Two Deep

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:51 pm

Just out of curiosity and boredom, what is everyone's thoughts on what our two deep will look like for the OKST game? Here's my take...

Offense:

QB- Lulay, Carpenter
RB- Domenick, Bass/Groves (I think all three could start and do well)
WR-Gatewood, Brown (Sorry Rosey)
WR-Murray, Lulay
WR-Guinn, Miller (This could change)
LT- DeCock, Jenson
LG- Bolton, Smith
C- Birkeland, Verlanic
RG-Figeroa, Smith
RT- Hirst, Beniger
TE- Barnhardt, McDonald

Defense:

DE- Papich, Macciola (Probably Lowe)
NT- Saucedo, Siataga
DE- Kolone, Rothenburger
LB- Marudas, Ashley/Curley
LB- Mollohan, Mauai
LB- King, Daly
LB- Lowe, Gathing
CB- Hunter, D. Davis (Chris Davis should be in the mix if healthy)
CB- Fuller, E. Smith (I doubt Kory Austin will see the field this year)
S- Force, Williams
S- Grenfell, Holden (Fuller can also play the safety position)

Special Teams

K- Hastings, Bolton
P- Lulay, Bolton
KR- Murray, Bass/Rosey
PR- Bass/Rosey/Murray

I think that there will be some changes by conference time. I think that Bass will move ahead of Domenick at RB, and that Miller will surpass Guinn. I also wouldn't mind seeing either Eddie Smith or Chris Davis get healthy and challenge Fuller and Hunter for the starting spot. And who knows what going to happen with the Kickers...

Overall I think this is the deepest team that we have had in quite some time. We could go 8 deep at receiver, 3 at RB and 4-5 at CB. Our D-Line isn't incredibly deep, but Lowe could play DE if needed, and Siataga is back practicing.

The DL is what really worries me. I haven't heard much about Macciola or Rothenburger. I was hoping for one of those guys to step up and be an impact player right away. I keep waiting for Kramer to announce a late transfer to the DL. On the bright side I have a feeling that our LBs and DBs will be some of the best and deepest in the league.

We also have some very good looking young players on the team. Brian Williams is going to be a player, as is Bobby Daly, Evin Groves, Chris Smith and Jim Verlanic. I think that if Joe Shreibeis were 15lbs heavier that he would be the starter.

Every year we begin with question marks, but I don't see many this year, and I think that we Bobcat fans have a lot to look forward to this fall. I would love to see a 4th Football National Championship banner hanging in the field house this winter.

*****Edit*****
There was a story on the news last night on our receivers, and I completely forgot that Brandon Roosevelt was a starter last year before getting injured. People were comparing him to Arie Gray, and Junior Adams. This year I have him as our 7th best receiver. This is going to be a dangerous group.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:08 am

Wasn't Rogers going with the 1's in the last scrimmage? Him going down last year really hurt our team late I thought (EW/UM). Hopefully he is at about his full weight from last year and all healed up. He can definately help us out and be a force on the DL if he is healthy.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:08 am

I noticed the absence of Rogers' name right away as well; what's up with him? Based on his previous experience, I would have expected to see him as at least a 2 somewhere...?

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:44 am

Whats up with the cats talking about blowing the red shirt on your freshman tailback? see Greatfalls paper.

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:52 am

El_Gato wrote:I noticed the absence of Rogers' name right away as well; what's up with him? Based on his previous experience, I would have expected to see him as at least a 2 somewhere...?

Sorry...I totally spaced Rogers. He will probably be a starter, as he is a returning all-conference performer. My Bad.

I honestly think that we are better and deeper at every position (except TE) than we were last year.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:00 am

Sorry for panicking, wbtfg; I thought that was the OFFICIAL 2 deep at this point in camp. MY bad...

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:02 am

pg Miller / Holmes
2g Jefferson / Edmonds
sf / wing Dissly / Durham
pf Moss / Pratt
c Beye / Morris

Bench /potential Redshirt
Johnson, Durr

Redshirt

Wilson, Johnson, the kid from Bozeman High

Johnsons -Take your pick (could push Pratt)
Durr/Holmes was the toughest choice. If you pick Durr slide Durham to guard and move Durr to behind Dissly.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:03 am

As too Roosevelt, when Murray got injured in the scrimmage, Roosevelt came in as his backup. That would make him #5 by my guesses.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:18 pm

jagur1 wrote:Whats up with the cats talking about blowing the red shirt on your freshman tailback? see Greatfalls paper.

Um - probably because he might be one of the rare cases where he's good enough to play? Kind of like the 10 redshirts the Griz burned last year and 8 the year before that?

If you're suggesting that it's because we don't currently have good running backs - guess again!

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:30 pm

That is the point if he's not going to carry the ball save him for next year when Bass is gone. Unless he needs to get some carries. (and no I'm not sold on the cat running game, we will see in about 15 days.)

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:44 pm

According to Kramer

While freshmen are rarely recruited to fill holes in a team's depth chart, and usually redshirt during their first year in Division I football, Kramer said he and his staff evaluate each student-athlete individually. "I think you have to take it on a case-by-case basis," he said. Jeff (Bolton) played all of 22 plays that year, but he started the playoff game and graded out better than anyone else on the offensive line, including (Brent) Swaggert. I think you have to take into account where that player figures in the future. If you know a kid is going to start his second year, I think you're better off getting him bloodied as a kick team guy that first year and letting him get used to the tempo and the physical nature of the game."

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:59 pm

spoken like a coach with a true 500 record. But, it does answer the question.

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:24 pm

I side with you jag. I'd rather see Gazz and Taito both redshirt this year if they arent doing anything other than special teams coverage.

What Bobcat wouldnt want Mac Mollohan for another year. He played strictly kickoff coverage teams as a true frosh, what a waste of a year. YOu cant tell me there wasnt one other single soph-senior able to fill that same position.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:11 pm

Cat Pride,

I agree with you to a point on Mac but remember this: If he redshirts his freshman year, the Streak would most likely have hit 17 because Big Mac made a TD-saving tackle on LV that would have probably cost us the win. And if the Streak is still alive in 2003, who's to say we go into Cat/Griz in Bozeman with the same attitude or confidence after winning in '02? The reason he "wasted" his freshman year was because he got mistakenly thrown in on a kick-cover play because some other kid screwed up and didn't get in on time; a coach grabbed Mac and told him to get on the field. If you know Mac, you know he's not the kind of kid who's going to argue about going into a game!

Just some food for thought (but I do try not to think about Mac just being a Junior this year; woulda, shoulda, coulda...)...

BobcatLionFan · Post by **BobcatLionFan** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:19 pm

Coaches do not worry about 5 years away. They might not be here then.

You plan for the current and future, but

If a player is needed to win, then he plays. You don't lose games for future reasons, and this can be a special year.

the team is deep, but if it's needed in a conference games, then ......

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:22 pm

BobcatLionFan wrote:Coaches do not worry about 5 years away. They might not be here then.

After 15 years Durham does

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:30 am

jagur1 wrote:That is the point if he's not going to carry the ball save him for next year when Bass is gone. Unless he needs to get some carries. (and no I'm not sold on the cat running game, we will see in about 15 days.)

So why didn't Bobby "Save" the 10 redshirts he burned last year? Are you saying that the cupboard was so bare that you guys really needed all 10 of those true freshman to play? Or is Bobby short-sighted?

mquast53000 · Post by **mquast53000** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:07 am

El_Gato wrote:Cat Pride,

I agree with you to a point on Mac but remember this: If he redshirts his freshman year, the Streak would most likely have hit 17 because Big Mac made a TD-saving tackle on LV that would have probably cost us the win. And if the Streak is still alive in 2003, who's to say we go into Cat/Griz in Bozeman with the same attitude or confidence after winning in '02? The reason he "wasted" his freshman year was because he got mistakenly thrown in on a kick-cover play because some other kid screwed up and didn't get in on time; a coach grabbed Mac and told him to get on the field. If you know Mac, you know he's not the kind of kid who's going to argue about going into a game!

Just some food for thought (but I do try not to think about Mac just being a Junior this year; woulda, shoulda, coulda...)...

El Gato I usually agree with most of your football-related posts, but this one I do not. Saying that Mac won the Cat/Griz game in 2002… Come on! The reality is that Kramer is ALWAYS playing for the NOW not the future. He is signed to a one-year contract, so he is going to use all of his resources to field a team that will be the best for that one year. I guarantee you right this moment Kramer does not think he is going to be in Bozeman for another 5 years, so he will burn a redshirt if it will help him THIS year.

While freshmen are rarely recruited to fill holes in a team's depth chart, and usually redshirt during their first year in Division I football, Kramer said he and his staff evaluate each student-athlete individually. "I think you have to take it on a case-by-case basis," he said. Jeff (Bolton) played all of 22 plays that year, but he started the playoff game and graded out better than anyone else on the offensive line, including (Brent) Swaggert. I think you have to take into account where that player figures in the future. If you know a kid is going to start his second year, I think you're better off getting him bloodied as a kick team guy that first year and letting him get used to the tempo and the physical nature of the game."

And this quote from Kramer is some real bull s***. During the game Swags and I had to tell Jeff whom to block.

Lydell · Post by **Lydell** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:31 am

wow....that post was a real show stopper. I guess that's what happens when you hear "the rest of the story" from someone whose "been there, done that."