Askelson Targeting Penalty

[exppi]

I was a part of the chorus of boo's on this one! Watched the replay 20 times when I got home and still can't understand what they saw. Did they have an angle that we couldn't see? Was it because the QB had just started his slide? I don't know, but after time to think about it, I can't imagine they were trying to be malicious in any way. It's just too bad that a young man is losing valuable playing time as a result of a very questionable call. The roughing the QB call, and PI were borderline, so those could easily have been no calls. I think having all 3 on the same series was tough to swallow, but hey we WON and that's what matters most in the end.

It's a damn tough job to be a referee in this day and age, and I know they are trying to do their best. So, it's probably time to ease up a bit and remember they are human too.

Not that it matters, but what do these guys and gals get paid? Just curious.

Probably not enough to handle all the criticism they get when they make a bad call. You couldn't pay me enough to put on a zebra shirt and blow a whistle. No thank you!

Oh, I agree. When I was a kid, I actually got a 15 yard penalty in football and two technicals in basketball as a fan. I’ve mellowed a bit since then. I have a lot of respect for officials now but I do believe they should be corrected/educated by Big Sky management when they screw up.

That’s where I get upset. Multiple years of bad calls and not just in Cat games. The conference doesn’t seem to do much when the refing crew screws up. I’d be less inclined to yell and scream if there was progress and actual recognition some folks make massive blunders in the field.

[Cataholic]

Colter mentioned on his show that our coaches should request to have the targeting call reviewed by conference officials to overturn the suspension. Sounds like there is some type of review process for these suspensions.

[tdub]

Colter mentioned on his show that our coaches should request to have the targeting call reviewed by conference officials to overturn the suspension. Sounds like there is some type of review process for these suspensions.

What suspension was he referring to, I wonder? Can’t go back in time and put him back in the game. First half penalty means he’s eligible for the next game.

[MSU01]

Colter mentioned on his show that our coaches should request to have the targeting call reviewed by conference officials to overturn the suspension. Sounds like there is some type of review process for these suspensions.

What suspension was he referring to, I wonder? Can’t go back in time and put him back in the game. First half penalty means he’s eligible for the next game.

I'm assuming Colter meant a review of the call itself and whether it should have been made. I believe there's a rule that says a player who commits three targeting fouls in a season gets a 1-game suspension, so overturning the call against Nolan would help in the unlikely event that he gets called for it again twice later in the season.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Total fake slide called by Barnum, trying to invoke a late hit. Who slides 5 yards before the first down marker on 3rd down. The way he slid so fast and immediate was telling. Vigen should have smacked him upside the head after the game.

Take your punk A$$ garbage football back to Portland.

What was fake about the slide?

Heck, I wish Tommy did it more.

[Bocephus]

Total fake slide called by Barnum, trying to invoke a late hit. Who slides 5 yards before the first down marker on 3rd down. The way he slid so fast and immediate was telling. Vigen should have smacked him upside the head after the game.

Take your punk A$$ garbage football back to Portland.

What was fake about the slide?

Heck, I wish Tommy did it more.

Sliding to draw a penalty. Designed play.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Total fake slide called by Barnum, trying to invoke a late hit. Who slides 5 yards before the first down marker on 3rd down. The way he slid so fast and immediate was telling. Vigen should have smacked him upside the head after the game.

Take your punk A$$ garbage football back to Portland.

What was fake about the slide?

Heck, I wish Tommy did it more.

Sliding to draw a penalty. Designed play.

I think that’s a little too conspiracy theory for me.

[PapaG]

Total fake slide called by Barnum, trying to invoke a late hit. Who slides 5 yards before the first down marker on 3rd down. The way he slid so fast and immediate was telling. Vigen should have smacked him upside the head after the game.

Take your punk A$$ garbage football back to Portland.

What was fake about the slide?

Heck, I wish Tommy did it more.

Sliding to draw a penalty. Designed play.

I think that’s a little too conspiracy theory for me.

If the entire Portland State sideline wasn’t screaming for a targeting review, I’d brush it off as coincidence too. But, they were adamant about it which lends to the thought of it being a planned play.

[Camo_Cat]

Total fake slide called by Barnum, trying to invoke a late hit. Who slides 5 yards before the first down marker on 3rd down. The way he slid so fast and immediate was telling. Vigen should have smacked him upside the head after the game.

Take your punk A$$ garbage football back to Portland.

What was fake about the slide?

Heck, I wish Tommy did it more.

Sliding to draw a penalty. Designed play.

I think that’s a little too conspiracy theory for me.

If the entire Portland State sideline wasn’t screaming for a targeting review, I’d brush it off as coincidence too. But, they were adamant about it which lends to the thought of it being a planned play.

I hate to say it, but when I watched the play live, I immediately thought that's what PSU was trying to do - draw the targeting flag. When the PSU QB started his slide, you could see there was no way he was going to get the first down. And he started his slide almost immediately after taking off, so it wasn't a typical QB draw intended to pick up 3-5 yards; he went down right away. You could see the PSU sideline all calling for a penalty almost before the play was over. It was just a weird playcall, and I can only believe the intended outcome was to draw a flag. I don't know if it was targeting that they were hoping to draw, but a roughing the QB call at a minimum.

[BelligerentBobcat]

You guys sound like the Griz fans that thought the Sac State defender hurt their QB intentionally.

[technoCat]

Total fake slide called by Barnum, trying to invoke a late hit. Who slides 5 yards before the first down marker on 3rd down. The way he slid so fast and immediate was telling. Vigen should have smacked him upside the head after the game.

Take your punk A$$ garbage football back to Portland.

What was fake about the slide?

Heck, I wish Tommy did it more.

You mean like when he got his head bounced off the turf at EWU?

[BelligerentBobcat]

Total fake slide called by Barnum, trying to invoke a late hit. Who slides 5 yards before the first down marker on 3rd down. The way he slid so fast and immediate was telling. Vigen should have smacked him upside the head after the game.

Take your punk A$$ garbage football back to Portland.

What was fake about the slide?

Heck, I wish Tommy did it more.

You mean like when he got his head bounced off the turf at EWU?

You’re right. He’s also thrown interceptions, should probably never pass again. Also been hurt running, better never run the ball either.

[PapaG]

You guys sound like the Griz fans that thought the Sac State defender hurt their QB intentionally.

No, not really at all. It was an odd place to slide on 3rd down for a running QB. I’m not saying it was for sure a deliberate play call, but there’s enough odd about it to not rule it out.

[PapaG]

Total fake slide called by Barnum, trying to invoke a late hit. Who slides 5 yards before the first down marker on 3rd down. The way he slid so fast and immediate was telling. Vigen should have smacked him upside the head after the game.

Take your punk A$$ garbage football back to Portland.

What was fake about the slide?

Heck, I wish Tommy did it more.

You mean like when he got his head bounced off the turf at EWU?

You’re right. He’s also thrown interceptions, should probably never pass again. Also been hurt running, better never run the ball either.

Ha. This dude is itching for an argument. The belligerence taking over again?

[BelligerentBobcat]

Total fake slide called by Barnum, trying to invoke a late hit. Who slides 5 yards before the first down marker on 3rd down. The way he slid so fast and immediate was telling. Vigen should have smacked him upside the head after the game.

Take your punk A$$ garbage football back to Portland.

What was fake about the slide?

Heck, I wish Tommy did it more.

You mean like when he got his head bounced off the turf at EWU?

You’re right. He’s also thrown interceptions, should probably never pass again. Also been hurt running, better never run the ball either.

Ha. This dude is itching for an argument. The belligerence taking over again?

Say something stupid, get a stupid response. I’m sure you’re used to that.

[BelligerentBobcat]

You guys sound like the Griz fans that thought the Sac State defender hurt their QB intentionally.

No, not really at all. It was an odd place to slide on 3rd down for a running QB. I’m not saying it was for sure a deliberate play call, but there’s enough odd about it to not rule it out.

Not really. Contrary to popular belief, there isn’t a giant yellow line on the field for players to know where the first down is. I’ve seen it countless times where players have done that. Second, Barnum goes for it on 4th down a lot. You guys are overthinking a simple thing.

[SparkCat]

You guys sound like the Griz fans that thought the Sac State defender hurt their QB intentionally.

No, not really at all. It was an odd place to slide on 3rd down for a running QB. I’m not saying it was for sure a deliberate play call, but there’s enough odd about it to not rule it out.

Not really. Contrary to popular belief, there isn’t a giant yellow line on the field for players to know where the first down is. I’ve seen it countless times where players have done that. Second, Barnum goes for it on 4th down a lot. You guys are overthinking a simple thing.

What!!!!!! You mean to say my old man has been lying to me all these years saying a little person runs across the field and paints the yellow line?

[CelticCat]

You guys sound like the Griz fans that thought the Sac State defender hurt their QB intentionally.

No, not really at all. It was an odd place to slide on 3rd down for a running QB. I’m not saying it was for sure a deliberate play call, but there’s enough odd about it to not rule it out.

Not really. Contrary to popular belief, there isn’t a giant yellow line on the field for players to know where the first down is. I’ve seen it countless times where players have done that. Second, Barnum goes for it on 4th down a lot. You guys are overthinking a simple thing.

Exactly. It was probably a play designed to at worst get close enough to go for it on 4th down, he started the slide at the PSU 49. It would have been 4th and 3.

If you watch the replay, in real speed, he sees the two Bobcat LBs coming in hot and slides but it's clear he gets hit during the slide and he spins around from the contact from O'Reilly (who I assumed the penalty was going to be on). So it's not surprising the PSU bench erupted immediately because it looked bad in real time.

[PapaG]

You guys sound like the Griz fans that thought the Sac State defender hurt their QB intentionally.

No, not really at all. It was an odd place to slide on 3rd down for a running QB. I’m not saying it was for sure a deliberate play call, but there’s enough odd about it to not rule it out.

Not really. Contrary to popular belief, there isn’t a giant yellow line on the field for players to know where the first down is. I’ve seen it countless times where players have done that. Second, Barnum goes for it on 4th down a lot. You guys are overthinking a simple thing.

Exactly. It was probably a play designed to at worst get close enough to go for it on 4th down, he started the slide at the PSU 49. It would have been 4th and 3.

If you watch the replay, in real speed, he sees the two Bobcat LBs coming in hot and slides but it's clear he gets hit during the slide and he spins around from the contact from O'Reilly (who I assumed the penalty was going to be on). So it's not surprising the PSU bench erupted immediately because it looked bad in real time.

“Other people’s observations that don’t align with mine upset me and are worth arguing about on a fan forum.”

Looking at it again, there really was no reason to slide there and if he continues to run it’s a first down. I’m being converted to the It Was on Purpose squad and regardless of the lengthy explanation earlier on the thread, grazing the top of a helmet with the face mask is not targeting at all. Nolan got screwed and I’ll stand up for a Bobcat senior.

[catscat]

You guys sound like the Griz fans that thought the Sac State defender hurt their QB intentionally.

No, not really at all. It was an odd place to slide on 3rd down for a running QB. I’m not saying it was for sure a deliberate play call, but there’s enough odd about it to not rule it out.

Not really. Contrary to popular belief, there isn’t a giant yellow line on the field for players to know where the first down is. I’ve seen it countless times where players have done that. Second, Barnum goes for it on 4th down a lot. You guys are overthinking a simple thing.

Exactly. It was probably a play designed to at worst get close enough to go for it on 4th down, he started the slide at the PSU 49. It would have been 4th and 3.

If you watch the replay, in real speed, he sees the two Bobcat LBs coming in hot and slides but it's clear he gets hit during the slide and he spins around from the contact from O'Reilly (who I assumed the penalty was going to be on). So it's not surprising the PSU bench erupted immediately because it looked bad in real time.

“Other people’s observations that don’t align with mine upset me and are worth arguing about on a fan forum.”

Looking at it again, there really was no reason to slide there and if he continues to run it’s a first down. I’m being converted to the It Was on Purpose squad and regardless of the lengthy explanation earlier on the thread, grazing the top of a helmet with the face mask is not targeting at all. Nolan got screwed and I’ll stand up for a Bobcat senior.

I'm not gonna argue with anyone. Nolan got screwed.