Thanks Andre Fuller!

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:35 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
bobcatgrad2005 wrote:So if Andre is cleared of charges do I want him to return to the Bobcats? Nope. I have a 5 year old nephew, and I refuse to knowingly expose him to any type of roll model who is involved in illegal substances.
How about alchohol in the hands of anyone under 21?

Alcohol is a controlled substance--not illegal. Right or wrong I think there is a difference.

bobcatgrad2005 · Post by **bobcatgrad2005** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:36 pm

In the eyes of the law, it is illegal. Did I drink under 21, yes. Was accepting money to play a college sport and thus knowingly or not be a role model for every kid in the satdium watching my play? no. I took my risks, but those risks only stood to harm me, not MSU, or the athletic or biology department.

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:40 pm

bobcatgrad2005 wrote:In the eyes of the law, it is illegal. Did I drink under 21, yes. Was accepting money to play a college sport and thus knowingly or not be a role model for every kid in the satdium watching my play? no. I took my risks, but those risks only stood to harm me, not MSU, or the athletic or biology department.

Actually your right it is illegal to drink under 21. But alcohol is not an illegal substance--it is controlled. Does somebody with 10 cases of beer selling it to minors get felony intent to distribute--I don't think so. There is a difference.

1BadBobcat · Post by **1BadBobcat** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:44 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
bobcatgrad2005 wrote:So if Andre is cleared of charges do I want him to return to the Bobcats? Nope. I have a 5 year old nephew, and I refuse to knowingly expose him to any type of roll model who is involved in illegal substances.
How about alchohol in the hands of anyone under 21?

I personally don't condone that either.

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:22 pm

crazycat wrote:I assume you'll all be back on here to take back your caustic words IF Fuller is found not guilty. I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty, but why stick your neck out at this point? Very few details have been released and probably won't be for quite a while. I assume that the cops have this transaction on tape, but that hasn't been stated anywhere that I've seen. Informant in the cop world has a pretty wide definition.

Nope won't take back my words. Go home Fuller. Go home all you bobcat athletes who think they are rock stars. You aren't. This is Montana. In a few short years you will be lowly employees of some business who also won't think so. Get real. You should be held to a higher standard. You have young children who watch you and think your ****** don't stink. Act accordingly. (by the way I can smell you waaaayyyy over here.)

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:29 pm

bobcatmaniac wrote:
crazycat wrote:I assume you'll all be back on here to take back your caustic words IF Fuller is found not guilty. I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty, but why stick your neck out at this point? Very few details have been released and probably won't be for quite a while. I assume that the cops have this transaction on tape, but that hasn't been stated anywhere that I've seen. Informant in the cop world has a pretty wide definition.
Nope won't take back my words. Go home Fuller. Go home all you bobcat athletes who think they are rock stars. You aren't. This is Montana. In a few short years you will be lowly employees of some business who also won't think so. Get real. You should be held to a higher standard. You have young children who watch you and think your ****** don't stink. Act accordingly. (by the way I can smell you waaaayyyy over here.)

So if Fuller's not guilty, you still don't like him? Just want to be sure on this. If so, I don't think that's very nice.

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:30 pm

crazycat wrote:
bobcatmaniac wrote:
crazycat wrote:I assume you'll all be back on here to take back your caustic words IF Fuller is found not guilty. I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty, but why stick your neck out at this point? Very few details have been released and probably won't be for quite a while. I assume that the cops have this transaction on tape, but that hasn't been stated anywhere that I've seen. Informant in the cop world has a pretty wide definition.
Nope won't take back my words. Go home Fuller. Go home all you bobcat athletes who think they are rock stars. You aren't. This is Montana. In a few short years you will be lowly employees of some business who also won't think so. Get real. You should be held to a higher standard. You have young children who watch you and think your ****** don't stink. Act accordingly. (by the way I can smell you waaaayyyy over here.)
So if Fuller's not guilty, you still don't like him? Just want to be sure on this. If so, I don't think that's very nice.

You are really reaching if you think he is innocent.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:32 pm

He bought

tampa_griz · Post by **tampa_griz** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:45 pm

bobcatmaniac wrote:
crazycat wrote:
bobcatmaniac wrote:
crazycat wrote:I assume you'll all be back on here to take back your caustic words IF Fuller is found not guilty. I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty, but why stick your neck out at this point? Very few details have been released and probably won't be for quite a while. I assume that the cops have this transaction on tape, but that hasn't been stated anywhere that I've seen. Informant in the cop world has a pretty wide definition.
Nope won't take back my words. Go home Fuller. Go home all you bobcat athletes who think they are rock stars. You aren't. This is Montana. In a few short years you will be lowly employees of some business who also won't think so. Get real. You should be held to a higher standard. You have young children who watch you and think your ****** don't stink. Act accordingly. (by the way I can smell you waaaayyyy over here.)
So if Fuller's not guilty, you still don't like him? Just want to be sure on this. If so, I don't think that's very nice.
You are really reaching if you think he is innocent.

I concur. The chances that the Missouri River Drug Task Force conspired to set him up....or that this is all a big misunderstanding......are pretty doubtful.

Of course as far as legal ramifications go we'll have to sit back and let the proper people deal with all of that. But as far as representing Bobcat Football and Montana State University it should be curtains for him.......NOW!

bozbobcat · Post by **bozbobcat** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:03 pm

bobcatmaniac wrote:
crazycat wrote:I assume you'll all be back on here to take back your caustic words IF Fuller is found not guilty. I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty, but why stick your neck out at this point? Very few details have been released and probably won't be for quite a while. I assume that the cops have this transaction on tape, but that hasn't been stated anywhere that I've seen. Informant in the cop world has a pretty wide definition.
Nope won't take back my words. Go home Fuller. Go home all you bobcat athletes who think they are rock stars. You aren't. This is Montana. In a few short years you will be lowly employees of some business who also won't think so. Get real. You should be held to a higher standard. You have young children who watch you and think your ****** don't stink. Act accordingly. (by the way I can smell you waaaayyyy over here.)

That's exactly what I think. They are in a position where kids will think they're wonderful and they should live up to a certain standard of conduct, as all students should. But since they are so visible, the athletes need to recognize their positions as role models, whether they like it or not. A person needs to go out and do the best they can at all times in the world. That's my philosophy.

And to Fuller specifically, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:06 pm

As much as I despise our state courts, perhaps someone could explain to me (for my own peace of mind as most of my experience has been with federal courts) why if it is in fact felony distribution, this case was not handled by the feds as I assume this is a federal offense and I'm still puzzled why it took six months for the arrest. Did the feds simply refuse to take the case?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:19 pm

This is far out of my wheelhouse of knowledge, but wouldn't it only be a federal case if it involved moving the materials across state lines? So if a guy was just the last leg in a deal, maybe it's purely a local issue? I assume cocaine sales are illegal under MT law as well? Or is it only illegal under federal law?

The more I write, the more I realize that I know nothing about this topic.

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:19 pm

bobcatmaniac wrote:
crazycat wrote:
bobcatmaniac wrote:
crazycat wrote:I assume you'll all be back on here to take back your caustic words IF Fuller is found not guilty. I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty, but why stick your neck out at this point? Very few details have been released and probably won't be for quite a while. I assume that the cops have this transaction on tape, but that hasn't been stated anywhere that I've seen. Informant in the cop world has a pretty wide definition.
Nope won't take back my words. Go home Fuller. Go home all you bobcat athletes who think they are rock stars. You aren't. This is Montana. In a few short years you will be lowly employees of some business who also won't think so. Get real. You should be held to a higher standard. You have young children who watch you and think your ****** don't stink. Act accordingly. (by the way I can smell you waaaayyyy over here.)
So if Fuller's not guilty, you still don't like him? Just want to be sure on this. If so, I don't think that's very nice.
You are really reaching if you think he is innocent.

I never said I think he's innocent or guilty. I'm saying I don't know. I tend to think that he's probably done something, but until I'm certain I'm not going to ostrasize him.

Why would anyone calling themselves an American want to assume someone's guilt and hand down a judgement/punishment before giving that person their say? I seem to recall that being one of the tenants that we formed this country upon.

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:21 pm

[quote="Bay Area Cat"]This is far out of my wheelhouse of knowledge, but wouldn't it only be a federal case if it involved moving the materials across state lines? So if a guy was just the last leg in a deal, maybe it's purely a local issue? I assume cocaine sales are illegal under MT law as well? Or is it only illegal under federal law?

The more I write, the more I realize that I know nothing about this topic.[/quote]

Yes, we'd all be wise to think of this before we start plunking our keyboards.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:30 pm

crazycat wrote:
bobcatmaniac wrote:
crazycat wrote:I assume you'll all be back on here to take back your caustic words IF Fuller is found not guilty. I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty, but why stick your neck out at this point? Very few details have been released and probably won't be for quite a while. I assume that the cops have this transaction on tape, but that hasn't been stated anywhere that I've seen. Informant in the cop world has a pretty wide definition.
Nope won't take back my words. Go home Fuller. Go home all you bobcat athletes who think they are rock stars. You aren't. This is Montana. In a few short years you will be lowly employees of some business who also won't think so. Get real. You should be held to a higher standard. You have young children who watch you and think your ****** don't stink. Act accordingly. (by the way I can smell you waaaayyyy over here.)
So if Fuller's not guilty, you still don't like him? Just want to be sure on this. If so, I don't think that's very nice.

Hmmmm. Not sure on that one. OJ wasn't found guilty and I still don't think I like him very much...

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:01 pm

crazycat wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:This is far out of my wheelhouse of knowledge, but wouldn't it only be a federal case if it involved moving the materials across state lines? So if a guy was just the last leg in a deal, maybe it's purely a local issue? I assume cocaine sales are illegal under MT law as well? Or is it only illegal under federal law?

The more I write, the more I realize that I know nothing about this topic.[/quote]

Yes, we'd all be wise to think of this before we start plunking our keyboards.

Give the kid his day in court.

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:09 pm

catatac wrote:
crazycat wrote:
bobcatmaniac wrote:
crazycat wrote:I assume you'll all be back on here to take back your caustic words IF Fuller is found not guilty. I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty, but why stick your neck out at this point? Very few details have been released and probably won't be for quite a while. I assume that the cops have this transaction on tape, but that hasn't been stated anywhere that I've seen. Informant in the cop world has a pretty wide definition.
Nope won't take back my words. Go home Fuller. Go home all you bobcat athletes who think they are rock stars. You aren't. This is Montana. In a few short years you will be lowly employees of some business who also won't think so. Get real. You should be held to a higher standard. You have young children who watch you and think your ****** don't stink. Act accordingly. (by the way I can smell you waaaayyyy over here.)
So if Fuller's not guilty, you still don't like him? Just want to be sure on this. If so, I don't think that's very nice.
Hmmmm. Not sure on that one. OJ wasn't found guilty and I still don't think I like him very much...

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:24 pm

catatac wrote:
crazycat wrote:
bobcatmaniac wrote:
crazycat wrote:I assume you'll all be back on here to take back your caustic words IF Fuller is found not guilty. I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty, but why stick your neck out at this point? Very few details have been released and probably won't be for quite a while. I assume that the cops have this transaction on tape, but that hasn't been stated anywhere that I've seen. Informant in the cop world has a pretty wide definition.
Nope won't take back my words. Go home Fuller. Go home all you bobcat athletes who think they are rock stars. You aren't. This is Montana. In a few short years you will be lowly employees of some business who also won't think so. Get real. You should be held to a higher standard. You have young children who watch you and think your ****** don't stink. Act accordingly. (by the way I can smell you waaaayyyy over here.)
So if Fuller's not guilty, you still don't like him? Just want to be sure on this. If so, I don't think that's very nice.
Hmmmm. Not sure on that one. OJ wasn't found guilty and I still don't think I like him very much...

Well you got me there. But, c'mon. You know what I mean.

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:21 pm

I seriously think these guys who think they are gods gift to MSU, women and the general public better take a good long look at themselves. They are by far in the minority in athletics, don't get me wrong. Look at TL. Couldn't meet a nicer guy. Played so well and was, and still is adored by all the fans. Humble guy. These other losers we have been reading about lately, whether they are found guilty or not, are not behaving in a manner that MSU athletes should. Shouldn't even be around the stuff, even if he wasn't selling. Don't even be near it, or be associated with anybody having anything to do with it. Birds of a feather...it is very true. Bet you didn't see TL there, or Daly, or Force. That is why I say go home to all the losers. We don't need you.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:34 pm

bobcatmaniac wrote:I seriously think these guys who think they are gods gift to MSU, women and the general public better take a good long look at themselves. They are by far in the minority in athletics, don't get me wrong. Look at TL. Couldn't meet a nicer guy. Played so well and was, and still is adored by all the fans. Humble guy. These other losers we have been reading about lately, whether they are found guilty or not, are not behaving in a manner that MSU athletes should. Shouldn't even be around the stuff, even if he wasn't selling. Don't even be near it, or be associated with anybody having anything to do with it. Birds of a feather...it is very true. Bet you didn't see TL there, or Daly, or Force. That is why I say go home to all the losers. We don't need you.

I agree. Last year when our players were announced during the Cat\Griz game, (I didn't see it because I was at the game but heard it was pretty embarassing), several of them did the - dressed up, pimped out, gansta, I'm cool look. When my Griz fan buddy was making fun of them for that I took the approach of, "they can dress and act however they want as long as they are all business and throw all that garbage out the window when it comes to playing for the Montana State Bobcats." Obviously at least a couple of these guys really were going for the gangsta lifestyle and they completely disrespected our program. I honestly wouldn't mind if Kramer went to the extreme and adopted an old-school dress code, and code of conduct for these players... on and OFF the field. Where's Bobby knight when you need him?

And Crazycat - I'll give you that. If this turns out to be a huge setup and Andre was never associated with a drug ring in any way, shape, or form... I will completely and totally forgive him and retract all the negative things I've said about him.