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[Catsrgrood]

I know this has been commented on ad nauseam, but I'd really like to see the master plan they have for stadium expansion. No, not that seven year old, so-called, master plan that got everyone excited, but the one that takes into account what the stadium looks like with the current BAC design and scoreboard location. I'm just a fan and not an architect, but I really can't visualize more than two or three rows of seats in the endzone, if we take into account the scoreboard location, want to put a party area underneath the stands, and don't want to cover up the views from the BAC windows. I know everyone is curious what this new endzone area will look like in the future.

I agree, I’ve been thinking the same thing.

The 20 year master plan is great, but it’s more of a big picture idea and things have changed and shifted and are bound to again as it progresses.
Now that we’re 7+ years into it and can check off a couple of the major things that were in there (BAC and IPF), I would love to see kind of a revised 10-15 year plan, but one that gets into a little more specifics on the stadium.

Is the east side really next in line? What does that look like? Same capacity, bigger, smaller, how many box suites, etc?

North endzone; are the plans to build the seating elevated to keep an area for a field level cabana/suite? Do they just do a few rows as low as they can up to the bottom of the BAC windows? Do they include some kind of “wings” for lack of a better term, in the corners of the endzone on either side of the scoreboard for more seating?

A lot of questions, all stuff that we all like to talk about and debate on here, but it’d be nice to see something a little more official and updated from the university. Realizing nothing is final until money is raised and architects/engineers have done their thing, but it’d be cool see what the updated end goal looks like now.

There is not a lot of expansion to be had. The replacement of the East side stands to match the height and pitch of the South End Zone does not add seats. The space under the BAC adds little. The only "expansion" is the Northeast and Northwest corners which would add about 2000 seats. Beyond that you would have to build up and the last I heard was expansion over a rebuilt East side would be for suites which is not a ton of seats but a lot of money coming in. Without a major Project (tear down and rebuild) we are near capacity.

I don’t expect them to be adding 10-15k seats, but with what they can do, I’d imagine they could do a decent amount of expanding.

I know matching the endzone height and pitch would actually lose a couple rows, but I’d imagine they’d fill that gap in the southwest corner between the south end zone and the current east side, which would add a couple hundred seats, and then depending on what they do for suites, that’d add a couple hundred to the capacity as well. So my educated guess is that at worse, the capacity would be the same, at best it would grow by a couple hundred. The revenue benefit is more in what the suites would bring in than it would be the extra butts in the seats.
To the average fan, the benefit would just be that it looks way nicer and more like a cohesive plan than the pieced together look it currently has.

In the southeast and southwest corners, depending on how aggressive they wanted to get, there is a lot of room for expansion. If they again matched the height and pitch of the south end zone from where the east bleachers end to roughly where the scoreboard starts. And then the same thing on the other side, from the end of the west side to the beginning of the scoreboard, that’d add at least 2k per corner, not 2k total.

And having even 5-6 rows at the bottom that connects the west side to the east side, matching what is done in the south end zone, that would add at least 1-2k seats I’d think.

And then the final part of that 20 year was actually to replace the west side too. There are a lot of suites currently, but actually not much bleacher seating at all. If they do anything remotely like what they want to do with the east side and have it be 30+ rows of seats and then suites, that would add a good amount to the capacity. But I know that’s by far the lowest need and would be years down the road if it happens at all.

So it seems like there is a fairly straightforward path to adding maybe 6-7k seats. But again, I guess that’s my point, I’d love to see what their general plan is with what they have done now and where they plan on taking it all next. I can speculate all day long, but I’m not in the know. I could be way off.

[coloradocat]

I know this has been commented on ad nauseam, but I'd really like to see the master plan they have for stadium expansion. No, not that seven year old, so-called, master plan that got everyone excited, but the one that takes into account what the stadium looks like with the current BAC design and scoreboard location. I'm just a fan and not an architect, but I really can't visualize more than two or three rows of seats in the endzone, if we take into account the scoreboard location, want to put a party area underneath the stands, and don't want to cover up the views from the BAC windows. I know everyone is curious what this new endzone area will look like in the future.

My only apprehension on an updated master plan is that those things cost a lot of money. I'd rather they just work on raising money for physical changes than another vision board. Maybe send out high level communications to the public on what the next one or two projects are but that's about it. I wouldn't even expect that until the IPF officially opens.

I'm not saying a full fledge master plan like the old one, that cost around $100K, if I remember correctly. The athletic department must have thought what the future stadium would look like though before they built the BAC and upgraded the scoreboard. I can't fathom them just plopping the BAC and new scoreboard in place and not thinking out how they would put seating in there in the future. There must be some sort of a plan of what the future would look like with these major projects in place, what an end zone would look like. Kmax has written that he saw some sort of plan to build an elevated North end zone with a party area underneath. So, the Cats must have something in place. As a longtime Bobcat fan, it's just interesting to me to see what their vision for the future of the stadium is.

I'm $ure they would $how you the plan$ if you $aid the magic word$.

I'm sure they would, but If I had game changing money for them, then all their projects would have already been funded. I do donate more than my fair share as a regular Bobcat fan though but I don't expect for them to answer my questions. However, just for the fun of discussion, it would be nice to see what they have planned.

I'm right there with you wishing they would communicate more information more often to the general public/non-whales. They probably assume they're off the hook until the IPF opens, especially with the season right around the corner. Maybe we'll get something next Jan/Feb. That would keep us all busy for months.

[snowxlt]

Im trying to buy parking. Does "Delivery Method Not Valid" mean its sold out?

Same here. FUBAR. I am in the que for the ticket office to try the old school way....actually talking to a human.

I hung when there were 86 people in front of me. Haha

I ended up calling in for same reason, I could not get parking to work either on their website. Only had to wait 40 people in que. I think there will be many people who will show up this year, not so happy. Most pay parking lots will be taken before 1st game of season near the stadium. Unless the parking next to Museum of Rockies is opened up for gamedays pay parking. The one positive I see of paying for parking i can show up 1 hour before game and have a guaranteed parking spot instead of 2 hours before. I also wonder if they will be doing towing of cars in these lots the night or morning before games to ensure proper amount of spots sold. I was told if i have a paid spot, "there will be a place for me to park inside that parking lot." I picked lot 13 next to MSU police station.

[Camo_Cat]

I know this has been commented on ad nauseam, but I'd really like to see the master plan they have for stadium expansion. No, not that seven year old, so-called, master plan that got everyone excited, but the one that takes into account what the stadium looks like with the current BAC design and scoreboard location. I'm just a fan and not an architect, but I really can't visualize more than two or three rows of seats in the endzone, if we take into account the scoreboard location, want to put a party area underneath the stands, and don't want to cover up the views from the BAC windows. I know everyone is curious what this new endzone area will look like in the future.

I agree, I’ve been thinking the same thing.

The 20 year master plan is great, but it’s more of a big picture idea and things have changed and shifted and are bound to again as it progresses.
Now that we’re 7+ years into it and can check off a couple of the major things that were in there (BAC and IPF), I would love to see kind of a revised 10-15 year plan, but one that gets into a little more specifics on the stadium.

Is the east side really next in line? What does that look like? Same capacity, bigger, smaller, how many box suites, etc?

North endzone; are the plans to build the seating elevated to keep an area for a field level cabana/suite? Do they just do a few rows as low as they can up to the bottom of the BAC windows? Do they include some kind of “wings” for lack of a better term, in the corners of the endzone on either side of the scoreboard for more seating?

A lot of questions, all stuff that we all like to talk about and debate on here, but it’d be nice to see something a little more official and updated from the university. Realizing nothing is final until money is raised and architects/engineers have done their thing, but it’d be cool see what the updated end goal looks like now.

There is not a lot of expansion to be had. The replacement of the East side stands to match the height and pitch of the South End Zone does not add seats. The space under the BAC adds little. The only "expansion" is the Northeast and Northwest corners which would add about 2000 seats. Beyond that you would have to build up and the last I heard was expansion over a rebuilt East side would be for suites which is not a ton of seats but a lot of money coming in. Without a major Project (tear down and rebuild) we are near capacity.

I don’t expect them to be adding 10-15k seats, but with what they can do, I’d imagine they could do a decent amount of expanding.

I know matching the endzone height and pitch would actually lose a couple rows, but I’d imagine they’d fill that gap in the southwest corner between the south end zone and the current east side, which would add a couple hundred seats, and then depending on what they do for suites, that’d add a couple hundred to the capacity as well. So my educated guess is that at worse, the capacity would be the same, at best it would grow by a couple hundred. The revenue benefit is more in what the suites would bring in than it would be the extra butts in the seats.
To the average fan, the benefit would just be that it looks way nicer and more like a cohesive plan than the pieced together look it currently has.

In the southeast and southwest corners, depending on how aggressive they wanted to get, there is a lot of room for expansion. If they again matched the height and pitch of the south end zone from where the east bleachers end to roughly where the scoreboard starts. And then the same thing on the other side, from the end of the west side to the beginning of the scoreboard, that’d add at least 2k per corner, not 2k total.

And having even 5-6 rows at the bottom that connects the west side to the east side, matching what is done in the south end zone, that would add at least 1-2k seats I’d think.

And then the final part of that 20 year was actually to replace the west side too. There are a lot of suites currently, but actually not much bleacher seating at all. If they do anything remotely like what they want to do with the east side and have it be 30+ rows of seats and then suites, that would add a good amount to the capacity. But I know that’s by far the lowest need and would be years down the road if it happens at all.

So it seems like there is a fairly straightforward path to adding maybe 6-7k seats. But again, I guess that’s my point, I’d love to see what their general plan is with what they have done now and where they plan on taking it all next. I can speculate all day long, but I’m not in the know. I could be way off.

Hmmmmmmm...I think I know of a school really, really close by that has excellent schools of architecture and engineering. I wonder if they could come up with something???

[CodyCat]

Im trying to buy parking. Does "Delivery Method Not Valid" mean its sold out?

Same here. FUBAR. I am in the que for the ticket office to try the old school way....actually talking to a human.

I hung when there were 86 people in front of me. Haha

I ended up calling in for same reason, I could not get parking to work either on their website. Only had to wait 40 people in que. I think there will be many people who will show up this year, not so happy. Most pay parking lots will be taken before 1st game of season near the stadium. Unless the parking next to Museum of Rockies is opened up for gamedays pay parking. The one positive I see of paying for parking i can show up 1 hour before game and have a guaranteed parking spot instead of 2 hours before. I also wonder if they will be doing towing of cars in these lots the night or morning before games to ensure proper amount of spots sold. I was told if i have a paid spot, "there will be a place for me to park inside that parking lot." I picked lot 13 next to MSU police station.

I was able to call as well and get parking passes.

I really think MSU needs to do a big press release; newpapers, TV, social media explaining the paid lots, and explaining that they must be paid for in advance and the pass will be on your phone. When I first read about paid lots, I just figured I'd bring $20 cash and pay when we got there. Gold Rush is always nuts and this will likely throw a huge wrinkle into that.

Im still baffled at the times I dont get emails from MSU. I've been a season ticket holder since 2010, donated on several occasions and still dont get all the emails. If it werent for my dad sending me a text message last week asking about the email, I would have zero clue that parking passes went on sale this morning.

[coloradocat]

Im trying to buy parking. Does "Delivery Method Not Valid" mean its sold out?

Same here. FUBAR. I am in the que for the ticket office to try the old school way....actually talking to a human.

I hung when there were 86 people in front of me. Haha

I ended up calling in for same reason, I could not get parking to work either on their website. Only had to wait 40 people in que. I think there will be many people who will show up this year, not so happy. Most pay parking lots will be taken before 1st game of season near the stadium. Unless the parking next to Museum of Rockies is opened up for gamedays pay parking. The one positive I see of paying for parking i can show up 1 hour before game and have a guaranteed parking spot instead of 2 hours before. I also wonder if they will be doing towing of cars in these lots the night or morning before games to ensure proper amount of spots sold. I was told if i have a paid spot, "there will be a place for me to park inside that parking lot." I picked lot 13 next to MSU police station.

For the last handful of years we've been parking in the lot next to the parking garage that is now ADA-only and were disappointed with that being taken away but the police station lot is the next best lot. Easy in and out. We got a pass for there as well.

[AFCAT]

Im trying to buy parking. Does "Delivery Method Not Valid" mean its sold out?

Same here. FUBAR. I am in the que for the ticket office to try the old school way....actually talking to a human.

I hung when there were 86 people in front of me. Haha

I ended up calling in for same reason, I could not get parking to work either on their website. Only had to wait 40 people in que. I think there will be many people who will show up this year, not so happy. Most pay parking lots will be taken before 1st game of season near the stadium. Unless the parking next to Museum of Rockies is opened up for gamedays pay parking. The one positive I see of paying for parking i can show up 1 hour before game and have a guaranteed parking spot instead of 2 hours before. I also wonder if they will be doing towing of cars in these lots the night or morning before games to ensure proper amount of spots sold. I was told if i have a paid spot, "there will be a place for me to park inside that parking lot." I picked lot 13 next to MSU police station.

I was able to call as well and get parking passes.

I really think MSU needs to do a big press release; newpapers, TV, social media explaining the paid lots, and explaining that they must be paid for in advance and the pass will be on your phone. When I first read about paid lots, I just figured I'd bring $20 cash and pay when we got there. Gold Rush is always nuts and this will likely throw a huge wrinkle into that.

Im still baffled at the times I dont get emails from MSU. I've been a season ticket holder since 2010, donated on several occasions and still dont get all the emails. If it werent for my dad sending me a text message last week asking about the email, I would have zero clue that parking passes went on sale this morning.

I purchased my season ticket holder parking passes way back on April 1st. I still have the e-mail they sent me. Yeah, you need to get a hold of someone in the ticket office and make sure they get you on a mailing list.

[PapaG]

I think that’s gonna kill my 1 vacation this year. No way my wife can do SRO with her conditions. And the scalpers are out in full force. 300 dollars is the cheapest if you’re cool with the far corners of section 108 or 116. I hope these folks feel some shame for the kind of markup they’re putting on all the Cat Griz tix.

Shame? Why? Supply and demand! Been this way forever.

Hasn't been this way forever.

yeah scalpers always ruin things, take tickets from real fans

I bought 4 SRO tickets for Cat-Gris for $117.50/each this morning via the ticket office. My wife also got 2 single game tickets for Maine simultaneously. Tickets were available for those who wanted to get online and buy them.

I definitely need to get in line for season tickets, though, when some pop up over the coming years.

[Montanabob]

looks like some of the games are already sold out of all seats including SRO.
so of you will have to wait until schools start to return them for resale.

[AFCAT]

[kennethnoisewater]

I know this has been commented on ad nauseam, but I'd really like to see the master plan they have for stadium expansion. No, not that seven year old, so-called, master plan that got everyone excited, but the one that takes into account what the stadium looks like with the current BAC design and scoreboard location. I'm just a fan and not an architect, but I really can't visualize more than two or three rows of seats in the endzone, if we take into account the scoreboard location, want to put a party area underneath the stands, and don't want to cover up the views from the BAC windows. I know everyone is curious what this new endzone area will look like in the future.

I actually think you could pretty easily get ~1,200 seats in front of the BAC if you make the bleachers fairly shallow. If every row of bleachers is 10" high, you could get 15 rows and the top row of bleachers is only about 13' high, which doesn't block the view from the BAC windows. Bottom rows would be crappy seats, but that's the view the cabanas have anyway. Even if you elevated the bottom row to about 4 feet, the top bleacher is still below the window I believe...or at least below the sightline where people are standing inside those offices. Bleachers would come out 30' and you'd have some sort of walkway in front with a railing that would come out about 5'. It would also create a tunnel where the team could walk out before games and add to that whole runout instead of them just walking out some random doors.

Shallow bleachers aren't the best, but I was at a Fiesta Bowl in Glendale one time and they have these really shallow bleachers where the field rolls out of the stadium, and they were fine.

[AFCAT]

I know this has been commented on ad nauseam, but I'd really like to see the master plan they have for stadium expansion. No, not that seven year old, so-called, master plan that got everyone excited, but the one that takes into account what the stadium looks like with the current BAC design and scoreboard location. I'm just a fan and not an architect, but I really can't visualize more than two or three rows of seats in the endzone, if we take into account the scoreboard location, want to put a party area underneath the stands, and don't want to cover up the views from the BAC windows. I know everyone is curious what this new endzone area will look like in the future.

I actually think you could pretty easily get ~1,200 seats in front of the BAC if you make the bleachers fairly shallow. If every row of bleachers is 10" high, you could get 15 rows and the top row of bleachers is only about 13' high, which doesn't block the view from the BAC windows. Bottom rows would be crappy seats, but that's the view the cabanas have anyway. Even if you elevated the bottom row to about 4 feet, the top bleacher is still below the window I believe...or at least below the sightline where people are standing inside those offices. Bleachers would come out 30' and you'd have some sort of walkway in front with a railing that would come out about 5'. It would also create a tunnel where the team could walk out before games and add to that whole runout instead of them just walking out some random doors.

Shallow bleachers aren't the best, but I was at a Fiesta Bowl in Glendale one time and they have these really shallow bleachers where the field rolls out of the stadium, and they were fine.

Now, start your first row raised at the height of the Cabanas (remember, they want to put a party area underneath the stands that looks out on to the field, so starting point around 7-8 feet high) and only go as far back as the scoreboard pilings, since you don't want too many obstructed sight lines, and don't go above the BAC windows. Walkway would be along the BAC windows, if they want it to extend around the stadium to meet up with the current walk way.

[RockyBearCat]

I know this has been commented on ad nauseam, but I'd really like to see the master plan they have for stadium expansion. No, not that seven year old, so-called, master plan that got everyone excited, but the one that takes into account what the stadium looks like with the current BAC design and scoreboard location. I'm just a fan and not an architect, but I really can't visualize more than two or three rows of seats in the endzone, if we take into account the scoreboard location, want to put a party area underneath the stands, and don't want to cover up the views from the BAC windows. I know everyone is curious what this new endzone area will look like in the future.

I actually think you could pretty easily get ~1,200 seats in front of the BAC if you make the bleachers fairly shallow. If every row of bleachers is 10" high, you could get 15 rows and the top row of bleachers is only about 13' high, which doesn't block the view from the BAC windows. Bottom rows would be crappy seats, but that's the view the cabanas have anyway. Even if you elevated the bottom row to about 4 feet, the top bleacher is still below the window I believe...or at least below the sightline where people are standing inside those offices. Bleachers would come out 30' and you'd have some sort of walkway in front with a railing that would come out about 5'. It would also create a tunnel where the team could walk out before games and add to that whole runout instead of them just walking out some random doors.

Shallow bleachers aren't the best, but I was at a Fiesta Bowl in Glendale one time and they have these really shallow bleachers where the field rolls out of the stadium, and they were fine.

Now, start your first row raised at the height of the Cabanas (remember, they want to put a party area underneath the stands that looks out on to the field, so starting point around 7-8 feet high) and only go as far back as the scoreboard pilings and don't go above the windows. Walkway would be along the BAC windows, if they want it to extend around the stadium like the current one does.

Yep, this is the gotcha. Would be a cool look, but not a ton of seating. Something like this only with the party/cabana area under the seats.

[AFCAT]

I know this has been commented on ad nauseam, but I'd really like to see the master plan they have for stadium expansion. No, not that seven year old, so-called, master plan that got everyone excited, but the one that takes into account what the stadium looks like with the current BAC design and scoreboard location. I'm just a fan and not an architect, but I really can't visualize more than two or three rows of seats in the endzone, if we take into account the scoreboard location, want to put a party area underneath the stands, and don't want to cover up the views from the BAC windows. I know everyone is curious what this new endzone area will look like in the future.

I actually think you could pretty easily get ~1,200 seats in front of the BAC if you make the bleachers fairly shallow. If every row of bleachers is 10" high, you could get 15 rows and the top row of bleachers is only about 13' high, which doesn't block the view from the BAC windows. Bottom rows would be crappy seats, but that's the view the cabanas have anyway. Even if you elevated the bottom row to about 4 feet, the top bleacher is still below the window I believe...or at least below the sightline where people are standing inside those offices. Bleachers would come out 30' and you'd have some sort of walkway in front with a railing that would come out about 5'. It would also create a tunnel where the team could walk out before games and add to that whole runout instead of them just walking out some random doors.

Shallow bleachers aren't the best, but I was at a Fiesta Bowl in Glendale one time and they have these really shallow bleachers where the field rolls out of the stadium, and they were fine.

Now, start your first row raised at the height of the Cabanas (remember, they want to put a party area underneath the stands that looks out on to the field, so starting point around 7-8 feet high) and only go as far back as the scoreboard pilings and don't go above the windows. Walkway would be along the BAC windows, if they want it to extend around the stadium like the current one does.

Yep, this is the gotcha. Would be a cool look, but not a ton of seating. Something like this only with the party/cabana area under the seats.

That looks frigin awesome though, but , like you wrote, not a ton of extra seating for the fans. Put the big scoreboard pilings in there too and it decreases the potential seating area even more.

[ClowderUp]

The SRO strategy is bold. $100 per SRO ticket for the Brawl brought in ~$300k, which is as much as some BSC schools sell for a whole season. They could have jacked up the Idaho game too, and something tells me the athletics department feels they left a bunch of money on the table by not doing so.

[CodyCat]

I know this has been commented on ad nauseam, but I'd really like to see the master plan they have for stadium expansion. No, not that seven year old, so-called, master plan that got everyone excited, but the one that takes into account what the stadium looks like with the current BAC design and scoreboard location. I'm just a fan and not an architect, but I really can't visualize more than two or three rows of seats in the endzone, if we take into account the scoreboard location, want to put a party area underneath the stands, and don't want to cover up the views from the BAC windows. I know everyone is curious what this new endzone area will look like in the future.

I actually think you could pretty easily get ~1,200 seats in front of the BAC if you make the bleachers fairly shallow. If every row of bleachers is 10" high, you could get 15 rows and the top row of bleachers is only about 13' high, which doesn't block the view from the BAC windows. Bottom rows would be crappy seats, but that's the view the cabanas have anyway. Even if you elevated the bottom row to about 4 feet, the top bleacher is still below the window I believe...or at least below the sightline where people are standing inside those offices. Bleachers would come out 30' and you'd have some sort of walkway in front with a railing that would come out about 5'. It would also create a tunnel where the team could walk out before games and add to that whole runout instead of them just walking out some random doors.

Shallow bleachers aren't the best, but I was at a Fiesta Bowl in Glendale one time and they have these really shallow bleachers where the field rolls out of the stadium, and they were fine.

Now, start your first row raised at the height of the Cabanas (remember, they want to put a party area underneath the stands that looks out on to the field, so starting point around 7-8 feet high) and only go as far back as the scoreboard pilings and don't go above the windows. Walkway would be along the BAC windows, if they want it to extend around the stadium like the current one does.

Yep, this is the gotcha. Would be a cool look, but not a ton of seating. Something like this only with the party/cabana area under the seats.

That looks frigin awesome though, but , like you wrote, not a ton of extra seating for the fans. Put the big scoreboard pilings in there too and it decreases the potential seating area even more.

Anything is more than what we have now. I could see it being 1000 extra seats. They could sell those seat by seat or even use those as SRO, first come first serve.

Im still adamant that MSU should pay the bill for stadium renovations and pay it off over time. There really is no need for it to be funded by donors when its going to bring MSU money. I also think this needs to happen ASAP. MSU is losing money right now by not expanding the stadium.

[Bocephus]

I know this has been commented on ad nauseam, but I'd really like to see the master plan they have for stadium expansion. No, not that seven year old, so-called, master plan that got everyone excited, but the one that takes into account what the stadium looks like with the current BAC design and scoreboard location. I'm just a fan and not an architect, but I really can't visualize more than two or three rows of seats in the endzone, if we take into account the scoreboard location, want to put a party area underneath the stands, and don't want to cover up the views from the BAC windows. I know everyone is curious what this new endzone area will look like in the future.

I actually think you could pretty easily get ~1,200 seats in front of the BAC if you make the bleachers fairly shallow. If every row of bleachers is 10" high, you could get 15 rows and the top row of bleachers is only about 13' high, which doesn't block the view from the BAC windows. Bottom rows would be crappy seats, but that's the view the cabanas have anyway. Even if you elevated the bottom row to about 4 feet, the top bleacher is still below the window I believe...or at least below the sightline where people are standing inside those offices. Bleachers would come out 30' and you'd have some sort of walkway in front with a railing that would come out about 5'. It would also create a tunnel where the team could walk out before games and add to that whole runout instead of them just walking out some random doors.

Shallow bleachers aren't the best, but I was at a Fiesta Bowl in Glendale one time and they have these really shallow bleachers where the field rolls out of the stadium, and they were fine.

Now, start your first row raised at the height of the Cabanas (remember, they want to put a party area underneath the stands that looks out on to the field, so starting point around 7-8 feet high) and only go as far back as the scoreboard pilings and don't go above the windows. Walkway would be along the BAC windows, if they want it to extend around the stadium like the current one does.

Yep, this is the gotcha. Would be a cool look, but not a ton of seating. Something like this only with the party/cabana area under the seats.

That looks frigin awesome though, but , like you wrote, not a ton of extra seating for the fans. Put the big scoreboard pilings in there too and it decreases the potential seating area even more.

Anything is more than what we have now. I could see it being 1000 extra seats. They could sell those seat by seat or even use those as SRO, first come first serve.

Im still adamant that MSU should pay the bill for stadium renovations and pay it off over time. There really is no need for it to be funded by donors when its going to bring MSU money. I also think this needs to happen ASAP. MSU is losing money right now by not expanding the stadium.

I think you could also put seating above the BAC windows. There must be some beams/structure they can tie into to support it. Most NFL stadiums have mid level boxes.

[AFCAT]

I know this has been commented on ad nauseam, but I'd really like to see the master plan they have for stadium expansion. No, not that seven year old, so-called, master plan that got everyone excited, but the one that takes into account what the stadium looks like with the current BAC design and scoreboard location. I'm just a fan and not an architect, but I really can't visualize more than two or three rows of seats in the endzone, if we take into account the scoreboard location, want to put a party area underneath the stands, and don't want to cover up the views from the BAC windows. I know everyone is curious what this new endzone area will look like in the future.

I actually think you could pretty easily get ~1,200 seats in front of the BAC if you make the bleachers fairly shallow. If every row of bleachers is 10" high, you could get 15 rows and the top row of bleachers is only about 13' high, which doesn't block the view from the BAC windows. Bottom rows would be crappy seats, but that's the view the cabanas have anyway. Even if you elevated the bottom row to about 4 feet, the top bleacher is still below the window I believe...or at least below the sightline where people are standing inside those offices. Bleachers would come out 30' and you'd have some sort of walkway in front with a railing that would come out about 5'. It would also create a tunnel where the team could walk out before games and add to that whole runout instead of them just walking out some random doors.

Shallow bleachers aren't the best, but I was at a Fiesta Bowl in Glendale one time and they have these really shallow bleachers where the field rolls out of the stadium, and they were fine.

Now, start your first row raised at the height of the Cabanas (remember, they want to put a party area underneath the stands that looks out on to the field, so starting point around 7-8 feet high) and only go as far back as the scoreboard pilings and don't go above the windows. Walkway would be along the BAC windows, if they want it to extend around the stadium like the current one does.

Yep, this is the gotcha. Would be a cool look, but not a ton of seating. Something like this only with the party/cabana area under the seats.

That looks frigin awesome though, but , like you wrote, not a ton of extra seating for the fans. Put the big scoreboard pilings in there too and it decreases the potential seating area even more.

Anything is more than what we have now. I could see it being 1000 extra seats. They could sell those seat by seat or even use those as SRO, first come first serve.

Im still adamant that MSU should pay the bill for stadium renovations and pay it off over time. There really is no need for it to be funded by donors when its going to bring MSU money. I also think this needs to happen ASAP. MSU is losing money right now by not expanding the stadium.

I think you could also put seating above the BAC windows. There must be some beams/structure they can tie into to support it. Most NFL stadiums have mid level boxes.

You're going to have to build pretty high to see over the scoreboard and some fairly obstructed views from the side.

[coloradocat]

I know this has been commented on ad nauseam, but I'd really like to see the master plan they have for stadium expansion. No, not that seven year old, so-called, master plan that got everyone excited, but the one that takes into account what the stadium looks like with the current BAC design and scoreboard location. I'm just a fan and not an architect, but I really can't visualize more than two or three rows of seats in the endzone, if we take into account the scoreboard location, want to put a party area underneath the stands, and don't want to cover up the views from the BAC windows. I know everyone is curious what this new endzone area will look like in the future.

I actually think you could pretty easily get ~1,200 seats in front of the BAC if you make the bleachers fairly shallow. If every row of bleachers is 10" high, you could get 15 rows and the top row of bleachers is only about 13' high, which doesn't block the view from the BAC windows. Bottom rows would be crappy seats, but that's the view the cabanas have anyway. Even if you elevated the bottom row to about 4 feet, the top bleacher is still below the window I believe...or at least below the sightline where people are standing inside those offices. Bleachers would come out 30' and you'd have some sort of walkway in front with a railing that would come out about 5'. It would also create a tunnel where the team could walk out before games and add to that whole runout instead of them just walking out some random doors.

Shallow bleachers aren't the best, but I was at a Fiesta Bowl in Glendale one time and they have these really shallow bleachers where the field rolls out of the stadium, and they were fine.

Now, start your first row raised at the height of the Cabanas (remember, they want to put a party area underneath the stands that looks out on to the field, so starting point around 7-8 feet high) and only go as far back as the scoreboard pilings and don't go above the windows. Walkway would be along the BAC windows, if they want it to extend around the stadium like the current one does.

Yep, this is the gotcha. Would be a cool look, but not a ton of seating. Something like this only with the party/cabana area under the seats.

That looks frigin awesome though, but , like you wrote, not a ton of extra seating for the fans. Put the big scoreboard pilings in there too and it decreases the potential seating area even more.

Anything is more than what we have now. I could see it being 1000 extra seats. They could sell those seat by seat or even use those as SRO, first come first serve.

Im still adamant that MSU should pay the bill for stadium renovations and pay it off over time. There really is no need for it to be funded by donors when its going to bring MSU money. I also think this needs to happen ASAP. MSU is losing money right now by not expanding the stadium.

I wonder if the return isn't enough for the number of extra seats with the cost of construction. Also, didn't they kind of get burned with the expansion in the 90s (?) trying to fund with future revenues and that's why they have to have 100% up front now? I might have just made that up in my head but for some reason I thought that was why we don't budget based on future revenue projections.

[kennethnoisewater]

I know this has been commented on ad nauseam, but I'd really like to see the master plan they have for stadium expansion. No, not that seven year old, so-called, master plan that got everyone excited, but the one that takes into account what the stadium looks like with the current BAC design and scoreboard location. I'm just a fan and not an architect, but I really can't visualize more than two or three rows of seats in the endzone, if we take into account the scoreboard location, want to put a party area underneath the stands, and don't want to cover up the views from the BAC windows. I know everyone is curious what this new endzone area will look like in the future.

I actually think you could pretty easily get ~1,200 seats in front of the BAC if you make the bleachers fairly shallow. If every row of bleachers is 10" high, you could get 15 rows and the top row of bleachers is only about 13' high, which doesn't block the view from the BAC windows. Bottom rows would be crappy seats, but that's the view the cabanas have anyway. Even if you elevated the bottom row to about 4 feet, the top bleacher is still below the window I believe...or at least below the sightline where people are standing inside those offices. Bleachers would come out 30' and you'd have some sort of walkway in front with a railing that would come out about 5'. It would also create a tunnel where the team could walk out before games and add to that whole runout instead of them just walking out some random doors.

Shallow bleachers aren't the best, but I was at a Fiesta Bowl in Glendale one time and they have these really shallow bleachers where the field rolls out of the stadium, and they were fine.

Now, start your first row raised at the height of the Cabanas (remember, they want to put a party area underneath the stands that looks out on to the field, so starting point around 7-8 feet high) and only go as far back as the scoreboard pilings and don't go above the windows. Walkway would be along the BAC windows, if they want it to extend around the stadium like the current one does.

Yep, this is the gotcha. Would be a cool look, but not a ton of seating. Something like this only with the party/cabana area under the seats.

That looks frigin awesome though, but , like you wrote, not a ton of extra seating for the fans. Put the big scoreboard pilings in there too and it decreases the potential seating area even more.

Anything is more than what we have now. I could see it being 1000 extra seats. They could sell those seat by seat or even use those as SRO, first come first serve.

Im still adamant that MSU should pay the bill for stadium renovations and pay it off over time. There really is no need for it to be funded by donors when its going to bring MSU money. I also think this needs to happen ASAP. MSU is losing money right now by not expanding the stadium.

I wonder if the return isn't enough for the number of extra seats with the cost of construction. Also, didn't they kind of get burned with the expansion in the 90s (?) trying to fund with future revenues and that's why they have to have 100% up front now? I might have just made that up in my head but for some reason I thought that was why we don't budget based on future revenue projections.

That rings a bell for me too. I think that's why it's called Martel Field...pretty sure they (Martel Construction) forgave some of the debt and considered it a contribution.

Using public funds for sports is a touchy subject for a lot of people, unless you're talking about kids' sports facilities--stuff for everybody. I happen to be in favor of it when you can prove the ROI, and I think MSU could. But I think there would be a lot of people against doing that. At the very least I'd prefer MSU waits until interest rates go down, because ultimately they're borrowing money unless they're taking from endowment funds, which I don't like.