recruiting updates

[wbtfg]

First, Verlanic (who is considering Physical Therapy more for a major-which UM has a better program for than MSU), and several other high schoolers have been MORE IMPRESSED with Hauck than Kramer as a recruiter, secondly, UM does offer a lot more partial scholarships to Montana kids than does MSU, and I think we all can see how well that has worked out for MSU, lack of Montana kids on roster especially ones on the field.

That's debatable. Ryan Johnson seemed to do fine studying PT at MSU, as did Mr. Bozone, and quite a few others from MSU who are now in PT school.

Bozone may disagree with me here, but when it comes to an undergraduate, I think that the programs at UM, MSU, Carroll, and many other schools are pretty similar in how well they prepare you for grad school. I would also say that someone from MSU or Carroll has just as good of a chance to be accepted into grad school than does someone who did their undergrad at UM.

Sorry to hijack.....back to recruiting.

[longhorn_22]

We should go after that QB from Cut Bank, I can't think of his name, but I've seen him play and he's GOOD. He can run and pass, there really isn't much he can't do from what I've seen. Struggles a little when under pressure, but he didn't see too much pressure this year, I think he only got sacked 2 or 3 times this year.

Andrew Selle and Mark Desin are way better QB's.

[gtapp]

The good news is that for the first time (maybe ever) we have more than one (and as many as three) quality QB's coming out of MT high schools. I know we have a favorite (maybe Selle) but we should get a good one if any of the three become Cats.

[cat_man_08]

The good news is that for the first time (maybe ever) we have more than one (and as many as three) quality QB's coming out of MT high schools. I know we have a favorite (maybe Selle) but we should get a good one if any of the three become Cats.

I have to disagree with you on this one. I am a GFH football player and have watched film on both of these guys (Desin and Selle). I think that Desin is better then Selle (not by much) and would fit in the current MSU offense better then Selle. Desin throws 40-50 times a game and has really no great players around him. Billings West has lots of college caliber athletes (including Wells). Against GFH Desin was the whole offense and defense, he even punted. This guy has the potential to be a great Bobcat QB.

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

Does anybody know what the chances are that the CATS get Selle. Didn't his brother get screwed by UofM so he went and played for Carroll. Selle would be a great pick, that kid throws a great ball.

I posted this on another thread, but Selle has offers from MSU, UM, Oregon, and Wyoming. He has not committed anywhere yet. I would say we are ahead of the griz to get him, but there is no guarantee either will. I have also heard Desin from Billings Senior will commit to MSU. Anyone have any info?

The _ucks have already taken two QB's (well, verballed at this point) so far this season, so it might be safe to say he won't go to oregon. Joe Glenn might be the darkhorse at Wyoming and snag him though.

[gtapp]

The good news is that for the first time (maybe ever) we have more than one (and as many as three) quality QB's coming out of MT high schools. I know we have a favorite (maybe Selle) but we should get a good one if any of the three become Cats.

I have to disagree with you on this one. I am a GFH football player and have watched film on both of these guys (Desin and Selle). I think that Desin is better then Selle (not by much) and would fit in the current MSU offense better then Selle. Desin throws 40-50 times a game and has really no great players around him. Billings West has lots of college caliber athletes (including Wells). Against GFH Desin was the whole offense and defense, he even punted. This guy has the potential to be a great Bobcat QB.

So, are you saying that if we end up with Larson or Selle they will not work out? I am not claiming that one or the other is the best choice. Just that any of the three could work out with good coaching.

[BozoneCat]

First, Verlanic (who is considering Physical Therapy more for a major-which UM has a better program for than MSU), and several other high schoolers have been MORE IMPRESSED with Hauck than Kramer as a recruiter, secondly, UM does offer a lot more partial scholarships to Montana kids than does MSU, and I think we all can see how well that has worked out for MSU, lack of Montana kids on roster especially ones on the field.

That's debatable. Ryan Johnson seemed to do fine studying PT at MSU, as did Mr. Bozone, and quite a few others from MSU who are now in PT school.

Bozone may disagree with me here, but when it comes to an undergraduate, I think that the programs at UM, MSU, Carroll, and many other schools are pretty similar in how well they prepare you for grad school. I would also say that someone from MSU or Carroll has just as good of a chance to be accepted into grad school than does someone who did their undergrad at UM.

Sorry to hijack.....back to recruiting.

Yup. You get out of your undergrad education what you put into it, regardless of where you go. Attending UM certainly doesn't prepare you any better for physical therapy school, nor any worse. I would surmise that it actually depends more on what undergraduate major you are interested in pursuing. Per my bias, I would suggest that majoring in pre-physical therapy isn't the best way to go, because you don't get as well-rounded of an education. I graduated in biomedicine, and having looked into the analagous program at UM, I can say without a doubt that the pre-med program at MSU is far superior. MSU's undergrad classes in this curriculum are taught by the same professors teaching the WWAMI first-year med school students, and the acceptance rates of MSU students into med school hover around 85%, which is incredible.

Of course, you can get accepted into grad school with a degree in just about anything, assuming you have the required prerequisite courses as well. I would make my decision more on where I wanted to go to school and which program I wanted to play for than which graduate program I might be interested in 5 years down the road.

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

First, Verlanic (who is considering Physical Therapy more for a major-which UM has a better program for than MSU), and several other high schoolers have been MORE IMPRESSED with Hauck than Kramer as a recruiter, secondly, UM does offer a lot more partial scholarships to Montana kids than does MSU, and I think we all can see how well that has worked out for MSU, lack of Montana kids on roster especially ones on the field.

That's debatable. Ryan Johnson seemed to do fine studying PT at MSU, as did Mr. Bozone, and quite a few others from MSU who are now in PT school.

Bozone may disagree with me here, but when it comes to an undergraduate, I think that the programs at UM, MSU, Carroll, and many other schools are pretty similar in how well they prepare you for grad school. I would also say that someone from MSU or Carroll has just as good of a chance to be accepted into grad school than does someone who did their undergrad at UM.

Sorry to hijack.....back to recruiting.

Yup. You get out of your undergrad education what you put into it, regardless of where you go. Attending UM certainly doesn't prepare you any better for physical therapy school, nor any worse. I would surmise that it actually depends more on what undergraduate major you are interested in pursuing. Per my bias, I would suggest that majoring in pre-physical therapy isn't the best way to go, because you don't get as well-rounded of an education. I graduated in biomedicine, and having looked into the analagous program at UM, I can say without a doubt that the pre-med program at MSU is far superior. MSU's undergrad classes in this curriculum are taught by the same professors teaching the WWAMI first-year med school students, and the acceptance rates of MSU students into med school hover around 85%, which is incredible.

Of course, you can get accepted into grad school with a degree in just about anything, assuming you have the required prerequisite courses as well. I would make my decision more on where I wanted to go to school and which program I wanted to play for than which graduate program I might be interested in 5 years down the road.

I can vouch for the biomedicine program at MSU and attest that many of my courses I took as an undergrad were taught by professors who teach the medical students during their first didactic year.

[Platinumcat]

Kramer touched briefly on recruiting today in generalities. He said we actually don't have a lot of scholarships to offer because we are young in so many places. A summary from memory:

Offense: high school quarterback, 3-4 JC/transfer WR, one lineman, maybe a transfer QB. But, he would need to be the "right" one. He said that TE, RB are young and solid.

Defense: one HS lineman, one safety, 2 (I think) LB, one corner

I should have written this down to be more accurate as I know the above list is not completely correct.

But, he talked about his staff's approach of encouraging HS athletes to walk on and "earn" the scholarship. He made mention of a couple of walk-ons who have done that.

He did say they have offered scholarship to four HS athletes. Three were still considering MSU and one had committed to UM.

I was talking w/ BozoneCat at the last game and the two of us agree that we should offer more partial scholarships...especially to Montana kids. It seems like a lot of kids are deciding between UM and MSU, and MSU offers them a chance to walk on, where UM gives them a little bit of money. Who do you think they're choosing.

It seems that this would be a good way just to have more bodies on the team. Also, it would be a good way to bring more state wide support. If we can bring in 5-6 more Montana kids every year, I think that would really boost support in a lot of areas.

That being said, I realize that there's probably a reason that Bozone and I aren't D-1 coaches, I think Krames and his staff do a great job of recruiting.

Right, continue encouraging the Montana kids to walk on, because no Montana kids are good enough out of high school to make the almighty Bobcats!!! You get what you ask for, when Kramer was hired he said he would go find athletes, athletes out of state. Now, we want Kramer and his staff to give partials, if possible. Let's get real, winning is what fills the stands and if you look, I mean really look at both programs in our fine state, when the Cat's or the Griz are successful, they're rosters are filled with Montana kids. At what point do we say enough is enough, give our athletes a chance and the respect they deserve. When it comes to finding a way to win and making plays, Montana knows how Quit being a wimp, partials???
We need more, but keep thinking Krames and his staff are doing a great job and the Griz will continue kicking your ass!!!

You are either not reading the posts correctly or are choosing to focus on parts of the script as the only thing that has been said! MSU does offer some MT athletes full ride scholarships out of high school. MSU does offer some MT athletes partial scholarhsips out of high school. But, the simple fact of the matter is, and I'm born and raised MT, is that there are not enough D-I qualified athletes that come out of this state year in and year out to completely fill the rosters with them.
MSU has 33 players on its roster this year who are MT kids. How many have scholarships? I don't know. But, they are here playing college ball. And, they must be pretty happy about it or they wouldn't stick it through.
As I mentioned in my post after listening to Coach K on Tuesday is that we don't have a ton of scholarships available this year. Some of the positions we are looking for players in, you normally don't find qualified kids to fill from MT. For example, I don't know of a single player in MT that we could recruit as a corner in this league.
So, instead of being critical, why don't you supply a list of players from Montana who you think are QUALIFIED to play at this level. Open yourself up to some critiquing instead of sitting on a platform and spewing.

[cornbreadfred]

CornyFred, don't speak for Montana high school kids like that. You have not conducted a poll to determine who is the better recruiter. Neither have I. My opinions are from observing Hauck and Kramer on TV and in person. Their personalities are out there for all to see. Recruiting kids and their parents is salemanship. Pretty obvious listening to Kramer and Bobby about which one is a better sales person.

The poll I conducted is from Montana kids being recruited this year, and lthe previous two years that were recruited by both, and the vast majority of them said Hauck was much more personable and an overall better recruiter, secondly last time I checked UM's PT school is/has been nationally ranked higher than MSU's

[BozoneCat]

The poll I conducted is from Montana kids being recruited this year, and lthe previous two years that were recruited by both, and the vast majority of them said Hauck was much more personable and an overall better recruiter, secondly last time I checked UM's PT school is/has been nationally ranked higher than MSU's

Well, that could have something to do with the fact that MSU doesn't have a PT program. Where are the results of this imaginary poll you speak so fondly of?

[cornbreadfred]

The poll I conducted is from Montana kids being recruited this year, and lthe previous two years that were recruited by both, and the vast majority of them said Hauck was much more personable and an overall better recruiter, secondly last time I checked UM's PT school is/has been nationally ranked higher than MSU's

Well, that could have something to do with the fact that MSU doesn't have a PT program. Where are the results of this imaginary poll you speak so fondly of?

If you would read what I wrote, I said the poll is from personally talking with kids who have been recruited by both programs over the last three years

[BozoneCat]

Hint: That isn't a poll. Who were these kids, and where did they end up going? I would guess that since you are a griz fan, you are talking to mostly kids who went to UM, which would explain your "results." Somehow, I doubt the statistical analysis will show any correlation...

[cornbreadfred]

Hint: That isn't a poll. Who were these kids, and where did they end up going? I would guess that since you are a griz fan, you are talking to mostly kids who went to UM, which would explain your "results." Somehow, I doubt the statistical analysis will show any correlation...

The list contains about 20-30 Montana kids, it's split about 60/40 with guys going to UM, but even the ones going to MSU said Hauck did a good job->and Glenn for earlier ones

[thecitygriz]

mr. wolfman is the provisional identity of a man who posts on several boards, and not only is known to detest bobby hauck with the passion of a jilted lover but to have made dire predictions and bold accusations about hauck's coaching ability--predictions and accusations which simply do not square with the stone cold reality that hauck has the griz yet again on a glide path to another post-season appearance. in the spirit of hating globally but acting locally, mr. wolfman is now determined that mike kramer out-recruit his hated nemisis.

but yet again, the results will not please mr. wolfman. as much as i like mike kramer, and fully respect the progress he's made with the bobcat program, the objective reality is that hauck (or the mystique of the griz tradition, or all the post-season television appearances, or the stadium, or monte, or the skydivers, or the honey bears) has beaten kramer to the punch for most of the quality montana high school kids for the past two years, and likely will this year as well. i'd make my case again, but we've already argued it ad nauseum.

having said all that, i do have a queasy feeling as a griz fan that you guys are in a position to grab off one or both of the stellar qb's out there, selle and desin, inasmuch as the griz already have two young qb's in the fold, bergquist and stapp. futhermore, i just have an innate sense that the young mr. desin could turn out to be a spectacular player, in addition to which, you've got mr. wolfman on your side, fervently hoping it is so. it is yet to be determined whether this latter circumstance aids your cause, or ours.

[94VegasCat]

[quote=]"thecitygriz" the stone cold reality that hauck has the griz yet again on a glide path to another post-season appearance.[/quote]


Your 'glide path' is just a short 10 days away from being dismantled!
The CATS will then take all three of the qb's from the great state of Montana and the griz can suffer three more years of Berquists' mediocrity.

[CARDIAC_CATS]

"thecitygriz" the stone cold reality that hauck has the griz yet again on a glide path to another post-season appearance.

Your 'glide path' is just a short 10 days away from being dismantled!
The CATS will then take all three of the qb's from the great state of Montana and the griz can suffer three more years of Berquists' mediocrity.

There is no ILS automatic landing equipment in Bozeman stadium. I'm thinking your bandwagon nose dives 100 feet before the runway in Bozeman. Ahhh, but it was a sweet ride up to that

[catsrback76]

Recruiting whether it's Montana kids or out of staters ultimately comes down to coaching. "Who do I want to coach me?" is the kids ultimate question to answer.

Sure Um has a nice stadium. It's true there are lots of maroon cars on the road. That's easy and attractive, at first.

But just like the Evin Groves story posted earlier, the coach that captures the heart of the kid wins the recruiting game MOST of the time. There will always be kids that ride the wave of popularity in every state. In those cases, whichever team is on top at the time will win some by virtue of that fact.

As the gaps close between uM and MSU in terms of facilities ( and they will --and all Griz posters who thumb their noses now will only get to say "we had it first"--HA) then the coaching staff and their appeal will carry the day.

I agree with Wolfie on this point. IN state recruiting is not going BHauck's way because the K_manster is a greater personality, expressing hotter passion, and looks and talks and acts like a football coach. I think everyone knows that Hauck is staging for a new job, and if he isn't, he'd better start acting like he's staying put or the rumor will only grow.. That alone breeds insecurity in the ranks. Kramer acts like he likes MSU and is here to stay.

The game is being won by the Cats in the recruiting field with each passing year. Go Cats!!!

BTW: It certainly doesn't hurt that we have won 2 of the last 3 , soon to be 3 of the last 4 Cat Griz/Conference titles.

[Wolfman]

Mr. City, your are incorrect. The Wolfman, recently deposed from esugar.com for being too objective, does not post on any other boards. Do not slander the Wolfmaster like this.

You are correct, however, in stating that The Wolfman does not like Hauck as a coach. Nothing personal, mind you. I just think he would be better served coaching track, and not pretending to know anything about football, or about hiring assistant coaches who aren't a) relatives, or, b) good friends.

You also accurately outlined the many reasons why the Griz have had their way in the past recruiting Montana kids. It has ZERO to do with Bobby Hauck, and EVERYTHING to do with the reasons you stated so well. It should be noted, however, that Kramer is starting to get some of the kids who UM took for granted in the past. Last season, Kramer got several kids that Bobby wanted. This year, Kramer will get even more of them, including the QBs who Hauck needs desperately. Here's a clue for ya, Cole Berquist is NOT the QB of the future for Montana. His accuracy in passing is insufficient. Stapp is unproven. How could anyone predict his success potential at this point?

Hauck deperately needs a stud QB to save his pedestrian offense from being the worst in the conference for yet another season. But, methinks that he will not get any of the Big Three high school QBs.

I have inside knowledge of the Billings West situation, because I personally know someone very close to the program. I can assure you that Selle will NOT sign with UM. He may go to Wyoming, or MSU. But Bobby can forget about him. You heard it here. Mark it down.

[grizindahouse]

I would like to touch on a couple issues. First to VegasCat. MSU may very well sign the three QB prospects from Montana, Desin, Selle, and Larson, but my thinking on this is twofold. 1. Why would all three, if they wanted to play QB, verbal to the same school, and 2. Montana is not the only state to have high school QB's. As for Wolf, I will not argue your point about Cole looking awful at NAU, but as you expressed earlier, this is the only game you have seen him play in person. Before the NAU game Cole had completed 60.7% of his passes (82-135) and he has had many good passes dropped. For you to base your opinion about Cole's future on one game is far from a balanced argument. Also as for recruiting, I know for a fact that the Athletic Department has cutback on the recruiting budget, which has dampered the ability for the Griz to recruit California, etc. like they would like to, especially the last recruiting season. And I know you enjoy bringing up Taito as a player that the Cats outrecruited Hauck, but from my understanding, Hauck saw him as a linebacker, he wanted to play running back, and decided for this reason. With your undeniable dislike for Hauck, you blame him for everything that happens within the program, but sometimes, things are beyond his control, like a recruit thinking his options at another program are better for him. One thing I will agree with you on though is the lack of a real playmaker on offense, but I believe this is because he seems to recruit and play the most athletic players on the defensive side of the ball, like in his recruiting of Taito. You know if I based my entire opinion on your very first post, like you have made your opinion on Cole, I would think you are a spiteful, airbag with nothing to share but insults. But since I am willing to base my opinion on more than the first encounter, I now realize that opinion would be for the most part correct, but you do share some valid points in your brash way.