Attn: Doug Fullerton

Cledus · Post by **Cledus** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:23 am

I have written an email to Fullerton regarding this call by the official. I encourage everyone who disagrees with the call to do the same. If you choose to write to Fullerton, keep it clean and respectful otherwise it could be more damaging than helpful.

Here's the link to write to Fullerton:

http://bigskyconf.com/feedback.asp

Here's what I wrote:

Commissioner Fullerton,

I would like to express my extreme displeasure with the "call" in the MSU-UNC football game with approximately 5:00 left to play in the 4th quarter.

Mike Jefferson had control of the ball with one foot in the end zone. The line judge standing right there signaled a touchdown, yet was overruled by the senior official who had a less clear view of the play as it happened. Based on the replays over the big screen, I don't see how a reasonable person could conclude there was an interception. Furthermore, I have the game recorded on DVR and have replayed it time and time again. In all cases, I come to the conclusion the head referree made a grave error.

Although the call did not change the game's outcome, there is absolutely no excuse for what happened. There is absolutely no excuse any Big Sky Conference fan, student, or coach should have to accept such poor officiating.

I strongly encourage you to take disciplinary action against the official who refused to trust the judgment of the line judge who stood right over the play as it occurred. In addition, I strongly encourage you to address the fans of the Big Sky Conference through the media and assert nothing less than the best effort is acceptable.

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:35 am

Cledus,
Great job.

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:40 am

Does anyone have a link to somewhere that has that play?
I saw it live....started high-fiving and cheering, and then total let-down. Watched the replay on the big screen, and thought that he caught it, got at least one-foot down, maybe even two, and then had it pulled from his hands. It shouldv'e been a TD, but I'd like to see it again.

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:42 am

Great letter. I will get one off also.

Cledus · Post by **Cledus** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:42 am

I'm not 100% certain, but I think you can purchase DVD's from KULR 8.

Even though I have it on DVR, I'm not certain how transfer it to my computer and convert it to a video clip. If anybody knows how to do that I'll give it a try and then post it where everyone can access it.

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:52 am

I've sent my letter

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:31 am

My 2 cents worth: How about the run by Groves 2 plays before the Jefferson TD???

Groves has the ball on his chest, with his shoulders & head in the end zone, and the idiot side judge comes running in, saying he was down at the 1 inch line? On TV it appeared he clearly broke the plane with the ball and all the Cats were celebrating & signalling a TD. Get that one right, it's 20-3, game over, and the Jefferson play never happens.

Or what about the mystery PF facemask on UNC's next 4th down? You couldn't see it on TV but I've NEVER heard of a DB facemasking a receiver WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE BALL NOR EVEN A PLAY ON THE BALL! I have to believe that facemask happened AFTER we had possession of the ball. As I said, you couldn't see the "infraction" on TV, was that one a bad call too?

Add in the 4th down GIFT that the refs gave the Griz in their game and the zebras damned-near singlehandedly handed them the outright conference championship in about a 5 minute span!

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:12 am

El_Gato wrote:My 2 cents worth: How about the run by Groves 2 plays before the Jefferson TD???

Groves has the ball on his chest, with his shoulders & head in the end zone, and the idiot side judge comes running in, saying he was down at the 1 inch line? On TV it appeared he clearly broke the plane with the ball and all the Cats were celebrating & signalling a TD. Get that one right, it's 20-3, game over, and the Jefferson play never happens.

Or what about the mystery PF facemask on UNC's next 4th down? You couldn't see it on TV but I've NEVER heard of a DB facemasking a receiver WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE BALL NOR EVEN A PLAY ON THE BALL! I have to believe that facemask happened AFTER we had possession of the ball. As I said, you couldn't see the "infraction" on TV, was that one a bad call too?

Add in the 4th down GIFT that the refs gave the Griz in their game and the zebras damned-near singlehandedly handed them the outright conference championship in about a 5 minute span!

This just about sums up the Big Sky. Now, one more reason why Boysee, Nevada and Idaho left this conference?

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:15 am

Every single time I watch our EWU game, I get the same empty feeling I get after watching another one of our Conference's finest. It's really getting old.

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:15 am

barechestcat wrote:
BobCatFan wrote:
barechestcat wrote:
STREETCAT wrote:after getting a second look at the game that I recorded the call could have gone either way. He had both feet down but the corner had his hands on the ball too. In that situation Jefferson needs to put up a fight or just go down. Definatly a questionalbe call
I guess I disagree here. Jefferson came down with the ball solely and a split second later the defender came in. At that point, though, it doesn't matter. It was already a touchdown.

RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!
I was trying to watch both games yestereday. I saw the touchdown and thought that should be the winning td for the Cats. I switched over to the Griz came and when I came back, I saw the Cats intercept the ball only for it to be called back. What the f^^^. What happened to 7 points and why was that not a turnover.
I totally missed the play. I was with my children yesterday and one of them had asked me a question on the play.

Somone else please take us through that play?

If you are referring to the turnover I can give you what I saw. They called a 15 yard facemask on, which I have no idea who did it and where. I thought the UNC receiver pushed off of our defender, first of all. Then the pass was overthrown and Force intercepted the ball. That's what I got from that play.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:17 pm

BobCatFan wrote:

Now you know what the Cats have been putting up with all these years. The Griz are the luckest team in the conference and they get ever call their way. I was watching that play and the TV annoucers were dismaded with the spot of ball.

We are not only the luckest team in our conference, we are the luckest team in all of IAA. No wait, in all of college football, no of all football, no thats not right either. We are the luckest team of all time in any sport in the world. Damn it's great being a GRIZ!!!!!

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:39 pm

I think the facemask penalty was a good call, as it looked to me as though Henderson did grab the facemask of the intended receiver on that play...the "interception" was utterly ridiculous though. The only refs worse than BSC football refs are BSC basketball ones.

DriftCat · Post by **DriftCat** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:35 pm

THe only problem with your letter Cledus is that Jefferson clearly had BOTH of his feet down WITH possesion of the football BEFORE the defender even touched the football. TOUCHDOWN. The was the worst F'N call I have ever witnessed.

Regarding the facemask, do the refs EVER call the 5 yard variety? I did not see any facemask on the play but if there was one it could not have been too flagrant. Oh wait, UNC needed 6 yards for the first down, five would not have cut it.

MAGOO · Post by **MAGOO** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:17 pm

I was at the game; astounded by the call; and joined in the booing until I was horse. I've written Doug Fullerton before (after Coach K was suspended for his remarks), and received --- weeks later --- a cutesy, whipped cream response. So an individual fan writing the Conference chief does no good. However, I am going to write a letter to AD Fields, with a copy to President Gamble, concerning my extreme dissatisfaction with MSU's continued membership in the Big Sky Conference --- the refereeing being but one example of the crap our school has to put up with. I will request that either our AD or our President send an open letter to Fullerton demanding an apology and an explanation of why the continual poor refereeing that member schools must endure. Perhaps it is time for MSU to consider aligning itself with a different conference.

info197176 · Post by **info197176** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:04 pm

Mods: Cat Grad shold be banned for his two foul outbursts on this board..to think he is a teacher in our public schools...

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:16 pm

info197176 wrote:Mods: Cat Grad shold be banned for his two foul outbursts on this board..to think he is a teacher in our public schools...

You're like that little kid that would always tattle when someone said or did something wrong.

Get a life!

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:41 pm

info197176 wrote:Mods: Cat Grad shold be banned for his two foul outbursts on this board..to think he is a teacher in our public schools...

Are you still one of our officials

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:13 pm

Don't the University's run the conference. I think the one we need to complain to is Gamble. We need a push by all members to get rid of Fullerton. He is not a dictator, god or any other high power. Just get rid of him if he will not make changes. Of course we can't complain about specific calls at that level, but I sure think they can demand accountability from the officials and the league office, especially if they have the power to suspend our Coaches and players.

STREETCAT · Post by **STREETCAT** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:43 am

El_Gato wrote:My 2 cents worth: How about the run by Groves 2 plays before the Jefferson TD???

Groves has the ball on his chest, with his shoulders & head in the end zone, and the idiot side judge comes running in, saying he was down at the 1 inch line? On TV it appeared he clearly broke the plane with the ball and all the Cats were celebrating & signalling a TD. Get that one right, it's 20-3, game over, and the Jefferson play never happens.

Or what about the mystery PF facemask on UNC's next 4th down? You couldn't see it on TV but I've NEVER heard of a DB facemasking a receiver WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE BALL NOR EVEN A PLAY ON THE BALL! I have to believe that facemask happened AFTER we had possession of the ball. As I said, you couldn't see the "infraction" on TV, was that one a bad call too?

Add in the 4th down GIFT that the refs gave the Griz in their game and the zebras damned-near singlehandedly handed them the outright conference championship in about a 5 minute span!

I beg to differ on the facemask call. I have it on dvr and you can clearly see Beach trying to jam the guy at the line. And as the reciever runs buy he grabs the facemask and almost pulls the guy to the ground.

Scrogger · Post by **Scrogger** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:11 am

Cledus wrote:I have written an email to Fullerton regarding this call by the official. I encourage everyone who disagrees with the call to do the same. If you choose to write to Fullerton, keep it clean and respectful otherwise it could be more damaging than helpful.

Here's the link to write to Fullerton:

http://bigskyconf.com/feedback.asp

Here's what I wrote:

Commissioner Fullerton,

I would like to express my extreme displeasure with the "call" in the MSU-UNC football game with approximately 5:00 left to play in the 4th quarter.

Mike Jefferson had control of the ball with one foot in the end zone. The line judge standing right there signaled a touchdown, yet was overruled by the senior official who had a less clear view of the play as it happened. Based on the replays over the big screen, I don't see how a reasonable person could conclude there was an interception. Furthermore, I have the game recorded on DVR and have replayed it time and time again. In all cases, I come to the conclusion the head referree made a grave error.

Although the call did not change the game's outcome, there is absolutely no excuse for what happened. There is absolutely no excuse any Big Sky Conference fan, student, or coach should have to accept such poor officiating.

I strongly encourage you to take disciplinary action against the official who refused to trust the judgment of the line judge who stood right over the play as it occurred. In addition, I strongly encourage you to address the fans of the Big Sky Conference through the media and assert nothing less than the best effort is acceptable.

Sorry in advance because I did not see the game or the call. Just wondering if I am reading this correctly. Are you saying that the White Hat over ruled the Line judge on this call?

If that is the case then I agree that all of the officials should be banned from officiating. In all of my years of calling games I have never seen the White Hat make a call on complete or incomplete passes, except for the motion of the arm. His main responsibility is the QB.