridiron Power Index through 10/09
http://i-aa.org/section_front.asp?arttypeid=564

Cats are tied for fifth and the BSC is #1.
All teams on link, conferences are as followes:

1. Big Sky Conference (28.43) 8)
2. Southern Conference (28.66)
3. Atlantic 10 Conference (30.38
4. Gateway Football Conference (30.90)
5. Great West Football Conference (31.76)
6. Southland Conference (32.67)
7. Ivy League (42.22)
8. Patriot League (48.09)
9. Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (52.90)
10. Big South Conference (54.93)
11. Ohio Valley Conference (55.37)
12. Southwestern Athletic Conference (67.15)
13. Pioneer Football League (70.41)
14. Northeast Conference (73.32)
15. Metro-Atlantic Athletic Conference (77.27)
Griz are #1.



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Re: GPI Through 10/9

Post by longhorn_22 » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:03 pm

GFGriz wrote:
longhorn_22 wrote:Gridiron Power Index through 10/09
http://i-aa.org/section_front.asp?arttypeid=564

Cats are tied for fifth and the BSC is #1.
All teams on link, conferences are as followes:

1. Big Sky Conference (28.43) 8)
2. Southern Conference (28.66)
3. Atlantic 10 Conference (30.38
4. Gateway Football Conference (30.90)
5. Great West Football Conference (31.76)
6. Southland Conference (32.67)
7. Ivy League (42.22)
8. Patriot League (48.09)
9. Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (52.90)
10. Big South Conference (54.93)
11. Ohio Valley Conference (55.37)
12. Southwestern Athletic Conference (67.15)
13. Pioneer Football League (70.41)
14. Northeast Conference (73.32)
15. Metro-Atlantic Athletic Conference (77.27)
Griz are #1.
Yes they are.



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Post by MSU01 » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:05 pm

Wow, look how far down Southern Illinois is on all the computer polls!



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Post by longhorn_22 » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:07 pm

MSU01 wrote:Wow, look how far down Southern Illinois is on all the computer polls!
I agree, it's a bit odd.



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Post by BobCatFan » Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:35 pm

how can the friz be #1 with their cupcake schedule?



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Post by ralph » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:39 am

BobCatFan wrote:how can the friz be #1 with their cupcake schedule?
Cupcake?

09/03/05 Ft Lewis ( 4-2 ) 55- 0
09/10/05 at Oregon ( 5-1 ) 14-47
09/17/05 S Dakota St ( 3-3 ) 7- 0
10/01/05 Weber St ( 2-4 ) 24-19
10/08/05 at Idaho St ( 3-3 ) 32-10

Only one team with a losing record. You calling Weber a cupcake?


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Post by BozoneCat » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:43 am

ralph wrote:
BobCatFan wrote:how can the friz be #1 with their cupcake schedule?
Cupcake?

09/03/05 Ft Lewis ( 4-2 ) 55- 0
09/10/05 at Oregon ( 5-1 ) 14-47
09/17/05 S Dakota St ( 3-3 ) 7- 0
10/01/05 Weber St ( 2-4 ) 24-19
10/08/05 at Idaho St ( 3-3 ) 32-10

Only one team with a losing record. You calling Weber a cupcake?
No, but I don't think Ft. Lewis High School and SDSU at home are anything to brag about. Yes, only one team has a losing record, but two of the others are only .500.

After these next two weeks, I wouldn't consider their schedule to be "cupcake," but I would up until this point. We'll know a LOT more after watching them play EWU and Cal Poly, albeit both games are in Missoula, which gives the griz a 14-point advantage before the coin is flipped.


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Post by ralph » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:53 am

BozoneCat wrote:
ralph wrote:
BobCatFan wrote:how can the friz be #1 with their cupcake schedule?
Cupcake?
09/03/05 Ft Lewis ( 4-2 ) 55- 0
09/10/05 at Oregon ( 5-1 ) 14-47
09/17/05 S Dakota St ( 3-3 ) 7- 0
10/01/05 Weber St ( 2-4 ) 24-19
10/08/05 at Idaho St ( 3-3 ) 32-10
Only one team with a losing record. You calling Weber a cupcake?
No, but I don't think Ft. Lewis High School and SDSU at home are anything to brag about. Yes, only one team has a losing record, but two of the others are only .500...
So you are saying SDSU and ISU are cupcakes? I have seen all of those teams this year (still not counting Ft Lewis) and none are cupcakes.


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Post by BozoneCat » Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:16 am

ralph wrote:
BozoneCat wrote:
ralph wrote:
BobCatFan wrote:how can the friz be #1 with their cupcake schedule?
Cupcake?
09/03/05 Ft Lewis ( 4-2 ) 55- 0
09/10/05 at Oregon ( 5-1 ) 14-47
09/17/05 S Dakota St ( 3-3 ) 7- 0
10/01/05 Weber St ( 2-4 ) 24-19
10/08/05 at Idaho St ( 3-3 ) 32-10
Only one team with a losing record. You calling Weber a cupcake?
No, but I don't think Ft. Lewis High School and SDSU at home are anything to brag about. Yes, only one team has a losing record, but two of the others are only .500...
So you are saying SDSU and ISU are cupcakes? I have seen all of those teams this year (still not counting Ft Lewis) and none are cupcakes.
Well, first and foremost, it is clear that the griz are just plain afraid to play an OOC game on the road (short of getting paid $400,000 to do so). They point out how much more money they make by playing at home, and that is valid, but I don't think it does much to solidify the team mentally. For reference, look at how they did on the road last year.

I don't consider Idaho State or South Dakota State to be "cupcakes" per se, but they certainly aren't top-tier teams either. Everybody jumped on the ISU bandwagon after they beat EWU, but they have fallen back to earth the last two weeks like they always do, and they flat-out sucked against the griz. SDSU is mediocre, and has the only QB in the nation statistically ranked lower than PSU's Sawyer. I would say that ISU, WSU, SDSU are all decent, but nothing to brag about. The griz schedule certainly doesn't compare to the Bobcats' schedule thus far. While we're at it, I firmly believe the griz and the Cats should hold themselves above playing D-II schools.


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Post by Eastcoastgriz » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:13 am

BozoneCat wrote:
Well, first and foremost, it is clear that the griz are just plain afraid to play an OOC game on the road (short of getting paid $400,000 to do so). They point out how much more money they make by playing at home, and that is valid, but I don't think it does much to solidify the team mentally. For reference, look at how they did on the road last year.

The griz schedule certainly doesn't compare to the Bobcats' schedule thus far. While we're at it, I firmly believe the griz and the Cats should hold themselves above playing D-II schools.
How about playing at Maine and at Hofstra the last couple of years? How about that little trip down to Texas last year?? Maybe you have forgotten about our deficit we are trying to clear up. Want to place a little wager on which school, UM or msu, clears up their deficit the fastest?

I think our scheduling as served us pretty well over the last decade or so, although we've only had 5 trips to the national championship game during that time frame.

And using your logic, IA teams should hold themselves above playing IAA schools.


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Post by couloir41 » Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:08 am

ecg...using your logic you'll be using the deficit excuse to play high school teams just to avoid a good butt kicking...after all that little budget problem should be no problem for the butt fur dingle berry teddies to clean up...now go do some personal hygiene (sp) work...start with those dingle berries...



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Post by Eastcoastgriz » Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:54 am

couloir41 wrote:ecg...using your logic you'll be using the deficit excuse to play high school teams just to avoid a good butt kicking...after all that little budget problem should be no problem for the butt fur dingle berry teddies to clean up...now go do some personal hygiene (sp) work...start with those dingle berries...
I'm all about fiscal responsibility and am happy we have tackled this problem head on.

I am looking forward to the day when we can again schedule home and away with the best of IAA.

I also understand what a home game means to Missoula, our fans and our team. I have no problem scheduling a fistful of home games.

Way to adress the jist of the post couloir41!


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Post by BozoneCat » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:41 am

Eastcoastgriz wrote:How about playing at Maine and at Hofstra the last couple of years? How about that little trip down to Texas last year?? Maybe you have forgotten about our deficit we are trying to clear up. Want to place a little wager on which school, UM or msu, clears up their deficit the fastest?

I think our scheduling as served us pretty well over the last decade or so, although we've only had 5 trips to the national championship game during that time frame.

And using your logic, IA teams should hold themselves above playing IAA schools.
Those games against Maine and Hofstra occured a few years ago, under a different AD. My point is made that when you do go on the road (Sam Houston), you get beat. I think that in the years you played Maine and Hofstra on the road, your team played much better on the road for the rest of the season as a result.

I wasn't discounting the financial aspect. In fact, had you bothered to read my post, you would have read where I clearly stated that as an understandable factor. BTW, I doubt the griz clear their deficit much sooner than MSU does, only because UM spends money like it is going out of style.

How convenient to throw in the tired "5 NC games" bullsh*t into this discussion. I know it must be hard not to stick that into every conversation you have, but it just isn't really relevant here. During those last 10 years, how have the griz done on the road, especially in the playoffs? Not very well. Before you make an ass of yourself by stating the obvious, we all know how well the Bobcats have done on the road during the same time period. That isn't the point here.

Lastly, my argument is completely sound regarding Montana schools not playing D-II schools. First, whether I-A or I-AA, we are all Division I schools. Secondly, I don't really care if I-A schools want to schedule us, that is their prerogative. If they want to pay us big chunks of change to come play them and we accept, great. That doesn't mean we should settle for scheduling D-II schools. There are plenty of good I-AA schools, I don't see why we as fans should be happy with beating up on D-II schools. And yes, I am fully aware that both our schools have lost to D-II schools in the last few years. Once MSU gets its deficit paid off, I would like to see solely I-AA schools on the schedule.


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Post by Platinumcat » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:26 am

Eastcoastgriz wrote:
BozoneCat wrote:
Well, first and foremost, it is clear that the griz are just plain afraid to play an OOC game on the road (short of getting paid $400,000 to do so). They point out how much more money they make by playing at home, and that is valid, but I don't think it does much to solidify the team mentally. For reference, look at how they did on the road last year.

The griz schedule certainly doesn't compare to the Bobcats' schedule thus far. While we're at it, I firmly believe the griz and the Cats should hold themselves above playing D-II schools.
How about playing at Maine and at Hofstra the last couple of years? How about that little trip down to Texas last year?? Maybe you have forgotten about our deficit we are trying to clear up. Want to place a little wager on which school, UM or msu, clears up their deficit the fastest?

I think our scheduling as served us pretty well over the last decade or so, although we've only had 5 trips to the national championship game during that time frame.

And using your logic, IA teams should hold themselves above playing IAA schools.
ECG,
Unless the Griz are going to have their deficit paid off before the season is over, I wouldn't take that bet. Why? Because the 'Cats are going to be out of the red by the end of this season.
Personally, I really did like it when the Griz went out and played Hofstra, Maine, Sam Houston, etc. My ideal situation for both programs would be to schedule the 1-A game to help bolster $$ and then use some of it to schedule home and away games with strong teams from other D-IAA conferences such as the Southland, A-10, etc.
Imagine a pre-season with those two games and throw in a Great West with it. Dangerous, I know. But WOW :!:



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Post by Eastcoastgriz » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:29 pm

BozoneCat wrote:
Those games against Maine and Hofstra occured a few years ago, under a different AD. My point is made that when you do go on the road (Sam Houston), you get beat. I think that in the years you played Maine and Hofstra on the road, your team played much better on the road for the rest of the season as a result.
You do realize our current AD has only been on the job for a couple on months. All our games (including this year) were set from previouse AD's. You point to one game last year were we got beat. As much as as I would love the GRIZ to win all their road games I dont think that is going to happen.
BozoneCat wrote: I wasn't discounting the financial aspect. In fact, had you bothered to read my post, you would have read where I clearly stated that as an understandable factor. BTW, I doubt the griz clear their deficit much sooner than MSU does, only because UM spends money like it is going out of style.
First, I read your post. Here's your quote "Well, first and foremost, it is clear that the Griz are just plain afraid to play an OOC game on the road (short of getting paid $400,000 to do so). They point out how much more money they make by playing at home, and that is valid, but I don't think it does much to solidify the team mentally

What’s clear is your statement that we are afraid to play on the road. Here's our road record for the past three years

04 3 wins 2 loses (one loss being the national championship game)
03 3 wins 2 loses
02 4 wins 2 loses (one loss being a payoff game)


Road Games OOC
In 02 we played Hofstra and Idaho - Hofstra was rated in the top 25 and Idaho is IA
In 03 we played Maine (Idaho was at home as was Cal Poly)
In 04 we played Sam Houston (Maine and Hofstra were at home)

04 was the year when we restructured travel to reduce cost. As you can see we have played quality OOC teams in each of the past three years. This year it was just Oregon on the road as it's CalPoly's turn to be in Msla.

BozoneCat wrote: How convenient to throw in the tired "5 NC games" bullsh*t into this discussion. I know it must be hard not to stick that into every conversation you have, but it just isn't really relevant here. During those last 10 years, how have the griz done on the road, especially in the playoffs? Not very well. Before you make an ass of yourself by stating the obvious, we all know how well the Bobcats have done on the road during the same time period. That isn't the point here.
Why do you have to be such a hater? See above. We have a decent win record on the road. How many teams in all of IAA have a better road win record than the GRIZ? I’ll guarantee that no BSC team has a better road record.
BozoneCat wrote: There are plenty of good I-AA schools, I don't see why we as fans should be happy with beating up on D-II schools. And yes, I am fully aware that both our schools have lost to D-II schools in the last few years. Once MSU gets its deficit paid off, I would like to see solely I-AA schools on the schedule.
I see nothing wrong with playing a team down a level on occasion. Maybe one ever two years and has to be a home game. ($$$) Reed always had a lower level team on our schedule and that seemed to work out ok.
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Post by BozoneCat » Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:06 pm

Eastcoastgriz wrote:This year it was just Oregon on the road as it's CalPoly's turn to be in Msla.
I'm calling bullsh*t on that. The griz cancelled their game against Cal Poly (in SLO) last year. They blamed it on money, but I think they saw how good Cal Poly looked to be and decided they didn't want to go down there and get beat. I'll concede that this is merely my opinion, certainly not fact. It is a fact, however, that it is not "Cal Poly's turn" to come up to Montana to play.
Eastcoastgriz wrote:Why do you have to be such a hater? See above. We have a decent win record on the road. How many teams in all of IAA have a better road win record than the GRIZ? I’ll guarantee that no BSC team has a better road record.
They have a good record because they have had very good teams. I wouldn't say they have played great on the road, though. Last year's team was a completely different team at home vs. on the road, more than any other team I've ever seen. That speaks volumes about what your crowd does for them at home, but doesn't speak much towards their mental toughness on the road.
Eastcoastgriz wrote:I see nothing wrong with playing a team down a level on occasion. Maybe one ever two years and has to be a home game. ($$$) Reed always had a lower level team on our schedule and that seemed to work out ok.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one based on principle. I think it is a lose-lose situation for either of our schools. I would much rather see us going and playing good I-AA schools. As stated by barechestcat, I want to see more games like the Maine and Hofstra deals because they are more fun to watch and certainly more relevant.


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Post by torrybruce » Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:57 pm

And let the bickering begin!!!



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Post by El_Gato » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:12 pm

Correction for eastcoast:

In 2004, the Griz were 2-3 on the road.


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Post by mquast53000 » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:14 pm

ralph wrote:
BobCatFan wrote:how can the friz be #1 with their cupcake schedule?
Cupcake?

09/03/05 Ft Lewis ( 4-2 ) 55- 0
09/10/05 at Oregon ( 5-1 ) 14-47
09/17/05 S Dakota St ( 3-3 ) 7- 0
10/01/05 Weber St ( 2-4 ) 24-19
10/08/05 at Idaho St ( 3-3 ) 32-10

Only one team with a losing record. You calling Weber a cupcake?
Yeah and only one division I team with a winning record. :roll:


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