2025 Defense outlook

[BelligerentBobcat]

The beautiful thing about not liking how somebody posts is you can just ignore it.


Right @Cataholic ?



In all seriousness, disagreeing and discussing is what makes message boards great. Obviously being a dickwad isn’t constructive, but these places are boring if we all talk about how right everybody is and never argue. I’m not here for an informational circle jerk, but that’s just me.

[BelligerentBobcat]

BBT, take a break.

Why should BBT do that? His posts are informative.

Why are they more informative than other ex players on the board. All of them have opinions that they inject their personal experiences into. Many on here see these prospects a lot at practices and scrimmages. They have seen how they and players before them have stacked up to FCS. He has interesting input, but it isn't necessarily the gospel

so 1. i should take a break. because why? everyone else gets to constantly post their thoughts. many of them are ill informed and just flat out wrong but I have a view that is vastly differently from many but i'm told that i need to take a break? i never have said what i post is gospel and since i've been here i haven't seen anyone told to stop posting unless they are way left. but for some reason i'm told i need to stop posting and because people appreciate reading what i post my posts are know deemed gospel? whether you agree, appreciate, or dislike it why should i stop? have i been mean, ugly, inflammatory?

2. nobody has said i'm any more informative than anyone else. yet again i'm being told to stop posting, why? i haven't seen ex player being told to stop posting. why am i being told to stop posting. i don't get it. once again i haven't been mean, ugly or called anyone out their name. everything i've said whether positive or negative i have tried to explain why i'm saying what i'm saying so that no one feels that i AM in fact being mean or ugly.

3. i have seen posters literally call players out their name, tell people not to support current players, make accusations on the character of current and former players and no one has told them to "take a break" but i'm just talking football and make football based analysis yet i'm told to "take a break" why? what have i said that says i need to take a break...again look at how people on this board have attack former players and current players.

I’ve never seen anybody tell people not to support current players.

[Cats and Dogs]

How good will the defense need to be in order to support the potential early season struggles on offense with a new QB, coordinator, 6 new starters,
etc? I would say they have to be better than last year and might need to be significantly better. The nucleus is there but a couple transfers with starter rotation potential at LB, DE, Corner, would be nice. D might have to be close to lock down for a return trip to the finals.

Given that the first two opponents next year are Oregon and South Dakota State, I think the answer is very good! After that the schedule lightens up considerably and MSU will have a lot more margin for error in terms of allowing younger and more inexperienced players in new roles to get up to speed. MSU just signed more freshman recruits today to go with their very large signing class from December, so I think at this point it's unrealistic to expect too many more incoming transfers until additional roster spots potentially come open during the spring portal window.

They don't need a ton but a couple veteran transfers on defense would be good to bolster the depth and competition, if they can find the right fits!

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

BBT, take a break.

Why should BBT do that? His posts are informative.

Why are they more informative than other ex players on the board. All of them have opinions that they inject their personal experiences into. Many on here see these prospects a lot at practices and scrimmages. They have seen how they and players before them have stacked up to FCS. He has interesting input, but it isn't necessarily the gospel

so 1. i should take a break. because why? everyone else gets to constantly post their thoughts. many of them are ill informed and just flat out wrong but I have a view that is vastly differently from many but i'm told that i need to take a break? i never have said what i post is gospel and since i've been here i haven't seen anyone told to stop posting unless they are way left. but for some reason i'm told i need to stop posting and because people appreciate reading what i post my posts are know deemed gospel? whether you agree, appreciate, or dislike it why should i stop? have i been mean, ugly, inflammatory?

2. nobody has said i'm any more informative than anyone else. yet again i'm being told to stop posting, why? i haven't seen ex player being told to stop posting. why am i being told to stop posting. i don't get it. once again i haven't been mean, ugly or called anyone out their name. everything i've said whether positive or negative i have tried to explain why i'm saying what i'm saying so that no one feels that i AM in fact being mean or ugly.

3. i have seen posters literally call players out their name, tell people not to support current players, make accusations on the character of current and former players and no one has told them to "take a break" but i'm just talking football and make football based analysis yet i'm told to "take a break" why? what have i said that says i need to take a break...again look at how people on this board have attack former players and current players.

I’ve never seen anybody tell people not to support current players.

If you'd like I can show you where a particular poster by name said to beware of sporting a current player because he just wants money and he's going to leave... that's basically saying don't support him...I can go get the post if you'd like.

Matter of fact it was being floated on here that supporters of msu should support our of state players less because they are more likely to leave and they should invest more resources in Montana players.

But yes let's focus on a minute piece of the post and not what the intent of the actual post was which is... why am I being asked to take a break when I've seen people have way worse takes and just be nasty towards former players and i've but done any of that.

[BelligerentBobcat]

BBT, take a break.

Why should BBT do that? His posts are informative.

Why are they more informative than other ex players on the board. All of them have opinions that they inject their personal experiences into. Many on here see these prospects a lot at practices and scrimmages. They have seen how they and players before them have stacked up to FCS. He has interesting input, but it isn't necessarily the gospel

so 1. i should take a break. because why? everyone else gets to constantly post their thoughts. many of them are ill informed and just flat out wrong but I have a view that is vastly differently from many but i'm told that i need to take a break? i never have said what i post is gospel and since i've been here i haven't seen anyone told to stop posting unless they are way left. but for some reason i'm told i need to stop posting and because people appreciate reading what i post my posts are know deemed gospel? whether you agree, appreciate, or dislike it why should i stop? have i been mean, ugly, inflammatory?

2. nobody has said i'm any more informative than anyone else. yet again i'm being told to stop posting, why? i haven't seen ex player being told to stop posting. why am i being told to stop posting. i don't get it. once again i haven't been mean, ugly or called anyone out their name. everything i've said whether positive or negative i have tried to explain why i'm saying what i'm saying so that no one feels that i AM in fact being mean or ugly.

3. i have seen posters literally call players out their name, tell people not to support current players, make accusations on the character of current and former players and no one has told them to "take a break" but i'm just talking football and make football based analysis yet i'm told to "take a break" why? what have i said that says i need to take a break...again look at how people on this board have attack former players and current players.

I’ve never seen anybody tell people not to support current players.

If you'd like I can show you where a particular poster by name said to beware of sporting a current player because he just wants money and he's going to leave... that's basically saying don't support him...I can go get the post if you'd like.

Matter of fact it was being floated on here that supporters of msu should sleeve less on our of state player negate the are more likely to leave and invest more resources in Montana players.

But yes let's focus on a minute piece of theb post and not what the intent of the actual post was which is... why am I being asked to take a break when I've seen prior have way worse takes and just be nasty towards former players and i've but done any of that.

Brother, you are taking all of this way too seriously. Reeeeeelax.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I gotta know BBT, where’d you play ball?

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

BBT, take a break.

Why should BBT do that? His posts are informative.

Why are they more informative than other ex players on the board. All of them have opinions that they inject their personal experiences into. Many on here see these prospects a lot at practices and scrimmages. They have seen how they and players before them have stacked up to FCS. He has interesting input, but it isn't necessarily the gospel

so 1. i should take a break. because why? everyone else gets to constantly post their thoughts. many of them are ill informed and just flat out wrong but I have a view that is vastly differently from many but i'm told that i need to take a break? i never have said what i post is gospel and since i've been here i haven't seen anyone told to stop posting unless they are way left. but for some reason i'm told i need to stop posting and because people appreciate reading what i post my posts are know deemed gospel? whether you agree, appreciate, or dislike it why should i stop? have i been mean, ugly, inflammatory?

2. nobody has said i'm any more informative than anyone else. yet again i'm being told to stop posting, why? i haven't seen ex player being told to stop posting. why am i being told to stop posting. i don't get it. once again i haven't been mean, ugly or called anyone out their name. everything i've said whether positive or negative i have tried to explain why i'm saying what i'm saying so that no one feels that i AM in fact being mean or ugly.

3. i have seen posters literally call players out their name, tell people not to support current players, make accusations on the character of current and former players and no one has told them to "take a break" but i'm just talking football and make football based analysis yet i'm told to "take a break" why? what have i said that says i need to take a break...again look at how people on this board have attack former players and current players.

I’ve never seen anybody tell people not to support current players.

If you'd like I can show you where a particular poster by name said to beware of sporting a current player because he just wants money and he's going to leave... that's basically saying don't support him...I can go get the post if you'd like.

Matter of fact it was being floated on here that supporters of msu should sleeve less on our of state player negate the are more likely to leave and invest more resources in Montana players.

But yes let's focus on a minute piece of theb post and not what the intent of the actual post was which is... why am I being asked to take a break when I've seen prior have way worse takes and just be nasty towards former players and i've but done any of that.

Brother, you are taking all of this way too seriously. Reeeeeelax.

I'm not taking anything too seriously..... I'm responding to your post that's it. There is literally no emotion behind it at all... if you're reading it that way that's on you. Again i've responded to posts that have been directed at me. There have been no bad words, nothing inflammatory... just responded and again I'm being told to relax and I'm not even animated... lolol

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

I gotta know BBT, where’d you play ball?

High academic fbs school in Texas

[BelligerentBobcat]

BBT, take a break.

Why should BBT do that? His posts are informative.

Why are they more informative than other ex players on the board. All of them have opinions that they inject their personal experiences into. Many on here see these prospects a lot at practices and scrimmages. They have seen how they and players before them have stacked up to FCS. He has interesting input, but it isn't necessarily the gospel

so 1. i should take a break. because why? everyone else gets to constantly post their thoughts. many of them are ill informed and just flat out wrong but I have a view that is vastly differently from many but i'm told that i need to take a break? i never have said what i post is gospel and since i've been here i haven't seen anyone told to stop posting unless they are way left. but for some reason i'm told i need to stop posting and because people appreciate reading what i post my posts are know deemed gospel? whether you agree, appreciate, or dislike it why should i stop? have i been mean, ugly, inflammatory?

2. nobody has said i'm any more informative than anyone else. yet again i'm being told to stop posting, why? i haven't seen ex player being told to stop posting. why am i being told to stop posting. i don't get it. once again i haven't been mean, ugly or called anyone out their name. everything i've said whether positive or negative i have tried to explain why i'm saying what i'm saying so that no one feels that i AM in fact being mean or ugly.

3. i have seen posters literally call players out their name, tell people not to support current players, make accusations on the character of current and former players and no one has told them to "take a break" but i'm just talking football and make football based analysis yet i'm told to "take a break" why? what have i said that says i need to take a break...again look at how people on this board have attack former players and current players.

I’ve never seen anybody tell people not to support current players.

If you'd like I can show you where a particular poster by name said to beware of sporting a current player because he just wants money and he's going to leave... that's basically saying don't support him...I can go get the post if you'd like.

Matter of fact it was being floated on here that supporters of msu should sleeve less on our of state player negate the are more likely to leave and invest more resources in Montana players.

But yes let's focus on a minute piece of theb post and not what the intent of the actual post was which is... why am I being asked to take a break when I've seen prior have way worse takes and just be nasty towards former players and i've but done any of that.

Brother, you are taking all of this way too seriously. Reeeeeelax.

I'm not taking anything to seriously..... I'm responding to your post that's it. There is peridot no emitting behind it at all... if you're reading it that way that's on you. Again i've responded to posts that have been directed at me. There is no bad words, nothing inflammatory... just responded and again I'm being told to relax and I'm not even animated... lolol

I didn’t explain well, I just mean, who cares if somebody said something dumb to you? It isn’t worth the effort. Just let it go.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I gotta know BBT, where’d you play ball?

High academic fbs school in Texas

Go Owls.

[catscat]

I know the discussion is next year's defense, but from a comparison standpoint, was Danny U a fast LB? Could he handle A to D gap? I know he dropped in coverage a fair amount, did this relieve pressure on the safeties? Was indicative of speed? I recognize that Danny U's experience far eclipsed Daily and Grebe's (or one of them would have been starting) so did his experience make up for not being "fast" or was he both fast and experienced?

[WetBreeches]

The DL looks elite. That sets up everyone else. MSU, in my opinion, looks really good on defense in 2025.

But are they fast

dl doesn't have to be fast....they need to be quick and explosive...short burst more than anything...for all linemen you really look at their 5yd and 10yd speed because that is where they do their work...a guy that can quickly get to the point with strength before the other person on the line, along with body leverage wins the battle...so yeah for them it does matter and can play a huge part......warren sapp....aaron donaldson...john randle....it does play a part

It was sarcasm,

i know

It was a long response if so.

I'm just giving you a hard time and trying to inject some levity.

i'm a long winded person by nature....every story is short story long....lol

Well...you are down in the southern part of the USA...an area I know to be inhabited by talkers...and I say that as a compliment...but bless your heart ...southern long winded is much more enjoyable than northern blowhard.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

BBT, take a break.

Why should BBT do that? His posts are informative.

Why are they more informative than other ex players on the board. All of them have opinions that they inject their personal experiences into. Many on here see these prospects a lot at practices and scrimmages. They have seen how they and players before them have stacked up to FCS. He has interesting input, but it isn't necessarily the gospel

so 1. i should take a break. because why? everyone else gets to constantly post their thoughts. many of them are ill informed and just flat out wrong but I have a view that is vastly differently from many but i'm told that i need to take a break? i never have said what i post is gospel and since i've been here i haven't seen anyone told to stop posting unless they are way left. but for some reason i'm told i need to stop posting and because people appreciate reading what i post my posts are know deemed gospel? whether you agree, appreciate, or dislike it why should i stop? have i been mean, ugly, inflammatory?

2. nobody has said i'm any more informative than anyone else. yet again i'm being told to stop posting, why? i haven't seen ex player being told to stop posting. why am i being told to stop posting. i don't get it. once again i haven't been mean, ugly or called anyone out their name. everything i've said whether positive or negative i have tried to explain why i'm saying what i'm saying so that no one feels that i AM in fact being mean or ugly.

3. i have seen posters literally call players out their name, tell people not to support current players, make accusations on the character of current and former players and no one has told them to "take a break" but i'm just talking football and make football based analysis yet i'm told to "take a break" why? what have i said that says i need to take a break...again look at how people on this board have attack former players and current players.

I’ve never seen anybody tell people not to support current players.

If you'd like I can show you where a particular poster by name said to beware of sporting a current player because he just wants money and he's going to leave... that's basically saying don't support him...I can go get the post if you'd like.

Matter of fact it was being floated on here that supporters of msu should sleeve less on our of state player negate the are more likely to leave and invest more resources in Montana players.

But yes let's focus on a minute piece of theb post and not what the intent of the actual post was which is... why am I being asked to take a break when I've seen prior have way worse takes and just be nasty towards former players and i've but done any of that.

Brother, you are taking all of this way too seriously. Reeeeeelax.

I'm not taking anything to seriously..... I'm responding to your post that's it. There is peridot no emitting behind it at all... if you're reading it that way that's on you. Again i've responded to posts that have been directed at me. There is no bad words, nothing inflammatory... just responded and again I'm being told to relax and I'm not even animated... lolol

I didn’t explain well, I just mean, who cares if somebody said something dumb to you? It isn’t worth the effort. Just let it go.

I'm here for engagement, so whey someone says that I engage. I float by little in life, if I see something I speak on it. And I always defend myself, not that I was attacked or anything here. The discourse intrigues me, so I address it. I'm a conversationalist by nature so I converse.. lolol

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

I gotta know BBT, where’d you play ball?

High academic fbs school in Texas

Go Owls.

Maybe maybe not..... you still got Baylor, smu, and tcu to choose from.... could be any of them

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

The DL looks elite. That sets up everyone else. MSU, in my opinion, looks really good on defense in 2025.

But are they fast

dl doesn't have to be fast....they need to be quick and explosive...short burst more than anything...for all linemen you really look at their 5yd and 10yd speed because that is where they do their work...a guy that can quickly get to the point with strength before the other person on the line, along with body leverage wins the battle...so yeah for them it does matter and can play a huge part......warren sapp....aaron donaldson...john randle....it does play a part

It was sarcasm,

i know

It was a long response if so.

I'm just giving you a hard time and trying to inject some levity.

i'm a long winded person by nature....every story is short story long....lol

Well...you are down in the southern part of the USA...an area I know to be inhabited by talkers...and I say that as a compliment...but bless your heart ...southern long winded is much more enjoyable than northern blowhard.

That's pretty funny..... it's a family trait I come by way of honestly..... the gpa on my mom's side and a multitude of family in my dad's side were very accomplished story tellers.

[Joe Bobcat]

I gotta know BBT, where’d you play ball?

High academic fbs school in Texas

Go Owls.

Maybe maybe not..... you still got Baylor, smu, and tcu to choose from.... could be any of them

Heck I thought that if you were a Bobcat built Texan it meant that you were a Texas State University Bobcat Alum

[onceacat]

I gotta know BBT, where’d you play ball?

High academic fbs school in Texas

I'll just say thisZ: Sometimes I think you are wrong, but you always have thoughtful & insightful posts, even if I disagree with your conclusions.

People like you are what make social media sites like BN work.

Thanks for your thoughtful perspective & keep on making these sorts of posts.

[onceacat]

I gotta know BBT, where’d you play ball?

High academic fbs school in Texas

Go Owls.

Maybe maybe not..... you still got Baylor, smu, and tcu to choose from.... could be any of them

LOL, I thought you said a school with high academic standards!

[ilovethecats]

BBT, take a break.

Why should BBT do that? His posts are informative.

Why are they more informative than other ex players on the board. All of them have opinions that they inject their personal experiences into. Many on here see these prospects a lot at practices and scrimmages. They have seen how they and players before them have stacked up to FCS. He has interesting input, but it isn't necessarily the gospel

That was quite the leap Teton!

Tom said his posts are informative. Which they are. You'll have to show me where anyone said they are MORE informative than others or that his words are gospel. I missed that.

That said, like in all walks of life, it is certainly possible that one former player could be more knowledgeable than other former players. All is not equal just because people made it to the same level of play. But I haven't seen anyone say that. However, my personal opinion is that BBT have become one of my favorite reads on this board.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

I gotta know BBT, where’d you play ball?

High academic fbs school in Texas

Go Owls.

Maybe maybe not..... you still got Baylor, smu, and tcu to choose from.... could be any of them

LOL, I thought you said a school with high academic standards!

I see what you did there