Swogger a Bobcat?????

[BobcatLionFan]

I just wish he'd sign with someone so we can wrap this crap up. I was exited about the '06 season waaay before I'd even heard of this Swogger character... I'm optimistic that our next starting QB has been "in-house" for awhile now.

Give the kid a chance. He's not in it for us

His season just ended and recruiting has just started. He will want to visit 3 or 4 schools first (he visited MSU this past weekend) and will probably visit somewhere this coming weekend or so. Possibly one in January.

He doesn't have to commit until probably just before the start of the semister so he can enroll and be at Spring practice. So he has about a month (Jan 11th?)

He wants to make the right choice, not just pick one. He has only one year to make hay. Everyone is saying Youngstown, but they have a starting QB returning that is reasonable and knows their offense, so don't count that as a given. I don't know if I would go back home and have to compete.

With MSU, he might want to see what recieves they bring in first. He will know the OL is solid, but he would probably like to see one fast guy come in (UNLV kid?) to add to the guys already here to catch the ball.

[wbtfg]

I just wish he'd sign with someone so we can wrap this crap up. I was exited about the '06 season waaay before I'd even heard of this Swogger character... I'm optimistic that our next starting QB has been "in-house" for awhile now.

Give the kid a chance. He's not in it for us

His season just ended and recruiting has just started. He will want to visit 3 or 4 schools first (he visited MSU this past weekend) and will probably visit somewhere this coming weekend or so. Possibly one in January.

He doesn't have to commit until probably just before the start of the semister so he can enroll and be at Spring practice. So he has about a month (Jan 11th?)

He wants to make the right choice, not just pick one. He has only one year to make hay.

With MSU, he might want to see what recieves they bring in first. He will know the OL is solid, but he would probably like to see one fast guy come in (UNLV kid?) to add to the guys already here to catch the ball.

I think both he and the UNLV kid were in Bozeman together this last weekend....or at least they were supposed to be.

[grizindahouse]

BozoneCat Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:29 am Post subject:

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Screw this guy, I don't want him to be a Bobcat. He sounds like a spoiled little prima donna (which would make him a perfect fit with Hauck). As others have said, I don't even think he is that good. Let Youngstown or UM deal with this headcase, I am more than happy putting our future in Cory Carpenter's hands.

Ditto. Our coaches have been driving through all sorts of snowstorms for players. If you're that concerned about how far it is from Pullman to Bozeman, go to Eastern, it's only 90 miles and four stoplights from Pullman. I'll take Carpenter too.

Swogger states that he would like to stay close to his wife, and that he does not want to make a decision by today and you think he is a spoiled little prima donna?

[Sportin' Life]

Now many Griz posters have criticized Kramer in the past for getting alot of transfers for the program, and have used that as "evidence" that the MSU program is in "trouble". So, is the Griz program in trouble?

Moderators - if this belongs on another thread, please move it - this is not intended as smack.

Let me say I am not one of those posters who has criticized Kramer for getting transfers. But I think the idea is that JUCO transfers and dropdowns usually bring issues. Kids go to JUCOs because of issues....usually academic issues. Kids quit their I-A programs because of issues....usually ego driven, but sometimes injuries or legal troubles.

Once in a while these risks pan out. Craig Ochs didn't leave Colorado because of his ego, but rather I think he thought Gary Barnett might be descended from Satan (which may be correct).

I think you've gotta look at each one on a case by case basis and meet the kid and his family. I guess I am trying to say that getting transfers can work, but you've got to weigh the risks.

[BobcatLionFan]

Swogger states that he would like to stay close to his wife, and that he does not want to make a decision by today and you think he is a spoiled little prima donna?

Relax, relax. Valid considerations and he's not a prima donna.

First, UM really needs a QB and is close to WSU, however they have a suspect OL coming back and they have receivers that are not stars. Their offense is also not suited to his style. So UM has a positive and a couple of big negatives if I was the kid.

From MSU's view, they are probably looking at a couple of kids and doesn't want to wait forever and lose a chance on another kid. So they said, we would love to have you, but we need a decision. They are not going to live and die on him. They have good guys in house and he will not make or break the team. (as for Swogger, MSU looks like a better fit with the offense and style, as well as the OL) I can see MSU now saying we're looking other places and if we find someone and they accept, we'll have to pull our offer. Which is also reasonable.

[longhorn_22]

So what is this going to be like with Selle and Swogger at UM. Selle did say they told him he has a good chance of starting next year, which was a reason he chose UM. Both can't start and if Selle does, what will Swogger do?

[Sportin' Life]

So what is this going to be like with Selle and Swogger at UM. Selle did say they told him he has a good chance of starting next year, which was a reason he chose UM. Both can't start and if Selle does, what will Swogger do?

It sounds like he may sit no matter where he chooses, But to answer your question, if Selle starts I think Swogger may have to try to concentrate on his studies and try to get a degree and try to come to grips with the idea of his athletic career being over.

[BobcatLionFan]

So what is this going to be like with Selle and Swogger at UM. Selle did say they told him he has a good chance of starting next year, which was a reason he chose UM. Both can't start and if Selle does, what will Swogger do?

Selle in choosing UM was a little silly. First, if their returning freshman starting QB actually starts again next year as a Soph, then Selle will not see the field until his red-shirt Junior year, if then. And the Soph has a huge advantage going through spring practice while Selle is going to his senior prom. Selle just isn't going to come into 2-a-days and win the job without knowing the offense.

Coaches ALWAYS tell someone like that that they have a chance of starting. They say, we'll give you a chance and it sounds like he believed it?? That doesn't happen at QB often, other positions, yes, QB, no.

Selle has to hope that Swogger comes in for one year, then he can red-shirt and have a very good chance to start the next year with competition that spring. His choice was a little off with the UM QB position of a Freshman starting this year. (Even though he had a rough year, he was only a freshman, took them to the playoffs and BSC title and will get better and better).

[longhorn_22]

So what is this going to be like with Selle and Swogger at UM. Selle did say they told him he has a good chance of starting next year, which was a reason he chose UM. Both can't start and if Selle does, what will Swogger do?

Selle in choosing UM was a little silly. First, if their returning freshman starting QB actually starts again next year as a Soph, then Selle will not see the field until his red-shirt Junior year, if then. And the Soph has a huge advantage going through spring practice while Selle is going to his senior prom. Selle just isn't going to come into 2-a-days and win the job without knowing the offense.

Coaches ALWAYS tell someone like that that they have a chance of starting. They say, we'll give you a chance and it sounds like he believed it?? That doesn't happen at QB often, other positions, yes, QB, no.

Selle has to hope that Swogger comes in for one year, then he can red-shirt and have a very good chance to start the next year with competition that spring. His choice was a little off with the UM QB position of a Freshman starting this year.

I agree. I think he would have benefited more coming here, but what do I know. He'll probably be the greatest QB ever at UM and good for him. I just hoped he would come here and let them have their own young QB's.

[grizindahouse]

BobcatLion, why is he silly. He is coming into a program that will have 3 returning qb's. A Senior and Sophomore that both struggled on the field, and a RS Freshman that no one really knows what type of player he will be. Looks to me that Selle would have pretty decent odds to compete with that stable of QB's.

[longhorn_22]

BobcatLion, why is he silly. He is coming into a program that will have 3 returning qb's. A Senior and Sophomore that both struggled on the field, and a RS Freshman that no one really knows what type of player he will be. Looks to me that Selle would have pretty decent odds to compete with that stable of QB's.

He wouldn't with Swogger. If Swogger comes there, he will start. That is why he is transferring. He would have a decent shot at competing in 07 but I don't see it with Swogger. If Bergquist gets the hang of it Selle won't start until his senior year.

[grizindahouse]

Longhorn, If Swogger comes in and starts, then that means that Selle will compete against a Junior that struggled when he was on the field and a RS Sophomore that no one still knows what he can do on the field. The odds still look pretty good for Selle, whether next year or the following year.

[mquast53000]

BobcatLion, why is he silly. He is coming into a program that will have 3 returning qb's. A Senior and Sophomore that both struggled on the field, and a RS Freshman that no one really knows what type of player he will be. Looks to me that Selle would have pretty decent odds to compete with that stable of QB's.

BobcatLion is simply saying if Selle doesn't win the starting role this fall then he has the possibility of waiting a LONG time before he sees the field (unless he changes positions). He has a red-shirt sophomore and a red-shirt freshman to compete with in the fall, and if either of those guys proves to be better then him he has a long time to wait before he sees the field (assuming there are no major injuries). Selle doesn't sound like the type of player that wants to wait 3 or more years before he becomes the starter. Now for the Cats there are two red-shirt juniors at QB, so he could potentially start as a red-shirt sophomore…

[longhorn_22]

BobcatLion, why is he silly. He is coming into a program that will have 3 returning qb's. A Senior and Sophomore that both struggled on the field, and a RS Freshman that no one really knows what type of player he will be. Looks to me that Selle would have pretty decent odds to compete with that stable of QB's.

BobcatLion is simply saying if Selle doesn't win the starting role this fall then he has the possibility of waiting a LONG time before he sees the field (unless he changes positions). He has a red-shirt sophomore and a red-shirt freshman to compete with in the fall, and if either of those guys proves to be better then him he has a long time to wait before he sees the field (assuming there are no major injuries). Selle doesn't sound like the type of player that wants to wait 3 or more years before he becomes the starter. Now for the Cats there are two red-shirt juniors at QB, so he could potentially start as a red-shirt sophomore…

Personally, I don't think Selle would have been redshirted this year if he had chosen MSU. Did Lulay redshirt and have it pulled or was he never redshirted at all?

[BobcatLionFan]

BobcatLion, why is he silly. He is coming into a program that will have 3 returning qb's. A Senior and Sophomore that both struggled on the field, and a RS Freshman that no one really knows what type of player he will be. Looks to me that Selle would have pretty decent odds to compete with that stable of QB's.

A true Freshman coming in not having seen the playbook before he arrives (NCAA rules) just isn't going to win the starting QB position. Then he is competing against two year starters. Not an easy position.

Most quality QBs around the country do not choose that type of position to come into. Sorry about the use of Silly. Just not a solid choice to what most stud QBs want to enter. Example, If I was a QB, I would not go to USC this year. They have a stud red-shirting this year behind Linard, that knows the offense coming into this spring. No matter how good I was, getting playing time before my senior year would be difficult. If this kid proves out, USC will not get a great QB recruit for a couple years.

I hope Selle is successful, truly do, because if the UM starts him early next year out of the gate, they are in a little more trouble than it appears.
Also, if Bobby is that hot after Swogger, he's not counting on Selle saving the day (is he?)
Relax however, it's only a game.

[SonomaCat]

Or Selle might come to a point of realizing that he won't start early in his career and transfer to Carroll.

I'm not saying that as a putdown to anyone, but rather as an observation of how things seem to work a lot lately. I wonder how many guys go to a major program hoping to get a lucky break, but have a transfer down in the back of their mind even when they first sign? I really can't stand the way the system works now.

I watched most of the CP/Texas St. game this weekend, and it was sad how almost every player on TSU that they talked about was a drop-down from someplace else. It kind of made I-AA sound like the Arena League of college football. CP, as far as I could tell, had no drop-downs (at least none that seemed to get mentioned), which is reason enough to like them. It seems like they are really young, too ... look for them to be good next season again (especially when they get their good QB back and healthy).

Sorry for tangent.

[grizindahouse]

Quast, I know, but so many things can happen, and if Selle is that confident in his abilities, I am not sure any QB on the Griz roster has him thinking he is that far off.

[Platinumcat]

So what is this going to be like with Selle and Swogger at UM. Selle did say they told him he has a good chance of starting next year, which was a reason he chose UM. Both can't start and if Selle does, what will Swogger do?

Selle in choosing UM was a little silly. First, if their returning freshman starting QB actually starts again next year as a Soph, then Selle will not see the field until his red-shirt Junior year, if then. And the Soph has a huge advantage going through spring practice while Selle is going to his senior prom. Selle just isn't going to come into 2-a-days and win the job without knowing the offense.

Coaches ALWAYS tell someone like that that they have a chance of starting. They say, we'll give you a chance and it sounds like he believed it?? That doesn't happen at QB often, other positions, yes, QB, no.

Selle has to hope that Swogger comes in for one year, then he can red-shirt and have a very good chance to start the next year with competition that spring. His choice was a little off with the UM QB position of a Freshman starting this year. (Even though he had a rough year, he was only a freshman, took them to the playoffs and BSC title and will get better and better).

BobcatLionFan,
First off, let me state that I appreciate the logic that accompanies your posts.
As to Swogger, while I see him as an accomplished athlete in his own right (he started for a Pac10 school for goodness sakes), I honestly don't see him being the right type of quarterback for our system. Maybe I'm equating our "system" with the style of play that Travis had the last four years. But, a pure drop back passer with very questionable/limited movement ability does not seem to be what we should be looking for. In looking at his stats from when he was a starter, it doesn't appear that he was all that accurate. Or, he made questionable reads/passes due to his high number of INT's. IMO, we need accuracy over a cannon-for-an-arm quarterback. I also like that Carpenter has shown the ability to take off and get yards with his feet when necessary. And, I've heard that he's a better overall passer then TL was. If we give him the ability to shake some of his cobwebs off in the first couple of games, I really think he can lead the team.

This is not to say that I don't think we should close our eyes/minds to the possibility of a transfer quarterback. I just don't see Swogger being the right fit.

[BobcatLionFan]

BobcatLion, why is he silly. He is coming into a program that will have 3 returning qb's. A Senior and Sophomore that both struggled on the field, and a RS Freshman that no one really knows what type of player he will be. Looks to me that Selle would have pretty decent odds to compete with that stable of QB's.

BobcatLion is simply saying if Selle doesn't win the starting role this fall then he has the possibility of waiting a LONG time before he sees the field (unless he changes positions). He has a red-shirt sophomore and a red-shirt freshman to compete with in the fall, and if either of those guys proves to be better then him he has a long time to wait before he sees the field (assuming there are no major injuries). Selle doesn't sound like the type of player that wants to wait 3 or more years before he becomes the starter. Now for the Cats there are two red-shirt juniors at QB, so he could potentially start as a red-shirt sophomore…

Thanks, that was a better way to put it. Appreciate the help
It's nothing against Selle, when a guy becomes a two year starter, it's tough to replace him in is junior and senior years.

[longhorn_22]

In any light, I hope Carpenter starts this year. I think he is perfectly capable of commanding our offense to greatness. I am counting on Kramer to get Larson and I hope he does well after Carpenter is gone. I really could care less if we get Swogger, because I really like what I have seen from Carpenter and I think he can do well for us.