Housewright cited for aggravated DUI

[Colter_Nuanez]

Thanks for an interesting listen, if anything to learn a little bit more about how the news work, what kind of outlet does what, etc.

Frankly it just shows me we need more local journalism because someone should be pushing the issue on this a little bit, and should have the resources and time to do so.

This is another extension of a huge problem in "affluent" communities right now...you simply cannot live in Bozeman on a newspaper or TV salary. Really not sure how they do it...

[Justwinbaby]

Let me put it this way. Why the man-crush support for Garza on here? Dude doesn't coordinate an elite defense, and that likely continues this season.

If there is anything holding the Cats back it has been and is the defense. Seems the Head Ball Coach missed an opportunity to cut him loose, and upgrade. Does the Head Coach not have coach hiring and firing authority? Serious question.

Instead...renewal of contract. That's odd no matter how it's spun by some posting here.

Here's the most obvious example yet that you're a Griz fan. Many people here wanted Garza gone due to the defense's shaky performance last year well before the DUI incident. Not a single person here would have complained if Garza's contract had not been renewed over the summer.

It's time to drop the act. I respect Griz fans who come here and want to discuss stuff like this in an up-front and respectful manner. Your fake Bobcat fan BS, that I have zero respect or patience for.

I don't know what's obvious about my post. You guys seem paranoid - about what, I have no idea.

Anyone care to answer the question about whether Head Coaches at MSU have hiring and firing authority? Can they suspend with pay without permission? Does every personnel decision they want to make require permission from AD or others? I don't think most coaches have these restraints, but I could be wrong.

Why is Vigen so loyal to this guy anyway? It just seems weird to me because he ISN'T THAT GREAT. Had a chance to move on and didn't...why?

[bobcatbob]

Let me put it this way. Why the man-crush support for Garza on here? Dude doesn't coordinate an elite defense, and that likely continues this season.

If there is anything holding the Cats back it has been and is the defense. Seems the Head Ball Coach missed an opportunity to cut him loose, and upgrade. Does the Head Coach not have coach hiring and firing authority? Serious question.

Instead...renewal of contract. That's odd no matter how it's spun by some posting here.

Here's the most obvious example yet that you're a Griz fan. Many people here wanted Garza gone due to the defense's shaky performance last year well before the DUI incident. Not a single person here would have complained if Garza's contract had not been renewed over the summer.

It's time to drop the act. I respect Griz fans who come here and want to discuss stuff like this in an up-front and respectful manner. Your fake Bobcat fan BS, that I have zero respect or patience for.

I don't know what's obvious about my post. You guys seem paranoid - about what, I have no idea.

Anyone care to answer the question about whether Head Coaches at MSU have hiring and firing authority? Can they suspend with pay without permission? Does every personnel decision they want to make require permission from AD or others? I don't think most coaches have these restraints, but I could be wrong.

Why is Vigen so loyal to this guy anyway? It just seems weird to me because he ISN'T THAT GREAT. Had a chance to move on and didn't...why?

A griz troll. Ask your buddies on Egriz. They seem to know a lot more about all this.

[CelticCat]

Here is the statement. Minimal but what I was expecting - we are trying to help these men, and we are handling it internally.

It won't be enough to satisfy the tar and feather crowd but I am glad he made a statement about it.

[VimSince03]

Here is the statement. Minimal but what I was expecting - we are trying to help these men, and we are handling it internally.

It won't be enough to satisfy the tar and feather crowd but I am glad he made a statement about it.

"supporting them" and doesn't necessarily mean will retain if convicted.

[MSU01]

Here is the statement. Minimal but what I was expecting - we are trying to help these men, and we are handling it internally.

It won't be enough to satisfy the tar and feather crowd but I am glad he made a statement about it.

That thread on eGriz is about to hit 1,000 posts very quickly! Glad that Coach Vigen addressed the issue before the season starts.

[coloradocat]

I wish we could get an update on timing (when their next hearing is or an actual trial) but short of that this was fine and now rational people can see that it has been addressed/acknowledged and there are no questions to ask because they won't be answered. The irrational people won't realize that in the real world you can't just badger the coach on the record or off and hope to still have access to the program (ie. keep your job).

[CelticCat]

I wish we could get an update on timing (when their next hearing is or an actual trial) but short of that this was fine and now rational people can see that it has been addressed/acknowledged and there are no questions to ask because they won't be answered. The irrational people won't realize that in the real world you can't just badger the coach on the record or off and hope to still have access to the program (ie. keep your job).

It's clear the only way the Griz fans with impotent rage are going to be satisfied is if they are both fired effectively immediately.

I've said that I don't love how MSU is handling it but I'm glad Vigen made a statement. Handling it internally is kind of a dangerous game in today's cancel hungry culture. I'm not opposed to keeping them on staff and helping them learn from this and get any help they might need but I wish there was more transparency. Right now the optics leave a lot of room for "sweeping under the rug" rumors.

[ND0479]

Gives me the impression that the coaches will be retained regardless of the legal outcome. I don’t like that, personally, but I do like that it’ll make gris heads explode.

[rivercat]

I wish we could get an update on timing (when their next hearing is or an actual trial) but short of that this was fine and now rational people can see that it has been addressed/acknowledged and there are no questions to ask because they won't be answered. The irrational people won't realize that in the real world you can't just badger the coach on the record or off and hope to still have access to the program (ie. keep your job).

It's clear the only way the Griz fans with impotent rage are going to be satisfied is if they are both fired effectively immediately.

I've said that I don't love how MSU is handling it but I'm glad Vigen made a statement. Handling it internally is kind of a dangerous game in today's cancel hungry culture. I'm not opposed to keeping them on staff and helping them learn from this and get any help they might need but I wish there was more transparency. Right now the optics leave a lot of room for "sweeping under the rug" rumors.

Those nutjobs will only be satisfied after they are flayed alive, drawn and quartered, remains cremated and buried under the turf at Wagris (eternal hell). That egris thread is psychotic.

[coloradocat]

Gives me the impression that the coaches will be retained regardless of the legal outcome. I don’t like that, personally, but I do like that it’ll make gris heads explode.

I got the impression that they'll be retained unless they can't be (a conviction that is too significant to defend). Vigen obviously wants to keep them but knows that the court of public opinion has limits to what it will accept.

[coloradocat]

I wish we could get an update on timing (when their next hearing is or an actual trial) but short of that this was fine and now rational people can see that it has been addressed/acknowledged and there are no questions to ask because they won't be answered. The irrational people won't realize that in the real world you can't just badger the coach on the record or off and hope to still have access to the program (ie. keep your job).

It's clear the only way the Griz fans with impotent rage are going to be satisfied is if they are both fired effectively immediately.

I've said that I don't love how MSU is handling it but I'm glad Vigen made a statement. Handling it internally is kind of a dangerous game in today's cancel hungry culture. I'm not opposed to keeping them on staff and helping them learn from this and get any help they might need but I wish there was more transparency. Right now the optics leave a lot of room for "sweeping under the rug" rumors.

I think once this is all over the school, or maybe just the athletic department if it has it's own policy/resources, should explain what training and resources it has for coaches/staff/employees/players. I imagine some changes will come out of this and it would provide goodwill to share those, and also get ahead of some of the guessing games the next time something happens.

[RickRund]

I wish we could get an update on timing (when their next hearing is or an actual trial) but short of that this was fine and now rational people can see that it has been addressed/acknowledged and there are no questions to ask because they won't be answered. The irrational people won't realize that in the real world you can't just badger the coach on the record or off and hope to still have access to the program (ie. keep your job).

It's clear the only way the Griz fans with impotent rage are going to be satisfied is if they are both fired effectively immediately.

I've said that I don't love how MSU is handling it but I'm glad Vigen made a statement. Handling it internally is kind of a dangerous game in today's cancel hungry culture. I'm not opposed to keeping them on staff and helping them learn from this and get any help they might need but I wish there was more transparency. Right now the optics leave a lot of room for "sweeping under the rug" rumors.

Those nutjobs will only be satisfied after they are flayed alive, drawn and quartered, remains cremated and buried under the turf at Wagris (eternal hell). That egris thread is psychotic.

Hilarious to see some of the comments that both Waded and Leon are in over their heads... They are really jealous over there.

[TomCat88]

Drinking and driving is bad. People end up getting killed by drunk drivers. You have to draw the line somewhere. There are jobs that are legally or as a matter of policy classified as safety sensitive. Bus drivers, dispatchers, pilots of commercial aircraft, etc. These positions are almost always subject to random drug/alcohol tests. Most organizations that do this have zero strike policies if you fail a test.

Typically, for everyone not in a safety sensitive position, the legal system handles the punitive side for anyone that gets a DUI.

Drinking and driving has the potential to cause serious injury and death. That changes the punitive penalty associated with a DUI.

So where do coaches fall in that spectrum? They’re not in safety sensitive positions, but they can effect a sports program, especially college, negatively (loss of recruits, distractions, bad press). What do they deserve on top of what the legal system and insurance companies deal out? I would think that if those things are heavily affected, then the school would want to have the ability to take action.

Should there be a NCAA policy that dictates what schools do regarding DUIs? Do you get one strike or none or? It seems really tricky to me. What has happened around the country to coaches that get one DUI, two or more? Is there any precedent?

[BobcatDel]

Drinking and driving is bad. People end up getting killed by drunk drivers. You have to draw the line somewhere. There are jobs that are legally or as a matter of policy classified as safety sensitive. Bus drivers, dispatchers, pilots of commercial aircraft, etc. These positions are almost always subject to random drug/alcohol tests. Most organizations that do this have zero strike policies if you fail a test.

Typically, for everyone not in a safety sensitive position, the legal system handles the punitive side for anyone that gets a DUI.

Drinking and driving has the potential to cause serious injury and death. That changes the punitive penalty associated with a DUI.

So where do coaches fall in that spectrum? They’re not in safety sensitive positions, but they can effect a sports program, especially college, negatively (loss of recruits, distractions, bad press). What do they deserve on top of what the legal system and insurance companies deal out? I would think that if those things are heavily affected, then the school would want to have the ability to take action.

Should there be a NCAA policy that dictates what schools do regarding DUIs? Do you get one strike or none or? It seems really tricky to me. What has happened around the country to coaches that get one DUI, two or more? Is there any precedent?

I made a similar comment awhile back but will repeat it here. I worked in large corporate assignment for 40 years and DUI and drug policies gradually changed over my career.

As you noted, personnel in safety sensitive positions were monitored most closely and had little leeway if they received DUI or drug arrest and usually resulted in immediate termination.

For the rest of the populace a DUI or drug arrest resulted in being placed in a drug or alcohol program and being subjected to random testing more frequently. You were not terminated on a first offense. The policy gradually became more directed to helping the individual and retaining good skilled employees the company had spent a lot of money training and developing and were good contributors to the company…..and had made a mistake like we all do. Employees were treated differently if it was an “off the job” vs. an “on the job” incident. But the policy was in place and drove the decisions and how each situation was handled. These cases were all handled confidentially with management team and legal staff…..even if the employee “scuttlebutt” network was working alive and well. You didn’t get a second chance.

[tetoncat]

[quote=BobcatDel post_id=827676

For the rest of the populace a DUI or drug arrest resulted in being placed in a drug or alcohol program and being subjected to random testing more frequently. You were not terminated on a first offense. ….. You didn’t get a second chance.
[/quote]

Curious on these portions of your comment. You explained the policy, how different depending on position and how goal changed to help the person but then one part said you were not terminated and ended with you didn't get a second chance.

[BleedingBLue]

Boobie hack's players are doing their own stupid sh*t again, so now UM fans can worry about that.

[RickRund]

Boobie hack's players are doing their own stupid sh*t again, so now UM fans can worry about that.

Yes, big whoops.

[AFCAT]

Boobie hack's players are doing their own stupid sh*t again, so now UM fans can worry about that.

Details please.

[wbtfg]

Boobie hack's players are doing their own stupid sh*t again, so now UM fans can worry about that.

Details please.

One of their incoming freshmen (jaylen hall) beat up his roommate during fall camp (Ah Yat) in their dorm room. Hall was dismissed from the team and looks like left the university. No comments from the university or the athletic dept. Reported on by the Kaimen.