To many STUPID Penalties

mquast53000 · Post by **mquast53000** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:02 pm

We damn near gave that game away with some very bad decisions. Cats have to play better football to win the Big Sky, but here is to another good win!

Go Cats!

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:04 pm

You're right, way too many personal foul penalties on the defense...but a win is a win! Those penalties could cost us a game down the line though if they don't stop (see 2003 vs. N. Colorado).

lazyjkcats · Post by **lazyjkcats** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:14 pm

Yeah, but some of those penalties were quite questionable. I think the team that needs work is the BSC officials

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:26 pm

Questionable calls or not, there is absolutely no reason to even give the refs a chance to make a bad call...just shut your mouth, go back to your position, and get ready for the next play!

P.S. I thought today's ref crew was actually quite good.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:33 pm

MSU01 wrote:Questionable calls or not, there is absolutely no reason to even give the refs a chance to make a bad call...just shut your mouth, go back to your position, and get ready for the next play!

P.S. I thought today's ref crew was actually quite good.

You have GOT to be kidding me. There were two OBVIOUS non-called PI's on ISU, and a non-call when 2 ISU linmen held Sweet lou on a pass rush. the BSC refs SUCK BALLS!

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:35 pm

lazyjkcats wrote:Yeah, but some of those penalties were quite questionable. I think the team that needs work is the BSC officials

At least two of the PF's were very questionable . Good win by the'Cats despite the zebras.

Gordo · Post by **Gordo** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:39 pm

GOKATS wrote:At least two of the PF's were very questionable . Good win by the'Cats despite the zebras.

The call when King (I think) was blocked into the ISU player who was already on the ground wasn't even questionable. It was just plain wrong.

I think the referee in this game wanted his face time for the tv camera's

Yung1Gun · Post by **Yung1Gun** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:16 pm

The team as a whole is currently playing very undisciplined football. The coaching staff was not disciplined today and neither were the players. The hit that #25 put on ISU WR #6 was not only cheap but was a perfect example of several negatives the team currently displays. Toph was playing the WR, not the ball, not a good way to play (Note OK ST) also the late hit could have been flagged. The two point conversion almost could have cost the team the game also.

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:17 pm

grizzh8r wrote:
MSU01 wrote:Questionable calls or not, there is absolutely no reason to even give the refs a chance to make a bad call...just shut your mouth, go back to your position, and get ready for the next play!

P.S. I thought today's ref crew was actually quite good.
You have GOT to be kidding me. There were two OBVIOUS non-called PI's on ISU, and a non-call when 2 ISU linmen held Sweet lou on a pass rush. the BSC refs SUCK BALLS!

I knew this reply would be coming sooner or later, and probably sooner...in my opinion, there were also a couple non-PI calls when ISU was on offense that could have been called (including King's TD). I thought the refs were consistent in how they called the game, at least when it came to PI calls...I'm not claiming they were perfect, but I saw less bad calls than usual.

Yung1Gun · Post by **Yung1Gun** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:37 pm

The team is going to have to play more fundamentally and heady in the future or else there lack of concentration is going to cost them games

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:47 pm

We are seriously shooting ourselves in the foot every game, and eventually we are going to blow the damn thing off.

Here is an interesting stat though.

Penalties in non BSC reffed games : 4.5 penalties per game, 35 yards per game
Penalties in BSC (home) reffed games : 8.7 penalties per game, 82 yards per game

You can make your own conclusions about these stats. BSC officials may suck, or maybe we just get too excited at home. I believe it to be a combination of both.

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:25 pm

A little input here:
First, the interception for a return was never even close to PI. The reason is that we were breaking on and playing the ball. He didn't drape around the receiver at all. That was a positive non call.

If you were to rate these refs on a percentage of right calls basis, they probably have a fair grade. But, there were several blatantly, monstrously bad calls. The ISU offensive lineman blocking us IN THE BACK and knocking us onto the pile was wrong on two levels. First, HE BLOCKED US IN THE BACK. Secondly, we were pushed on the pile, we weren't gangpiling. The no-call on the pass interference was ridiculous!!! Ricky had slowed down for the ball (it was underthrown), the ISU defender never even looked back. He threw his arms up in the air and ran straight into Ricky before the ball arrived. This happened right in front of me and I can tell you that whoever the ref was with the "F" on his back certainly earned that grade on that play. There was about 250 people on the booster side who just about ran out onto the field.

The "cheap shot" hit on ISU's #6 receiver needs to be explained to me. If you've ever played football and are running at full speed and the guy goes up for the ball, you hit him while he is STILL in the air, is it your fault that he missed the ball? I watched it happen live and on the replay and in neither case did I even whince at the possibility of a cheap play. The receiver got hung out to dry and he paid a price for it.

These things being said, we did have other areas where we were letting ISU have second chances on drives that would have been done with stupid penalties. I hope the staff starts getting after them as we have given all of our opponents extra opportunities all year due to this.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:27 pm

I was also whining about the no PI call to Ricky. It looked as though the DB never looked back and just ran smack into Gatewood arms flailing all over.

I disagree with our TD though, it looked like the DB got there quite early from where I was, but I was a long ways away from that play.

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:34 pm

I can't remember on the int, who was it? My angle happened to be directly in line with the qb and our db. Our guy read it all the way and actually broke on the ball ahead of the receiver. That's why he was around the guy.

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:38 pm

I saw some contact before the ball got there on the TD play...regardless of whether or not it should be called, it often is. There was another play where Fuller had his left arm wrapped around the receiver's back and knocked the ball away with his right hand which also was not called and could have been. As for the hit on #6 by Grenfell, I think that was perfectly legal. Grenfell couldn't make a play on the ball because he was a step or two late getting there, so he made a play on the receiver...he committed to making that hit before the pass was incomplete.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:54 pm

I agree... Grenfell's hit wasn't a cheap shot. It was pretty close, but had that ball been thrown a foot less, none of us would even be considering it a bad hit. The ISU receiver got his fingertip on the ball as is, if I remember correctly.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:57 pm

CelticCat wrote:I agree... Grenfell's hit wasn't a cheap shot. It was pretty close, but had that ball been thrown a foot less, none of us would even be considering it a bad hit. The ISU receiver got his fingertip on the ball as is, if I remember correctly.

Football is a contact sport. PERIOD. Grenfell made a play on a reciever that was diving for a ball. Completely legal hit, and one of the hardest hits I have ever seen! We have some guys on this team that can lay the lumber on the opposing team. Lets not have our guys tiptoeing in the daisy patch out there...

The no-call on ricky was blatant. The other no-call at the other end of the field late in the 4th was just as bad. Guinn or maybe Murray

was literally pulled away from the pass by the DB - NO CALL. wbtfg, btowncat, and I all agreed on that play, as well as a couple other friends.

CagedBengal · Post by **CagedBengal** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:16 am

Let me give you my opinion from the ISU side of things. The PF at the end of the run should have been a block in the back. In fact, everyone around us in the ISU section was calling for a PF, and I told my friend it could just as easily been a block in the back on us.

2nd, the Interception returned for a touchdown looked like he got hit a little early. I watched the game again this morning when I woke up and the great camera angle and coverage (tongue in cheek) didn't show anything to support either case. From what I can see, it looked like the defender's arm was wrapped around the receivers waist. But, our receivers have had a hard time adjusting to Haglers arm strength and have had a lot of balls hit and bounce off them. Call could have gone either way.

I saw PI's on both sides of the ball that were not called. I guess that is all that can be asked for in this game. At least it wasn't one team getting screwed more than another on that.

I am assuming the call ya'll are talking about on the hit on #6 that was clean was the 4th down play at the end of the game. IF so, the receiver was actually #9. Anyway, the call at the end could have been either way. Roughing or not. I know if it would have been the other way around, and our defender hit your receiver like that, there would have been an uproar in Bobcat Stadium. The call that went un-noticed and no one is talking about was the PI about 3 steps before the hit. MSU's defender hooked #9 as he was running down the sideline. He had is arm around his waist and the receiver had to run through the arm hold, which lead to the defender falling over. Again, I tried to watch it this morning and can't get a good shot of the play. The only part that is shown is the pass in the air, the defender on his back, and the shot taken at the end of the play. At the least it should have been a 5 yard holding call.

Anyway, great game and thanks to all the fans who made it a great experience.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:02 pm

Since we've turned this thread into the weekly "Big Sky refs and the mothers who love them", Gav & I discussed the MOST OBVIOUS NON-CALL OF PASS INTERFERENCE IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL on another thread so I'll bring it up here. It was on our second-to-last drive; Travis fires a pass over the middle to (I believe) Gatewood for a first down; while the BALL IS IN THE AIR, HOWEVER, one of ISU's defenders blindsides Barnhart with a hit that could've been seen from SPACE!!!

Hey, Big Sky refs, the ball's in the air & a receiver gets KO'd!!! Where's the damn hankee? (It was probably already where I'd like to have shoved it at that point!)

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:04 pm

And, he was well beyond five yards if they even try to use that excuse!!