Savage from CMR

19CAT · Post by **19CAT** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:19 pm

Has anyone heard if the CATS are after teh Savage kid from CMR. He is very impressive, fast, quick, and strong. I was told he has 4.5 speed and is about 170lbs (it was after I threw out my program). He sure seems to put up good numbers....

catsrback76 · Post by **catsrback76** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:01 pm

Both the Cats and Griz are talking to Drew. He was down to the Weber game in Missoula. I don't know if Kramer is aggressive in going after him but with his balance and speed there has to be a huge push to get him. The Griz are active in working him. Savage is going to set the ALL TIME CMR record for single season rushing and Junior/Senior years combined record. That speaks to something worth recruiting. The kid can ball.

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:07 pm

Kramer has never been found of those small scat backs (160-175 lbs.). If he is recruting him it must be for some other position.

catsrback76 · Post by **catsrback76** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:11 pm

gtapp wrote:Kramer has never been found of those small scat backs (160-175 lbs.). If he is recruting him it must be for some other position.

I think you're right. He'd make a great reciever or slot back. He is worth getting on the team because he fights like a Cat.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:16 pm

gtapp wrote:Kramer has never been found of those small scat backs (160-175 lbs.). If he is recruting him it must be for some other position.

For not being fond of them, he sure has recruited a buttload of them. Of course, not a single one of them has panned out to date. Maybe it is time for Kramer to start changing his recruiting philosophy regarding running backs, and go find some of the studs like he had while at EWU.

I for one hope we get Savage. The kid is a flat-out football player, plain and simple. It wouldn't be too hard to get him up over 200 lbs. after a year in the weight room and the dorm buffet. All I care is that he seems to know how to run the football. There is a lot to be said for Montana kids who are a little undersized but make up for it in heart (Bobby Daly, Kane Ioane just to name a couple). The more CMR and Capital kids we can get, the better IMO. These kids come from great systems and traditions, and know how to play football. They are more than just talent, they have been well-coached since they were little tykes, and they don't really know what it means to lose. Two of our best recruits from this spring's class will be from CMR (Gazzerro and Hansen). It might not show up on paper, but there is a lot to be said for that.

94VegasCat · Post by **94VegasCat** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:14 pm

Not that I am an advocate of Butte MT, but what is going on in the Mining City, are there any tough kids from Butte anymore? I looked at our roster, and there is not ONE kid from Butte on the roster.

I hope we get the Savage kid just so the griz can say "aw, we didn't really want him anyway." I think that he would be a great recruit for the CATS to land. He can play ball if he sets records at CMR. Great lineage to come from.

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:18 pm

BozoneCat wrote:
gtapp wrote:Kramer has never been found of those small scat backs (160-175 lbs.). If he is recruting him it must be for some other position.
For not being fond of them, he sure has recruited a buttload of them. Of course, not a single one of them has panned out to date. Maybe it is time for Kramer to start changing his recruiting philosophy regarding running backs, and go find some of the studs like he had while at EWU.

I for one hope we get Savage. The kid is a flat-out football player, plain and simple. It wouldn't be too hard to get him up over 200 lbs. after a year in the weight room and the dorm buffet. All I care is that he seems to know how to run the football. There is a lot to be said for Montana kids who are a little undersized but make up for it in heart (Bobby Daly, Kane Ioane just to name a couple). The more CMR and Capital kids we can get, the better IMO. These kids come from great systems and traditions, and know how to play football. They are more than just talent, they have been well-coached since they were little tykes, and they don't really know what it means to lose. Two of our best recruits from this spring's class will be from CMR (Gazzerro and Hansen). It might not show up on paper, but there is a lot to be said for that.

I am not aware of any smallish type backs Kramer has recruited except Mike Williams who ran a 10.6 100m. And Ione was already about 185 or 190 when he showed up on campus, Daly was about 220.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:56 pm

gtapp wrote:I am not aware of any smallish type backs Kramer has recruited except Mike Williams who ran a 10.6 100m. And Ione was already about 185 or 190 when he showed up on campus, Daly was about 220.

Who wants to help me out here?

Jimmy Beal sure was one that didn't pan out. I know there have been a handful more, but I am completely blanking out right now. If and when I can think of more, I'll post them.

BTW, I think 180-190 lbs. is small for a safety, and you have to remember that Daly came to MSU and played as a defensive end last year, which would make him pretty small at 220.

WYCAT · Post by **WYCAT** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:57 pm

How about David Mayfield?

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:10 pm

WYCAT wrote:How about David Mayfield?

I believe he was a typical sized back (he was 6"1" and 190 lbs his first year).

Beal was one I missed.

WYCAT · Post by **WYCAT** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:12 pm

I don't know Gary, I remember standing beside David at the Wyoming game a few years ago and if he was 6'1" and 190+ than Lulay is about 6'5" 245. He was very slight and not tall and that was his last season at MSU.

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:20 pm

WYCAT wrote:I don't know Gary, I remember standing beside David at the Wyoming game a few years ago and if he was 6'1" and 190+ than Lulay is about 6'5" 245. He was very slight and not tall and that was his last season at MSU.

I never met David but that is what the program said. He seemed tall on the field (from a distance). When they interviewed him on "The Line" he seemed about that size.

mquast53000 · Post by **mquast53000** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:26 pm

BozoneCat wrote:
gtapp wrote:I am not aware of any smallish type backs Kramer has recruited except Mike Williams who ran a 10.6 100m. And Ione was already about 185 or 190 when he showed up on campus, Daly was about 220.
Who wants to help me out here?

Jimmy Beal sure was one that didn't pan out. I know there have been a handful more, but I am completely blanking out right now. If and when I can think of more, I'll post them.

BTW, I think 180-190 lbs. is small for a safety, and you have to remember that Daly came to MSU and played as a defensive end last year, which would make him pretty small at 220.

Daly broke his jaw last summer. He lost a lot of weight due to his injury. I bet that after this summer he will gain some weight (240-245lbs).

catsrback76 · Post by **catsrback76** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:39 pm

All I can tell you about Savage is that at every level of football from youth up- he has been THE MAN on the field. He is cat quick and can turn on a dime-- has the heart to bang you and is like a pinball when hit. One hit never takes him down even though he is small. His balance is like that of a small undersized back that wouldn't make it either because of his size, Walter Payton.

I'm not blowing smoke, he is small, but MSU needs to get him- he is no Beal guaranteed.

spider · Post by **spider** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:31 pm

BozoneCat wrote:
gtapp wrote:I am not aware of any smallish type backs Kramer has recruited except Mike Williams who ran a 10.6 100m. And Ione was already about 185 or 190 when he showed up on campus, Daly was about 220.
Who wants to help me out here?

Jimmy Beal sure was one that didn't pan out. I know there have been a handful more, but I am completely blanking out right now. If and when I can think of more, I'll post them.

BTW, I think 180-190 lbs. is small for a safety, and you have to remember that Daly came to MSU and played as a defensive end last year, which would make him pretty small at 220.

Cameron King - he was actually pretty good but got hurt and could no longer play.

Vernon Williams - also fairly decent from what I remember but left the team.

Both of these guys are very short. 5'6"?

You could also argue that Michael Bass is a scat back although he is built very well.

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:04 pm

Lets not forget Marcell Dunn. Kramer proclaimed MD to be one of the greatest football players the Big Sky Conf. would ever see... I call him the biggest bust the Big Sky has ever seen.

BleedsBlue&Gold · Post by **BleedsBlue&Gold** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:39 pm

[quote]"Not that I am an advocate of Butte MT, but what is going on in the Mining City, are there any tough kids from Butte anymore? I looked at our roster, and there is not ONE kid from Butte on the roster.

I hope we get the Savage kid just so the griz can say "aw, we didn't really want him anyway." I think that he would be a great recruit for the CATS to land. He can play ball if he sets records at CMR. Great lineage to come from."[/quote]
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I will be the advocat for Butte. There are starting to be some tought kids from Butte again. There was a little bit of a drought, but Coach Salo and Coach Peoples have great teams and players in Butte High and Central. These are all well disciplined, blue collared kids who make great team players. I would like to see more Butte kids on MSU's roster.

I think you would also see the Butte fan base start to sway back to Bozeman. They are heavy Griz right now. Many of the people in Butte honestly believe that the team (msu or um) with more butte kids is the team that is going to be more successfull.

AS for the savage kid from CMR, coach mcendoo, who recruits MT, told me he isn't too high on the list. he doesn't think he has what it takes to be a RB at the 1-aa level. Possibly another position.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:18 pm

BleedsBlue&Gold wrote:AS for the savage kid from CMR, coach mcendoo, who recruits MT, told me he isn't too high on the list. he doesn't think he has what it takes to be a RB at the 1-aa level. Possibly another position.

Right now, I'm not too high on our coaches' ability to recognize players who have what it takes to be a RB at the I-AA level. I think we may have a couple young kids who will finally pan out as good RB's (Groves and Taito), but to date I can't say I have been impressed at all with their ability to scout talent at the position. I still say we will be sorry if we choose to pass up on Savage.

Thanks to the others who thought of some of those names, those were the guys I was thinking of, particularly Dunn.

catsrback76 · Post by **catsrback76** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:01 pm

"AS for the savage kid from CMR, coach mcendoo, who recruits MT, told me he isn't too high on the list. he doesn't think he has what it takes to be a RB at the 1-aa level. Possibly another position."

Well I am no professional, but 2000+ yards at the State AA level probably isn't that great a feat. BTW: What was Hilliards yardage total for a single season?

The point is: whatever the coach thinks may or may not be the case with Drew. He will put on pounds--muscle-- and his skills will NOT go away. Trust me, if the Griz get him we will be kicking our coaches in the butt for this one

couloir41 · Post by **couloir41** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:48 pm

come on...coach mc says something you don't want to hear and you come off like you know more than he does...really...?

i know and like coach mc and i believe he knows rb talent when he sees it and i'm will to trust his expertise (over yours)...

besides lex how many even "good" backs or skill positions of any kind come out of montana...? per my experience not many...and the ones that do go d1...we've gone over this topic on this board many times and it all boils down to population base...montana doesn't have enough to generate but very good great athletes...

i personally want the best athlete on the field playing for the cats and i don't care where he is from...gt falls or mulholland (sp) falls (ca)...as long as the cats win...we have alway relied on out of state skill players and they have for the most part carried the program and probably always will...

if we get a great mt kid to play for us i think that's great but the fact is we don't have enough to go around for two good programs...