Coaching Short List

bcats · Post by **bcats** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:54 pm

CPACAT wrote:
RedCat wrote:The problem with bringing in a big name guy is that they are only there to win for a couple of years no matter what the cost. MSU needs someone who plans to be there for a long period of time, not someone who sees this job as a stepping stone for better things to come. Someone who will not only bring in quality players, but quality people because they know that down the road they are going to be held accountable for the types of players they bring in. Someone who only plans on being there for a couple of years has the option to bring in a bunch of low-quality individuals, win some games, and leave the mess for someone else.

Before people jump down my throat on this I'm not saying that Kramer didn't bring in quality people.
Nothing wrong with hiring someone that uses us as a stepping stone. They are motivated to do well so they can move up the food chain. It has work well for the Grizzlies. We need to keep in mind we are not the end all be all of college football. If you hire someone whose only goal in life is to coach the Bobcats then when you hire them they have reached the pinnacle of their career. Is that what you want to have for a coach??

Change can be good as long as we bring in quality coaches with each hire it should not matter that we are a stepping stone.

As far as Van Diest goes I think he would be a great coach to bring in to interview. I would caution that sucess as Carroll does not guarantee success at MSU. He is recruiting from a different pool of athletes currently and it is important that we determine that he have the necessary connections to recruit a higher level of athletes. I am not saying he doesn't but that would be something the selection committee would ask.

I am sure there is a list of candidates out there that include people we have never heard of, I hope that we have a good selection committee in place as this would be a very important hire. We can continue our climb up in national prominence in 1AA or we can take a step back. Only time will tell.

I think you forget that the man that built that program was there for many years and retired a Grizzley. He built that program and every coach that has been there since rides his coat tails. It isn't hard to win at UM. They are the top program in AA and for good reason. MSU doesn't have what they have at this point in time. Kramer did a good job at getting us close but we need someone to carry the torch the rest of the way.

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:04 pm

Maybe we should stay with the bald guy motif:

http://www2.csc.edu/athletics/football/coaches.asp

poorgriz · Post by **poorgriz** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:10 pm

Come on people. Learn to read. I said someone like John L. Smith, not John L. Smith. What I am saying is that I want somone that has the ability to coach at the I-A level, but wants to coach for a team like the Cats. I don't think John L. was good coach, but there aren't many other names that I can think of that are at that level that would come down to 1-AA. Someone said Jerry Glanville, I would go for that. I also think that at some bigger schools you have great offensive and defensive coaches that want to get a head coaching start somewhere. Let's be that somewhere if they seem good enough.

Cat_gld · Post by **Cat_gld** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:14 pm

BelgradeBobcat wrote:Maybe we should stay with the bald guy motif:

http://www2.csc.edu/athletics/football/coaches.asp

Good choice!

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:50 pm

One thing's for sure... whoever gets the job will get thrown into the fire right off the bat... we're opening 2007 with a powerful Texas A&M team that beat Texas this year...

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:52 pm

catatac wrote:One thing's for sure... whoever gets the job will get thrown into the fire right off the bat... we're opening 2007 with a powerful Texas A&M team that beat Texas this year...

We've got'em right where we want'em.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:59 pm

Ya - and we'll know right off the bat if the new coach has the same knack for "playing to the level of competition". Speaking of which... wonder if that assistant coach for A&M is looking to move?

CPACAT · Post by **CPACAT** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:18 pm

bcats wrote:
poorgriz wrote:If someone like John L. Smith came here for two years, but helps us win a National Championship, who cares if he leaves right away. We need a coach who can come in and take us there right away. This is not a rebuilding year for us. We are a winning program, good young players, and all we need is a coach with the knowledge on how to finish what has been started. I would take someone like John L. over Van Diest anyday. I don't think someone like John L. would come to Bozeman though, not inless the money is there.
How many National Championships has John L. Smith won?

Mike Van Diest has 4 National Championships! Kramer and Van Diest are friends with similiar coaching philiosophies minus the roll punt. I'm sure Van Diest is well aware of what kind of a football team we have here and what we have accomplished over the last few years. Do you think John L. Smith has any idea what kind of a team we have?

John L. Smith is a nut job. Did you see some of the stuff he pulled at Michigan State? No way we want him.

I agree we should look at Van Diest but guess what? You don't get to bring those national championship with you. Just because you win national championships some place does not automactically make you a good fit at MSU.

I keep seeing people say the job should be his to turn down without considering any other candidates. Those people need to get real. Has Van Diest openly expressed interest in the MSU job if it comes open or is everyone assuming that he would automatically want the job?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:21 pm

I've seen UM partisans suggest that Van Diest wouldn't want the MSU job, but never seen any real confirmation of that or reasons why that might be. But the question is quite valid ... would he want the position, and would it be a position that he would aspire to enough to do a great job with?

I have no idea, but I'm sure any interview process that Fields would have in mind would answer that question.

CatsRback · Post by **CatsRback** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:27 pm

one thing about Van Diest - Carrol is a tough school, you actually have to study and play football there (unlike the U about 115 miles to the west ....

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Carrol and Montana State are probably more compatiable than Carrol and dUMb

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:27 pm

For what it's worth, I just called both Idaho's and our athletic department reference the rumored press conferences; both informed me telephonically there's nothing been determined by Idaho and therefore "Coach is up in his office reviewing recruiting information right now." according to our SID. "Press conference rumors are untrue."

I can't stand not knowing one way or the other. Time for a brew or few.

RedCat · Post by **RedCat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:34 pm

CPACAT wrote:
bcats wrote:
poorgriz wrote:If someone like John L. Smith came here for two years, but helps us win a National Championship, who cares if he leaves right away. We need a coach who can come in and take us there right away. This is not a rebuilding year for us. We are a winning program, good young players, and all we need is a coach with the knowledge on how to finish what has been started. I would take someone like John L. over Van Diest anyday. I don't think someone like John L. would come to Bozeman though, not inless the money is there.
How many National Championships has John L. Smith won?

Mike Van Diest has 4 National Championships! Kramer and Van Diest are friends with similiar coaching philiosophies minus the roll punt. I'm sure Van Diest is well aware of what kind of a football team we have here and what we have accomplished over the last few years. Do you think John L. Smith has any idea what kind of a team we have?
John L. Smith is a nut job. Did you see some of the stuff he pulled at Michigan State? No way we want him.

I agree we should look at Van Diest but guess what? You don't get to bring those national championship with you. Just because you win national championships some place does not automactically make you a good fit at MSU.

I keep seeing people say the job should be his to turn down without considering any other candidates. Those people need to get real. Has Van Diest openly expressed interest in the MSU job if it comes open or is everyone assuming that he would automatically want the job?

Actually he does get to bring those national championships with him. I don't think anybody will ever take those away from him.

Bcat · Post by **Bcat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:32 pm

I am on board for Van Diest, not too worried about the jump. Not only does he get the most out of his players, but his track record for developing talent is the highest in the state for any program. Plus, anyone accustomed to winning, and mainating a consitent winning record has the taste for winning, loosing will be a bad flavor to him! He is known within the Northwes, image attendance with him at the helm, folks will come out just to see if he can keep the Carrol thing going.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:41 pm

The griz have been successful having D11 or assistants at D1 schools so I think posters saying because Solomenson was a bust we should not look at D11 need to rethink. We made the playoffs and had a high profile win against Colorado so I think there will be interest out there that we are unaware of.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:55 pm

D11? Is that the division the likes of Montana Beauty School plays in?

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:59 pm

Bleedinbluengold wrote:D11? Is that the division the likes of Montana Beauty School plays in?

I saw that but let it go- that's Ralphs' job.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:00 pm

Maybe just try to give some input back on the question I posed. Division Two Football and Bowl Championship Series is that better.

cat_man_08 · Post by **cat_man_08** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:15 pm

couloir41 wrote:i don't think van deist is an upper division coach...

msu still needs someone who can press the flesh and raise revenue for the recruiting budget...the facilities...that takes some polish and i don't believe van deist is going to want to do fund raising...it does not seem to be in his personality or demeanor (sp)...

van deist is someone who would fit better at um or an established program that does not need a head coach to be a social animal...

van deist also has an interesting but negative reinforcement coaching style that i don't think will work at msu or other upper level athletic programs...that approach to coaching is archaic (sp) and kids don't respond to it well these days...just an opinion...

I think Van Diest isnt that bad at building a program up. He slowly built carroll up to a conference champ and then a national champ multiple times in a row. I don't care what level you are coaching at winning national championships is difficult.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:16 pm

Sorrrrrrryyyyyy.......I thought I was funny!

Knowing Fields like I do, he will give serious consideration to anyone who he thinks is qualified for the job, regardless of where they are now. He has a nice list of potential candidates already.

As little as I know about VanDiest, I do know that putting a winning program together makes raising money much easier...and BTW, Hauck spends as little time as possible with the boosters. So, making "raising money" a priority for the next MSU head football coach would be way over-rating the importance of such an attribute.

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:25 pm

tetoncat wrote:Maybe just try to give some input back on the question I posed. Division Two Football and Bowl Championship Series is that better.

Nothing serious, just pitching crap. NCAA uses Roman numerals, thus DI, DII, etc.

Hell, I'll but ya one.

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