Moving up

[onceacat]

Colter suggested the idea of realigned conference on his radio show:

Montana State
Montana
Idaho
Weber State
Utah State
Wyoming
Air Force
New Mexico
Colorado State

That would be a really cool outcome in terms of both regionality and competition.

Yup. I like this. I don’t like the inclusion of Weebz given their fan support, but it make sense given their proximity to Utah State.

On this, wouldn’t it also make sense to include Boise St and FresYes?

Weebs doesnt fit at all. OSU & WSU would be far better fits. Boise State has bigger aspirations & I dont think their fan base or admin would settle. Fresno would be fine.

[imacat]

Colter suggested the idea of realigned conference on his radio show:

Montana State
Montana
Idaho
Weber State
Utah State
Wyoming
Air Force
New Mexico
Colorado State

That would be a really cool outcome in terms of both regionality and competition.

Yup. I like this. I don’t like the inclusion of Weebz given their fan support, but it make sense given their proximity to Utah State.

On this, wouldn’t it also make sense to include Boise St and FresYes?

Weebs doesnt fit at all. OSU & WSU would be far better fits. Boise State has bigger aspirations & I dont think their fan base or admin would settle. Fresno would be fine.

I don’t believe OSU or WSU’s fan base or admin would settle for this either. Another possible school would be New Mexico State.

[onceacat]

Colter suggested the idea of realigned conference on his radio show:

Montana State
Montana
Idaho
Weber State
Utah State
Wyoming
Air Force
New Mexico
Colorado State

That would be a really cool outcome in terms of both regionality and competition.

Yup. I like this. I don’t like the inclusion of Weebz given their fan support, but it make sense given their proximity to Utah State.

On this, wouldn’t it also make sense to include Boise St and FresYes?

Weebs doesnt fit at all. OSU & WSU would be far better fits. Boise State has bigger aspirations & I dont think their fan base or admin would settle. Fresno would be fine.

I don’t believe OSU or WSU’s fan base or admin would settle for this either. Another possible school would be New Mexico State.

Do OSU & WSU have any other options? Can they talk their way into the ACC or AAC?

[Lord Vigo]

Colter suggested the idea of realigned conference on his radio show:

Montana State
Montana
Idaho
Weber State
Utah State
Wyoming
Air Force
New Mexico
Colorado State

That would be a really cool outcome in terms of both regionality and competition.

Yup. I like this. I don’t like the inclusion of Weebz given their fan support, but it make sense given their proximity to Utah State.

On this, wouldn’t it also make sense to include Boise St and FresYes?

Weebs doesnt fit at all. OSU & WSU would be far better fits. Boise State has bigger aspirations & I dont think their fan base or admin would settle. Fresno would be fine.

I don’t believe OSU or WSU’s fan base or admin would settle for this either. Another possible school would be New Mexico State.

Do OSU & WSU have any other options? Can they talk their way into the ACC or AAC?

Seems like their best option would be to join with the top teams of the MW?

[Montanabob]

Colter suggested the idea of realigned conference on his radio show:

Montana State
Montana
Idaho
Weber State
Utah State
Wyoming
Air Force
New Mexico
Colorado State

That would be a really cool outcome in terms of both regionality and competition.

Yup. I like this. I don’t like the inclusion of Weebz given their fan support, but it make sense given their proximity to Utah State.

On this, wouldn’t it also make sense to include Boise St and FresYes?

Weebs doesnt fit at all. OSU & WSU would be far better fits. Boise State has bigger aspirations & I dont think their fan base or admin would settle. Fresno would be fine.

I don’t believe OSU or WSU’s fan base or admin would settle for this either. Another possible school would be New Mexico State.

Do OSU & WSU have any other options? Can they talk their way into the ACC or AAC?

or they ask the BSC to let in so we can drop UNCO and PSU to DII.

[Bobcat Sig]

Colter suggested the idea of realigned conference on his radio show:

Montana State
Montana
Idaho
Weber State
Utah State
Wyoming
Air Force
New Mexico
Colorado State

That would be a really cool outcome in terms of both regionality and competition.

Yup. I like this. I don’t like the inclusion of Weebz given their fan support, but it make sense given their proximity to Utah State.

On this, wouldn’t it also make sense to include Boise St and FresYes?

Weebs doesnt fit at all. OSU & WSU would be far better fits. Boise State has bigger aspirations & I dont think their fan base or admin would settle. Fresno would be fine.

I don’t believe OSU or WSU’s fan base or admin would settle for this either. Another possible school would be New Mexico State.

Do OSU & WSU have any other options? Can they talk their way into the ACC or AAC?

or they ask the BSC to let in so we can drop UNCO and PSU to DII.

And Eastern.
Idaho State is about there, too.

[CelticCat]

If this happens, it's just Oregon State and WSU left in the Pac. They'd either follow to the AAC or go MWC I'd suspect, and I think either way MSU doesn't have a place in an FBS conference for now.

[Montanabob]

interesting statement about not expanding stadium enough to go FBS.
https://www.dl-online.com/sports/bison- ... zsyfrbZf00

[imacat]

Well, now it is down to the PAC 2.

https://www.thescore.com/ncaab/news/2703979

Stanford and Cal do not get full television revenue shares. SMU does not receive any television revenue unit about 2033.

[rivercat]

Well, now it is down to the PAC 2.

https://www.thescore.com/ncaab/news/2703979

Stanford and Cal do not get full television revenue shares. SMU does not receive any television revenue unit about 2033.

OSU and WSU can schedule each other home and home and home and home.....

[The Butcher]

Well, now it is down to the PAC 2.

https://www.thescore.com/ncaab/news/2703979

Stanford and Cal do not get full television revenue shares. SMU does not receive any television revenue unit about 2033.

Nine years without TV money for football. That had to be a tough to swallow.

[onceacat]

Well, now it is down to the PAC 2.

https://www.thescore.com/ncaab/news/2703979

Stanford and Cal do not get full television revenue shares. SMU does not receive any television revenue unit about 2033.

Nine years without TV money for football. That had to be a tough to swallow.

Wow. UNC, Clemson, and FSU voted against the expansion. UNC is a no brainer for a move to the SEC, probably FSU & Clemson too.

ACC might not exist as a power football conference in 3 years...Not sure what the upside is for SMU when they finally get paid in 2033.

[Rich K]

Listening to a podcast by FCS Check Down mentioned that West Georgia is poised to make the move to FCS. The podcasters seemed genuinely pleased while I think it is a move that helps saturate the FCS with cellar dwellers who have no business being Division 1. We really need a shakedown that puts the bottom of FBS with the top of FCS. Western Georgia is just the latest example that doesn’t belong in the same tier as MSU

[Bobcat Sig]

Listening to a podcast by FCS Check Down mentioned that West Georgia is poised to make the move to FCS. The podcasters seemed genuinely pleased while I think it is a move that helps saturate the FCS with cellar dwellers who have no business being Division 1. We really need a shakedown that puts the bottom of FBS with the top of FCS. Western Georgia is just the latest example that doesn’t belong in the same tier as MSU

This. So many of these cut-rate, commuter schools move to the FBS. I don't get it.

To your point, there needs to be a massive re-alignment where either the top-tier FCS schools find homes in the Group of 5 Conferences or those basement-dwelling, beater teams move down to what will be the new DI-AA.

[MSU01]

Listening to a podcast by FCS Check Down mentioned that West Georgia is poised to make the move to FCS. The podcasters seemed genuinely pleased while I think it is a move that helps saturate the FCS with cellar dwellers who have no business being Division 1. We really need a shakedown that puts the bottom of FBS with the top of FCS. Western Georgia is just the latest example that doesn’t belong in the same tier as MSU

Who says West Georgia has no business being in Division 1? We probably would've said the same thing about Incarnate Word, but here they are as a consistent Top 10 team and recent playoff semifinalist after only a decade in the FCS. It's entirely true that the FCS has become watered down in recent years, but I don't think the realignment you mentioned is going to happen after the Power 5 (Power 4 now, I guess) schools have backed off their threat to leave the NCAA and form a new division themselves. At this point the best way to improve the overall quality of the FCS division is going to be through strong D-II programs moving up to replace the ones that have left.

[kennethnoisewater]

Listening to a podcast by FCS Check Down mentioned that West Georgia is poised to make the move to FCS. The podcasters seemed genuinely pleased while I think it is a move that helps saturate the FCS with cellar dwellers who have no business being Division 1. We really need a shakedown that puts the bottom of FBS with the top of FCS. Western Georgia is just the latest example that doesn’t belong in the same tier as MSU

This. So many of these cut-rate, commuter schools move to the FBS. I don't get it.

To your point, there needs to be a massive re-alignment where either the top-tier FCS schools find homes in the Group of 5 Conferences or those basement-dwelling, beater teams move down to what will be the new DI-AA.

But they can get good players and put together good teams. Kennesaw State is a commuter school and they're one of the better teams in FCS football. They've only had a football program since 2015 and they're already transitioning to FBS. So do we not replace the teams that are moving up to FBS? Do we not allow them to move up?

I don't like it either, but these are not necessarily cellar-dwellers. There are so many good football players in places like Georgia and Texas that they can put together good teams for FCS, and even lower level FBS. So what's stopping them from becoming the next Boise State or UCF? Boise St was a juco 50 years ago. So if you're a smaller school like West Georgia (enrollment over 13k students, tons of good football players around), why wouldn't you make a run at it? Why wouldn't you try for a piece of the billions at stake?

The FCS is now a transitional level of NCAA football. Besides UM and MSU, what teams have been around for 30+ years at this level and won national championships? It's mostly directional schools and private schools. Youngstown State won a few but nobody in Ohio takes them seriously. Even the Dakota schools are brand new to FCS, so I'm not convinced they're not just hanging out at the FCS level until they're ready to move up again.

Talk about cut-rate commuter schools all you want, but that's Boise State and Kennesaw State. Yeah, some of them absolutely don't belong, but does Idaho State? They aren't a commuter school but they'd get crushed by most of the new programs transitioning into FCS. So what's the metric that disqualifies somebody from going FCS? Enrollment? Quality of football? Having a city in your name? Being a directional school? I don't know the answer, but I'm mostly with you. It sucks that those are the schools MSU is competing with.

The FCS is the fast lane. You can't stay put. If you're not moving forward, you're moving backward. I never thought I'd be saying this just a couple years ago, but MSU is going to have to work toward transitioning out or get stuck in an irrelevant, transient level of football. It might be good football even, but I'm afraid nobody is going to care about it.

[GoldstoneCat]

Listening to a podcast by FCS Check Down mentioned that West Georgia is poised to make the move to FCS. The podcasters seemed genuinely pleased while I think it is a move that helps saturate the FCS with cellar dwellers who have no business being Division 1. We really need a shakedown that puts the bottom of FBS with the top of FCS. Western Georgia is just the latest example that doesn’t belong in the same tier as MSU

This. So many of these cut-rate, commuter schools move to the FBS. I don't get it.

To your point, there needs to be a massive re-alignment where either the top-tier FCS schools find homes in the Group of 5 Conferences or those basement-dwelling, beater teams move down to what will be the new DI-AA.

But they can get good players and put together good teams. Kennesaw State is a commuter school and they're one of the better teams in FCS football. They've only had a football program since 2015 and they're already transitioning to FBS. So do we not replace the teams that are moving up to FBS? Do we not allow them to move up?

I don't like it either, but these are not necessarily cellar-dwellers. There are so many good football players in places like Georgia and Texas that they can put together good teams for FCS, and even lower level FBS. So what's stopping them from becoming the next Boise State or UCF? Boise St was a juco 50 years ago. So if you're a smaller school like West Georgia (enrollment over 13k students, tons of good football players around), why wouldn't you make a run at it? Why wouldn't you try for a piece of the billions at stake?

The FCS is now a transitional level of NCAA football. Besides UM and MSU, what teams have been around for 30+ years at this level and won national championships? It's mostly directional schools and private schools. Youngstown State won a few but nobody in Ohio takes them seriously. Even the Dakota schools are brand new to FCS, so I'm not convinced they're not just hanging out at the FCS level until they're ready to move up again.

Talk about cut-rate commuter schools all you want, but that's Boise State and Kennesaw State. Yeah, some of them absolutely don't belong, but does Idaho State? They aren't a commuter school but they'd get crushed by most of the new programs transitioning into FCS. So what's the metric that disqualifies somebody from going FCS? Enrollment? Quality of football? Having a city in your name? Being a directional school? I don't know the answer, but I'm mostly with you. It sucks that those are the schools MSU is competing with.

The FCS is the fast lane. You can't stay put. If you're not moving forward, you're moving backward. I never thought I'd be saying this just a couple years ago, but MSU is going to have to work toward transitioning out or get stuck in an irrelevant, transient level of football. It might be good football even, but I'm afraid nobody is going to care about it.

Solid, reality-based take. There was a time, late nineties to maybe 2010, when this level of football had something of a place in the hierarchy of NCAA football. When TV money started getting stupid, everybody who was anybody started looking for a way to get to that level and get their hands on it. We as fans can gnash our teeth over the fact that we loved this level, that we hate bowl games and love our playoff, etc. But if what it takes to become kings at this level is everyone else leaving for more money, what's the point of being king? What if you held a national championship and nobody came? Beating west Georgia A&M State doesn't feel all that meaningful if the level of football is completely irrelevant. I don't know how this ends, if the P3 or P4 split off and the rest of us are left to figure it out, if we can somehow end up with Wyoming, Wazzu, osu and the like out west, or what. But i think you have it exactly right, we need to find a way off this ship.

[St George]

In my old and feeble mind there needs to be 3 choices instead of just FBS and FCS. Take the bottom 1/3 of the FBS and the top 1/3 of the FCS and combine them into the RAS, named after me of course. They can come up with a name later. The Mountain West and some other conferences only get PARTICIPATION BOWLS because they end up with records 6-6 or better and end up playing each other. Then when top teams in either of the lower levels are ready, move up, or down as the case may be. I would still rather compete for a National Championship than have a meaningless trophy for a participation bowl.

[tetoncat]

In my old and feeble mind there needs to be 3 choices instead of just FBS and FCS. Take the bottom 1/3 of the FBS and the top 1/3 of the FCS and combine them into the RAS, named after me of course. They can come up with a name later. The Mountain West and some other conferences only get PARTICIPATION BOWLS because they end up with records 6-6 or better and end up playing each other. Then when top teams in either of the lower levels are ready, move up, or down as the case may be. I would still rather compete for a National Championship than have a meaningless trophy for a participation bowl.

While I agree, it is all about the money. Many of those schools don't really chase more than a conference championship. Bowl games and TV revenue are king

[Bobcat Sig]

Listening to a podcast by FCS Check Down mentioned that West Georgia is poised to make the move to FCS. The podcasters seemed genuinely pleased while I think it is a move that helps saturate the FCS with cellar dwellers who have no business being Division 1. We really need a shakedown that puts the bottom of FBS with the top of FCS. Western Georgia is just the latest example that doesn’t belong in the same tier as MSU

This. So many of these cut-rate, commuter schools move to the FBS. I don't get it.

To your point, there needs to be a massive re-alignment where either the top-tier FCS schools find homes in the Group of 5 Conferences or those basement-dwelling, beater teams move down to what will be the new DI-AA.

But they can get good players and put together good teams. Kennesaw State is a commuter school and they're one of the better teams in FCS football. They've only had a football program since 2015 and they're already transitioning to FBS. So do we not replace the teams that are moving up to FBS? Do we not allow them to move up?

I don't like it either, but these are not necessarily cellar-dwellers. There are so many good football players in places like Georgia and Texas that they can put together good teams for FCS, and even lower level FBS. So what's stopping them from becoming the next Boise State or UCF? Boise St was a juco 50 years ago. So if you're a smaller school like West Georgia (enrollment over 13k students, tons of good football players around), why wouldn't you make a run at it? Why wouldn't you try for a piece of the billions at stake?

The FCS is now a transitional level of NCAA football. Besides UM and MSU, what teams have been around for 30+ years at this level and won national championships? It's mostly directional schools and private schools. Youngstown State won a few but nobody in Ohio takes them seriously. Even the Dakota schools are brand new to FCS, so I'm not convinced they're not just hanging out at the FCS level until they're ready to move up again.

Talk about cut-rate commuter schools all you want, but that's Boise State and Kennesaw State. Yeah, some of them absolutely don't belong, but does Idaho State? They aren't a commuter school but they'd get crushed by most of the new programs transitioning into FCS. So what's the metric that disqualifies somebody from going FCS? Enrollment? Quality of football? Having a city in your name? Being a directional school? I don't know the answer, but I'm mostly with you. It sucks that those are the schools MSU is competing with.

The FCS is the fast lane. You can't stay put. If you're not moving forward, you're moving backward. I never thought I'd be saying this just a couple years ago, but MSU is going to have to work toward transitioning out or get stuck in an irrelevant, transient level of football. It might be good football even, but I'm afraid nobody is going to care about it.

I hear you. Does everyone really need to move up? I tend to associate big-time college football with big-time universities. A directional or commuter school isn't that.

However if what you say is true; then MSU should also move up - both because we'd compete and because there's little left of the FCS worth playing. Our program has grown an matured, regularly playing schools that can't attract three thousand fans or have a track around their football field isn't in keeping with where we are as a football program and as an institution of higher learning.